Ed DunhamAdministrator
(Former Meteorologist & CFHC Forum Moderator (Ed Passed Away on May 14, 2017))
Sun Jan 13 2008 01:11 PM
Initial Outlook for the 2008 Season

It is time once again to take a look at expectations for tropical cyclone activity in the Atlantic basin for 2008. I'll start with an excerpt from an article in the CFHC Hurricane Ask/Tell Forum that I posted last year:

"Definitions / Number of Events / Percentage:
ENSO Neutral: SST anomaly from -0.5C to +0.5C (33 seasons since 1950) 58%
Moderate El Nino: +0.6 to +0.9 (10 seasons) 18%
Strong El Nino: +1.0 or greater (2 seasons) 3%
Moderate La Nina: -0.6 to -0.9 (8 seasons) 14%
Strong La Nina: -1.0 or greater (4 seasons) 7%
Low activity: 8 named storms or less (20 seasons) 35%
Normal activity: 9 to 13 named storms (27 seasons) 47%
High activity: 14 named storms or more (10 seasons) 18%

The Region 3.4 SST pre-season aggregate average anomaly period: May/June/July. The strongest El Nino pre-season average anomaly for this period was +1.4C in 1997. The strongest La Nina pre-season average anomaly for this period was -1.2C in 1950 and 1988 (under a revised tabulation method, NCEP now records 1988 as -1.3C for M/J/J).

Moderate pre-season La Nina vs season totals:
2 low activity seasons / 25%
5 normal activity seasons / 63%
1 high activity season / 12%

Strong pre-season La Nina vs season totals:
no low activity seasons
4 normal activity seasons / 100%
no high activity seasons

When the M/J/J average SST anomaly is +0.6C or greater, 92% of the time the season storm total will be 8 named storms or less. When that average is -0.6C or greater, 92% of the time the season storm total will be 13 named storms or less (and 75% of the time the season storm total will be 9 to 13 named storms, i.e., a normal season. Note that a normal season, because of the increased activity since 1995, is now 11 named storms. Added: Since the start of the satellite era, the past 43 seasons in the Atlantic basin have averaged 11 named storms of which 6 became hurricanes and 2 of those became major hurricanes with sustained winds of at least 111mph.) A strong pre-season La Nina has never resulted in a high activity storm season. Ninety percent of high activity seasons occur under ENSO neutral pre-season conditions."

The latest NCEP 6-Month SST Forecast calls for the strong La Nina currently in place in the eastern Pacific to continue (although weakening) through the aggregate pre-season anomaly period of May/June/July with an anticipated value of about -1.0C. The forecast indicates slightly above normal SST anomalies for the Gulf of Mexico and for the area off the west coast of Africa with slightly below normal sea surface temperature anomalies for the central tropical North Atlantic ocean.

Based on ENSO Climatology, the best analog years (in priority order), with the storm totals for those years, seem to be 1971 (13/6/1), 1985 (11/7/3), 1950 (13/11/8), 1974 (11/4/2) and 1999 (12/8/5). These years were selected because they had a strong winter La Nina (generally declining or holding steady) often with an El Nino in the previous year and a pre-season SST anomaly of at least -0.6C. From the tables above, there were 12 years with either a moderate or strong pre-season La Nina and only once did these early season conditions produce a high activity season of 14 or more named storms.

The initial outlook from CSU is for 13/7/3 and from TSR its 15/8/4. If the SST anomalies hold as forecast (or are at least close to what actually happens), my initial outlook is for 12 named storms of which 7 will be hurricanes and 3 of these will be major hurricanes. Confidence level for this forecast is high.

Major threat areas for the United States based on the analog years would suggest the Gulf coast from Louisiana to Florida, and the east coast areas of Florida, eastern North Carolina and southern New England. With regard to timeframe, I anticipate a normal season with 3 storms in August, 5 storms in September and 4 storms in October. Probably a good number of Cape Verde tropical waves during the season, but with the prospect of a cooler than normal central Atlantic, I suspect that many of them will not develop much until they travel west of 55W Longitude.

Now its your turn. If you wish, post your own totals for the upcoming season in this thread. Rationale is not required, although your thoughts are always welcomed. We'll summarize at the end of the year and see how close we came to the actuals.
Cheers,
ED


Storm Cooper
(User)
Sun Jan 13 2008 05:55 PM
Re: Initial Outlook for the 2008 Season

13 / 6 / 3

Myles
(Weather Hobbyist)
Sun Jan 13 2008 06:59 PM
Re: Initial Outlook for the 2008 Season

15/6/3 I'm thinking those pesky early/late sub-tropical storms will put the named storms pretty high, but nothing too ridiculous as far as hurricanes go.

