MikeC
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Tue Aug 23 2005 06:44 PM
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Skeetobite Maps
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With TD#12/Katrina Skeetobite is trying out a few new features with maps. What do you like, what do you think is missing, what don't you like. About any of the Skeetobite maps around this site.
Especially the new track map now on the main page.
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Re: Skeetobite Maps
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Great Map! Very helpful!
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danielw
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Tue Aug 23 2005 06:58 PM
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Re: Skeetobite Maps
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Tracking map was the First Thing I noticed when I brought the site up.
Awesome Guys, just awesome!!
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DebbiePSL
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Tue Aug 23 2005 07:16 PM
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Re: Skeetobite Maps
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As always Skeetobites Maps are awesome. 
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Re: Skeetobite Maps
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They are very well designed and easy to read. Very professional looking. I can't say I can think of anything really needed right now.
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Pamie
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Tue Aug 23 2005 08:12 PM
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Re: Skeetobite Maps
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The map is great !!!
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Re: Skeetobite Maps
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Love em. Skeeto, you are the man.
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Unregistered User
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Tue Aug 23 2005 08:58 PM
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Re: Skeetobite Maps
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Love it! Very detailed.
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Girlnascar
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Tue Aug 23 2005 10:00 PM
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Re: Skeetobite Maps
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Excellent! Excellent!! Very clean and clear to the point. Thanks!
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SkeetoBite
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(Master of Maps)
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Tue Aug 23 2005 10:31 PM
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Re: Skeetobite Maps
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Thanks all for you kind comments. All we have learned about these systems while developing our maps has come from these forums and from the assistance of several meteorologists around the nation.
Many of you may have noticed that our forecast track maps now include the true windfield radii with the forecast plots. We have provided the image below to aid in understanding what these "rings" mean.
According to the National Hurricane Center, an average 75% of the total tropical storm/hurricane is in the northeast quadrant of any given storm. As you view these maps, and the model/track maps provided by the U.S. Navy, you will see that a large portion of the storm is indeed offset to the northeast quadrant as evidenced by the windfield radii drawn on each map. The wind radii depicted in our maps is created using official data provided by the National Hurricane Center.
Please feel free to PM me, or better yet, any professional Meteorologist on this board with questions about the windfields. If I don't have the answer, I'm going to ask one of them anyhow ;-)
Enjoy. We hope you find these maps useful.
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Re: Skeetobite Maps
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like the new tracking maps but please keep doing the landfall maps too. those are great!
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Will
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Wed Aug 24 2005 08:14 AM
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Re: Skeetobite Maps
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Like the new map. Thanks guys.
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Unregistered User
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Wed Aug 24 2005 09:02 AM
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Re: Skeetobite Maps
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I miss the ones posted last summer that had the conical 3D shape applied to regions in finer detail.
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TAZMAN
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Wed Aug 24 2005 09:34 AM
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Re: Skeetobite Maps
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Quote:
like the new tracking maps but please keep doing the landfall maps too. those are great!
Yes please continue as you did last year ! New stuff is also very nice !
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Unregistered User
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Wed Aug 24 2005 10:23 AM
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Re: Skeetobite Maps
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Great Track Map.....THANKS!!!!!!
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Unregistered User
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Wed Aug 24 2005 11:36 AM
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Re: Skeetobite Maps
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Great map. Very helpful 
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fosteraf
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Wed Aug 24 2005 04:12 PM
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Re: Skeetobite Maps
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Like your new maps.
Have 2 suggestions.
Please don't forget to do some of the "cone" maps as you did last year.
And, with Katrina coming ashore in southeastern Florida (??) why do we have a map all the way up to SC/southern GA? We could have a little more detail if the maps zeroed in on the forecast area more.
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SkeetoBite
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(Master of Maps)
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Wed Aug 24 2005 05:56 PM
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Re: Skeetobite Maps
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Quote:
Like your new maps.
Have 2 suggestions.
Please don't forget to do some of the "cone" maps as you did last year.