NewWatcher
(Storm Tracker)
Mon Jan 14 2008 01:13 PM
Re: Initial Outlook for the 2008 Season

14/8/4 with more landfalls in the U.S. this year, unfortunately.

B.C.Francis
(Storm Tracker)
Tue Jan 15 2008 02:49 PM
Re: Initial Outlook for the 2008 Season

15/7/4

EMS
(Weather Hobbyist)
Tue Jan 15 2008 09:01 PM
Re: Initial Outlook for the 2008 Season

I am going with 19/7/3. Increased rise in SSTs and La Nina lead to more storms, but number reaching hurricanes stays near average due to wind shear and African dust.

mrcorkdork800
(Registered User)
Tue Jan 15 2008 11:17 PM
Re: Initial Outlook for the 2008 Season

16/8/5

allan
(Weather Master)
Wed Jan 16 2008 02:33 PM
Re: Initial Outlook for the 2008 Season

17/6/4 ...
personally I think we'll have a much active season for the USA.


clyde w.
(Storm Tracker)
Fri Jan 25 2008 05:18 PM
Re: Initial Outlook for the 2008 Season

14/6/4

doug
(Weather Analyst)
Fri Feb 01 2008 11:50 AM
Re: Initial Outlook for the 2008 Season

12/7/4 (average of the analogs)

saluki
(Weather Hobbyist)
Fri Feb 01 2008 02:00 PM
Re: Initial Outlook for the 2008 Season

I'll stay close to the consensus: 13/6/4

Hurricane29
(Weather Guru)
Fri Feb 01 2008 08:49 PM
Re: Initial Outlook for the 2008 Season

I'll go with 13/7/4

Remember folks numbers in any given season are not of importance.....It only takes one over your community to do the damage.


Cat 5orBust
(Weather Hobbyist)
Sat Feb 16 2008 02:36 PM
Re: Initial Outlook for the 2008 Season

my wild guess for this season is going to be 13/5/2....... i am going to say that there wont be anything majorly destructive this season, but i think the u.s. landfalls will be a fairly high number with most of them being tropical storms or minimal hurricanes.

Unregistered User
(Unregistered)
Sat Feb 23 2008 10:04 PM
Re: Initial Outlook for the 2008 Season

16 / 6 / 4

Storm Hunter
(Veteran Storm Chaser)
Sun Feb 24 2008 02:38 AM
Re: Initial Outlook for the 2008 Season

16/7/3 will update in April... after seeing how La Nina is doin...

ftlaudbob
(Storm Chaser)
Mon Feb 25 2008 02:01 PM
Re: Initial Outlook for the 2008 Season

17/8/4

This has been a really warm winter so far.


Hurricane29
(Weather Guru)
Mon Feb 25 2008 03:59 PM
Re: Initial Outlook for the 2008 Season

Anymore thoughts on the upcoming season as we enter march ED ?

Robert A
(Verified CFHC User)
Mon Feb 25 2008 08:30 PM
Re: Initial Outlook for the 2008 Season

I'll go with my prediction from last year of 17/7/3...and hope I am WAY high.

cieldumort
(Moderator)
Wed Feb 27 2008 02:23 AM
Re: Initial Outlook for the 2008 Season

Seems extremely early still to be putting bets on the table for the 08 season; besides, it "only takes one." I suppose there are actually a few decent signals to be deciphered, nonetheless.

Given the persistent and rather strong La Nina, but with perhaps a trend for warming in the far eastern Pacific, and subsequent enhanced thunderstorm activity there with a few intrusions possible across old Mexico into the western Atlantic, cooler Gulf waters, unfavorably dry mid-long range trends continuing in the south/southeast, I might guess that activity is slow to get going in the GOM and Caribbean.

With that in mind, for now I'll give a nod to the hurricane seasons of '99 and 2000, with some decent tropical wave-inspired action kicking up cyclones from the Cape Verdes to the central Atlantic, and out to around/near the northern Antilles, with perhaps somewhat suppressed cyclogenesis west of there, overall.

13/8/3


Bloodstar
(Moderator)
Mon Mar 03 2008 06:01 PM
Re: Initial Outlook for the 2008 Season

I still think we're in an active era
Tropical Depressions: 19
Tropical Storms: 17
Hurricanes: 10
Major Hurricanes: 6



jessiej
(Weather Watcher)
Mon Mar 03 2008 08:33 PM
Re: Initial Outlook for the 2008 Season

18/6/4

Psyber
(Storm Tracker)
Fri Mar 07 2008 12:47 PM
Re: Initial Outlook for the 2008 Season

Time to check the bearfat to see which way the fat molecules have alligned themslves...and the chicken bones to see what kind of juju the god of wind is up to...

14/7/4

slightly more than normal but from I agree with Ed's forcast and do not see much happening this year. Lets hope for another boring year.


M.A.
(Weather Guru)
Sun Mar 16 2008 02:53 PM
Re: Initial Outlook for the 2008 Season

14/5/1

Hoping for an uneventful season.


HURRICANELONNY
(Weather Guru)
Sun Mar 16 2008 05:58 PM
Re: Initial Outlook for the 2008 Season

19/12/5. Reason is La Nina will be almost over. The lasting effects of a La Nina will be felt during the heart of the season. SST's are looking pretty healthy right now. Shear should be lighter then last and the SAL should be lighter then last year. Let's see what happens and I hope I'm wrong. I was last year.

HanKFranK
(User)
Sun Mar 16 2008 07:45 PM
Re: Initial Outlook for the 2008 Season

15/8/5. A waning La Nina... seen this before. Probably start our real slow (maybe something real early, then nothing til mid-August), and then when the usual bunch starts calling the season a bust, we'll get started for real. Think the trend of out-of-season late activity will keep up this season. Not going to speculate on actual strikes, because the two seasons can have identical activity but totally different results dependent on how the longwave pattern is set up in the late summer/early fall. And maybe I picked 15 because some part of my psyche still dreads seeing Paloma out there. But Omar, Omar is okay. There's a little seven years ago reference for you old timers.
See ya'll for real in June, if I don't get carried off to Oz first.
HF 0045z17march


Tak
(Weather Watcher)
Sat Mar 22 2008 05:58 AM
Re: Initial Outlook for the 2008 Season

14-8-4 but maybe we'll get lucky with less.

Unregistered User
(Unregistered)
Wed Mar 26 2008 11:20 PM
Re: Initial Outlook for the 2008 Season

Post deleted. Inputs in this thread limited to seasonal predictions and rationale (if any).
ED


Unregistered User
(Unregistered)
Thu Mar 27 2008 04:32 PM
Re: Initial Outlook for the 2008 Season

19/7/3 I think this is going to be an active season and even U.S landfall.

typhoon_tip
(Meteorologist)
Mon Mar 31 2008 11:28 PM
Re: Initial Outlook for the 2008 Season

Ed,
Nice, clear, concise linear statistical break-down and very useful as a platform from which to base one's forecast.

The only thing I would build upon that platform is consideration for the Atlantic Multidecadal Oscillation, and the Quasi-Biennial Oscillation phase states, which both have an apparent "split" correlation with the frequency of intense Atlantic Basin hurricane.

This may be important to some individuals looking at this information more discretely.

1) During warm phases of the AMO, the number of major hurricanes is significantly greater than during cool phases. The AMO flipped into its warm phase ~ in the mid 1990s, and since we have observed major hurricanes (111mph+) occurring with greater frequency. Thus, there could conceivably arise a small issue in the construction of the aggregate time series as they pertain to the analog years in question:
1971 (13/6/1), 1985 (11/7/3), 1950 (13/11/8), 1974 (11/4/2) and 1999 (12/8/5); relative to the current warmer AMO phase state. The reason for this is because during the period of the 1970s through ~ the mid 1990s, the cool phase of the AMO was in place; therefore, a potential error in interpretation in less than an a-priori analysis, exists.

A potential counter-point to the above paragraph, however, is the very fact that you mentioned; there has been an apparent recent cooling of the Atlantic tropical SSTs - showing rather pervasive, albeit weak, negative anomalies stretching between 80 and 45W by ~ 30N. We shall have to see if these modest cool signals withstand the higher solar irradiance interval of April 15 - June 1. My hunch is they do not and we see a bit of progression into the +AMO resume, which is heavily statistically favored in the background.

2) The QBO is a strong motivator on the variations in the amount of vertical wind shear between the upper troposphere and the lower stratosphere over the hurricane genesis regions of the Atlantic Basin. Moreover, the QBO has a very regular oscillatory periodicity, such that successful long range extrapolations of the mean stratospheric zonal wind anomalies can be made with greater than average accuracy for atmospheric phenomenon; and because there is a downward (loss of altitude) propagation of the stream, it begins to effect positively or negatively upon the upper tropospheric critical levels for those QBO events that time accordingly.

A brief primer for those who have not yet learned:
An east QBO phase (typically lasting 12 to 15 months) forces strong easterly winds in the lower stratosphere/upper troposphere over the TC genesis regions of the central Atlantic and Caribbean; this is a positive shear domain. The opposite is true for west QBO phase states. Weak easterly winds and negative shear domains pervade the TC genesis regions.

C/O Dr. William Gray, et al; Colorado State Univeristy
"Years of west QBO phases typically have 50% more named storms, 60% more hurricanes, and 200% more intense hurricanes than occur in east QBO phases within the Atlantic basin."

Here are the measured QBO values - per monthly - since 1990:
1990 -8.71 -6.74 0.95 +5.72 11.46 12.90 12.54 12.63 13.21 12.39 11.55 10.68
1991 8.71 8.44 9.00 10.69 3.82 -3.34 -10.36 -14.69 -13.96 -12.21 -12.27 -12.68
1992 -13.96 -14.33 -16.84 -17.79 -15.96 -15.34 -12.05 -4.75 1.30 3.94 6.33 8.19
1993 9.63 10.81 11.36 12.60 13.56 6.55 0.38 -1.20 -1.14 -4.04 -5.76 -6.00
1994 -7.64 -9.84 -11.29 -14.71 -18.03 -23.09 -28.65 -27.02 -19.07 -10.29 -0.30 5.93
1995 8.38 8.01 8.79 11.79 14.92 15.62 11.74 9.53 6.98 3.43 -0.77 -4.57
1996 -5.79 -6.90 -9.92 -11.08 -14.88 -17.03 -23.93 -25.85 -26.02 -23.40 -18.08 -9.86
1997 -3.57 1.94 4.77 9.74 12.37 14.50 14.85 11.69 11.64 9.91 5.74 0.78
1998 -0.85 -2.96 -4.92 -7.82 -14.08 -18.57 -22.97 -24.70 -22.12 -18.77 -12.22 -3.96
1999 3.09 5.84 8.59 13.51 15.56 15.23 14.11 11.91 11.18 10.62 6.01 6.43
2000 4.85 4.20 5.51 3.98 -0.99 -7.83 -13.13 -15.31 -15.52 -14.04 -15.07 -14.56
2001 -15.69 -15.53 -15.99 -17.73 -20.99 -23.31 -24.45 -21.67 -14.29 -10.81 -3.88 1.48
2002 4.64 8.00 9.32 14.03 14.16 13.26 10.05 10.60 8.90 7.66 4.46 -0.50
2003 -1.39 -1.44 -3.30 -8.57 -13.94 -18.01 -22.99 -24.64 -22.51 -20.34 -17.86 -11.38
2004 -4.84 2.61 5.45 10.46 12.97 11.75 9.96 8.82 7.22 7.84 4.41 2.27
2005 -0.45 -0.88 0.06 -6.64 -15.09 -20.59 -24.20 -25.87 -27.80 -28.76 -29.55 -25.04
2006 -18.83 -11.24 -0.38 5.00 10.36 11.47 10.75 9.10 10.20 10.86 10.10 6.21
2007 2.61 2.43 1.24 -5.18 -14.07 -21.34 -24.93 -27.41 -28.14 -29.05 -27.61 -19.48
2008 -12.43 -4.70

This elucidates rather nicely the very regular periodicity that exist between the negative and positive phases of the QBO. This allows for a higher degree of extended lead predictability of the QBO, based on past performance. What is interesting about this is that January and February are indicating a rising QBO modality, which said predictive measure strongly argues for a continuance and probable rise into positive phase states this March/April...and onward into summer.

*The QBO method may be more important for Cape Verdi systems. My own findings seem to suggest that activity in the Bahamas-Gulf-western Caribbean triangulate seems to have a separate statistical correlation to the QBO than intercontinental trafficking region. Why this is - a case for further study.

Conclusion:
The inclusion of the QBO factor, combined with the positively differentiated AMO, may actually argue for an increased frequency than the linear method would suggest. How much is a fantastically uncertain question, but my prediction is that we will see perhaps ~4 more per category than those predictions you leveled; which isn't too drastically different. 17/12/7 (2 category 5 storms).

There is no statistical derivation from the Sahal soil moisture in this analysis.


madmumbler
(Storm Tracker)
Wed Apr 02 2008 06:06 PM
Re: Initial Outlook for the 2008 Season

I'm going with 13 / 7 / 3 for my numbers.

beachcrafts
(Registered User)
Fri Apr 04 2008 11:32 AM
Re: Initial Outlook for the 2008 Season

newbie here

14/8/3


Hurricane29
(Weather Guru)
Sat Apr 05 2008 10:28 AM
Re: Initial Outlook for the 2008 Season

ED can you please give us an update on how you see the 08 season developing as we are now 2 months from the start of the season.Thanks

(For all: Just a reminder to use the PM capability for personal messages.)


Ed DunhamAdministrator
(Former Meteorologist & CFHC Forum Moderator (Ed Passed Away on May 14, 2017))
Sun Apr 06 2008 11:17 AM
Re: Initial Outlook for the 2008 Season

SST outlooks for ENSO region 3.4 continue to suggest a rather strong La Nina persisting through October. The average May/June/July anomaly is expected to be about -1.3C - which is a bit stronger than the previous projection of -1.0C. This would put 2008 on par with 1988 as one of the strongest pre-season (M/J/J) La Nina events ever recorded.

SST forecasts for July/August/September continue to anticipate a strong La Nina of at least -1.0C with Atlantic SSTs running slightly below normal during this same period for the entire north Atlantic tropical basin - except for a slightly above normal area off the west coast of Africa. A high activity season (14 or more named storms) would be a most unusual event under these conditions.

The analog years have been adjusted a bit, but not much. In order of precedence the best analog years seem to be:

1971: 13/6/1
1999: 12/8/5
1974: 11/4/2
1950: 13/11/8

No change from my earlier forecast of 12/7/3. Also no change in my previously anticipated threat areas.

I'll keep this thread open through May 31st for those of you who might still wish to include or revise your own forecasts for the 2008 season. Include your rational if you wish, however it is not required.
Cheers,
ED


DMFischer
(Weather Hobbyist)
Mon Apr 07 2008 11:36 AM
Re: Initial Outlook for the 2008 Season

I will say this year 15/11/6 and it would be one of those times I would not mind being wrong.

rmbjoe1954
(Weather Master)
Wed Apr 09 2008 01:26 PM
Re: Initial Outlook for the 2008 Season

Hello all! My prediciton for 2008 is 15/7/4

The reason for my prediction is that La Nina may pose a problem as the latter part of the season gets underway with no cooling trends in the offing.


doug
(Weather Analyst)
Thu Apr 10 2008 03:39 PM
Re: Initial Outlook for the 2008 Season

Looks like both Colorado State and Tropical Storm Risk are very close in their projections which roughly average out to 15/8/4 each.
They are usually close on the total number of storms. Last year they were off as were most of us on hurricanes and intense storms.


Storm Hobbyist
(Registered User)
Sun Apr 13 2008 02:00 PM
Re: Initial Outlook for the 2008 Season

Newb prediction here: 16/7/4

Hopefully I'm wrong, though...


leetdan
(Weather Guru)
Tue Apr 22 2008 11:15 AM
Re: Initial Outlook for the 2008 Season

14 / 6 / 2

Ed DunhamAdministrator
(Former Meteorologist & CFHC Forum Moderator (Ed Passed Away on May 14, 2017))
Tue Apr 22 2008 07:38 PM
Re: Initial Outlook for the 2008 Season

Recent trends in the forecasts indicate that the May/June/July average ENSO SST anomalies are not going to be anything close to the previous outlooks, with a current strong La Nina slowly evolving into a neutral state or even a weak El Nino by the end of the hurricane season. The M/J/J average ENSO Region 3.4 anomaly now looks more like -0.6C - quite a change from the earlier forecast of about -1.3C. Although the La Nina six month forecast is now hinting at a slight intensification (cooling) during May and June, a warming again occurs over the next three months (July - September). The Gulf of Mexico forecast is still expected to be slightly below normal from June through September, however, the northern tropical Atlantic is now expected to be slightly above normal - especially during July and August. While the details of a particular month may be insignificant, the trend is still worth monitoring over the next couple of months.

These new trends suggested that it was time to revisit SST climatology to determine analog years that had similar trends and values. 1999 was dropped from the analog list because in that year the La Nina actually restrengthened during the season. That recooling could certainly happen this year but right now that doesn't seem to be a likely scenario. With the anticipation of a less significant pre-season La Nina, a few other years were added to the analog list. In priority order, here is the restructured list of analog years for this season:

1985 - 11/7/3 (quite similar to the current and expected pattern)
1974 - 11/4/2 (similar)
2000 - 15/8/3 (2008 not expected to be quite as weak as 2000)
1971 - 13/6/1 (2008 not expected to increase like 1971)
1950 - 13/11/8 (2008 overall La Nina not as strong as 1950)
1989 - 11/7/2 (strength and flow pattern not likely to be similar)

It is worth noting that in 1985 there were 7 hurricanes - and 6 of them made landfall in the United States. The high risk forecast by CSU et al for U.S. hurricane landfall this season seems to be realistic. The analogs still don't suggest a hyperactive season, but they do suggest the possibility of a more dangerous one. No change from my earlier outlook for 12/7/3.
ED


Hurricane29
(Weather Guru)
Tue Apr 22 2008 08:26 PM
Re: Initial Outlook for the 2008 Season

(Post deleted. The PM capability should have been used. Only seasonal forecast numbers (and rationale if any) should be posted in this thread.)

Doombot!
(Weather Guru)
Thu May 22 2008 04:30 PM
Re: Initial Outlook for the 2008 Season

14/7/4

Lamar-Plant City
(Storm Tracker)
Fri May 23 2008 10:10 PM
Re: Initial Outlook for the 2008 Season

Didn't do too well at this last year as my first try. This year I am going a bit consevative considering the trend of the past 2 years. How about 15/6/2.
That and $3.75 will get you a Frappacino at Starbucks!!


Ed DunhamAdministrator
(Former Meteorologist & CFHC Forum Moderator (Ed Passed Away on May 14, 2017))
Sat May 24 2008 12:57 AM
Re: Initial Outlook for the 2008 Season

Just a reminder that this thread will remain open for another week for those of you that still might want to include your own forecast for the season or revise a previously posted forecast.
Cheers,
ED


allan
(Weather Master)
Sat May 24 2008 01:45 PM
Re: Initial Outlook for the 2008 Season

17 storms, 9 hurricanes, and 4 major hurricanes

Clark
(Meteorologist)
Sat May 24 2008 10:02 PM
Re: Initial Outlook for the 2008 Season

Complete guess, as long-range stuff is not my forte:

13/8/4


scottsvb
(Weather Master)
Sun May 25 2008 02:49 AM
Re: Initial Outlook for the 2008 Season

Guesscasting time.. mine is 15-7-4

cieldumort
(Moderator)
Sun May 25 2008 06:32 PM
Re: Initial Outlook for the 2008 Season

Greetings & Salutations

I've been loathe to change my original expectation of 13/8/3, but Clark sets the example for me in conceding that long range stuff isn't my thing, either, and if he can concede that, surely this armchair hurricane season prognosticator can.

The following is wordy, and I'm mostly talking to myself as I write this -- talking out my logic --

I have found that my original reasoning back in February no longer applies as well, as La Nina has been easing up a good deal faster than most anticipated, and certainly much quicker than CPC's official forecast, itself.

Additionally, it now appears that a significant monsoon trough is trying to set up over and either side of central America. As mentioned elsewhere on Flhurricane, several models are already sniffing this out for enhanced early-season cyclogenesis in both the Caribbean-SW GOM, and far eastern Pacific...

And we are seeing upward pulses in the MJO over this region.

These could flip on its head my earlier sense that the region west of the Antilles would be slow to get going.

Over to the eastern Atlantic, the northern Saharan region has been quite dry. On one hand, some resulting extra heat and wind may scoot waves farther along without dying out than had this not been the case, but on the other, there might just be enough extra dust floating off to subdue more frequent development out in the farther central-eastern Atlantic than I initially thought... However, this may be more than offset by anomalously high precipitation falling over a region bounded by 10N and 25N over western Africa.

Also of note, the ECMWF forecast
is calling for statistically significant lower pressures over much of the central & eastern Atlantic, as well as much of the southwestern GOM, for the season...

as well as neutral ENSO during the important July-Aug-Sept period, which suggest that La Nina's influence on the heart of the season may be very weak or essentially gone by Aug-October.

Lacking the skills to really make a case one way or the other, based on the above and prior experience, I am tweaking my February guesstimate from 13/8/3 to 16/8/4... with action now much more possible than I earlier thought, in the area western Atl.... in the Caribbean & into the GOM.. and greater chances for waves to become named storms while crossing just about anywhere in the entire length of the Atlantic.

I would guess for a higher number of named storms becoming hurricanes if I had a better sense that overall shear would be much lower and/or the QBO phase was going to be more conducive.

--Now watch as I eat crow and wish I kept with my February numbers!


Hootie Hoo
(Registered User)
Mon May 26 2008 02:11 AM
Re: Initial Outlook for the 2008 Season

15/8/4 for me.

As we are less than a week away from the 2008 Atlantic Hurricane Season, I want to take this opportunity to wish everone in the great State of Florida the best. May you have NO hurricanes, yet have enough rain to keep your state as beautiul as it is. I had the privilege of coming to Florida (for my first time ever!) to help victims of Hurricanes Charlie, Frances, Ivan and Jeanne in 2005, and I fell in love with your state. Warm and wonderful people. You treated us (Texans) with great respect and awesome hospitality. Be safe and prepared everyone! And thanks for the great knowlege you all share on this site. We'll be watching all season!


Ed DunhamAdministrator
(Former Meteorologist & CFHC Forum Moderator (Ed Passed Away on May 14, 2017))
Mon May 26 2008 08:17 PM
Re: Initial Outlook for the 2008 Season

Cieldumort 's post caught my attention and prompted a revisit of the latest 6-month SST forecasts. The rapid change in forecast ENSO SST anomalies continues. The current forecast would imply about a -0.4C Region 3.4 anomaly, but given the trend toward a rapid decline in the existing La Nina, the reality forecast is probably more like -0.2C for the May/June/July average anomaly.

This meant that the analog years should be revisited - and what a change there as well. I could not find a significantly similar analog year that was a true good match for what has happened in the ENSO region this year, but the following years are best selections in priority order:

2001 - 15/9/4 - not as cold at start of year, but realistic for end of year.
1976 - 10/6/2 - probably too warm at end of year
1951 - 10/8/2 - not as cold at start of year
1989 - 11/7/2 - Remained cooler than currently expected during the season

Based on the above, my first thought was to leave my earlier forecast of 12/7/3 intact, but with deference to 2001 I've upped my totals slightly to 13/8/3.
Cheers,
ED


MikeCAdministrator
(Admin)
Tue May 27 2008 10:43 AM
Re: Initial Outlook for the 2008 Season

14/7/2

ftlaudbob
(Storm Chaser)
Tue May 27 2008 03:28 PM
Re: Initial Outlook for the 2008 Season

17/9/5

Unregistered User
(Unregistered)
Tue May 27 2008 06:51 PM
Re: Initial Outlook for the 2008 Season

12 / 6 / 3

Ed in Va
(Weather Master)
Tue May 27 2008 07:37 PM
Re: Initial Outlook for the 2008 Season

14/7/4

I'm in the process of buying property in the Outer Banks, so I hope I'm wrong.


GlenJohnson
(Weather Hobbyist)
Wed May 28 2008 07:49 AM
Re: Initial Outlook for the 2008 Season

My first shot at this, so don't hold my feet to the fire. Seems we've been lucky for the past couple years, (Knock on wood), but I'm going for 18/6/3. Good luck, gang, we'll see shortly. (After 3 years, I still love the Sunshine state.)

MichaelA
(Weather Analyst)
Wed May 28 2008 12:05 PM
Re: Initial Outlook for the 2008 Season

I'm going to go middle of the road here: 15/6/3 and hope for the best - all fish spinners.

HCW
(Storm Tracker)
Sat May 31 2008 02:58 PM
Re: Initial Outlook for the 2008 Season

19/9/5

Texas and NC are my high risk areas


Ed DunhamAdministrator
(Former Meteorologist & CFHC Forum Moderator (Ed Passed Away on May 14, 2017))
Fri Jun 06 2008 01:10 PM
Outlook for the 2008 Season - June Update

Just an FYI:

CSU June Update unchanged at 15/8/4

TSR June Update lowered to 14/8/3



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