And, with Katrina coming ashore in southeastern Florida (??) why do we have a map all the way up to SC/southern GA? We could have a little more detail if the maps zeroed in on the forecast area more.
Zoomed landfall maps can be found at SkeetobiteWeather.com and have not yet been made available for use by forum administrators.
The addition of the windfields to these maps was designed to replace the 3D cone affect from last year. Although it is a popular feature, many more asked that it be removed than asked that it stay... Personally, I loved it.
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Unregistered User
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Wed Aug 24 2005 08:55 PM
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Re: Skeetobite Maps
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Keep em coming Skeetobite. All have been helpful - I particularly liked the detailed maps of '04 storms with street level detail of wind fields and found them to be very accurate to conditions here on east coast of central fla. New spaghetti maps are helpful particularly with TD's where NOAA/NHC have yet to publish storm tracks
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tolling
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Wed Aug 24 2005 09:46 PM
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Re: Skeetobite Maps
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I don't know if it was intended, but there seems to be something missing.
I usually locate myself by using Lake Okeechobee 
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SkeetoBite
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(Master of Maps)
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Wed Aug 24 2005 10:22 PM
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Re: Skeetobite Maps
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Quote:
I don't know if it was intended, but there seems to be something missing.
I usually locate myself by using Lake Okeechobee
Fixed. Thanks.
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Unregistered User
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Wed Aug 24 2005 11:42 PM
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Re: Skeetobite Maps
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They are always the best. I use this site especially to see the high quality maps. Thanks and keep it up!
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firestar_1
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Thu Aug 25 2005 07:14 AM
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Re: Skeetobite Maps
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SkeetoBite,
Your maps are awesome!!!! I do not know of any other maps that provide the information and detail that you have been able to put into your maps, while leaving out the clutter. Your maps are easy to view and they allow you to clearly understand the threats to the area's in intrest. Maybe we will someday have the NHC using your maps. 
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Unregistered User
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Thu Aug 25 2005 09:01 AM
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Re: Skeetobite Maps
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Being involved in County Government the map detail is great. It allows you to see what the projected path is on a county by county basis. Most maps are just the state without much detail and you have to guess at the actual areas that may be affected. Please contiune to do this as well as the street level maps. I call those hurricane tracking for "Dummies" it lays it all out there.
Keep up the great work.
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TAZMAN
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Thu Aug 25 2005 10:21 AM
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Re: Skeetobite Maps
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I have to add that the multiple blues and greens are difficult to follow.... maybe a completely different color for each and the NHC in red??? Im definetly not complaing.... maps are much appreciated!
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Clark
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Thu Aug 25 2005 10:26 AM
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Re: Skeetobite Maps
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I love the detail on the maps, particularly county and city for these storms making landfall, but I do feel that the intensity line may be a little misleading. For instance, as of the 5a advisory, the intensity at 4 days is hurricane-strength but at 5 days Katrina is well inland and dissipating; the line, however, shows hurricane conditions along the entire path.
I'm not sure best to remedy this, though. I like the wind swaths more than the cone, but unfortunately the wind swaths aren't available beyond 3 days. There is the NHC's inland wind model, but I'm not sure if they have the equations for that readily available. I'll keep thinking, though.
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SkeetoBite
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(Master of Maps)
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Thu Aug 25 2005 10:55 AM
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Re: Skeetobite Maps
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Quote:
I love the detail on the maps, particularly county and city for these storms making landfall, but I do feel that the intensity line may be a little misleading. For instance, as of the 5a advisory, the intensity at 4 days is hurricane-strength but at 5 days Katrina is well inland and dissipating; the line, however, shows hurricane conditions along the entire path.
I'm not sure best to remedy this, though. I like the wind swaths more than the cone, but unfortunately the wind swaths aren't available beyond 3 days. There is the NHC's inland wind model, but I'm not sure if they have the equations for that readily available. I'll keep thinking, though.
The line color truly gave us fits because the intensity doesn't change until the next forecast plot/intensity provided by the NHC. We debated just using a color coded dot for each plot instead of colorizing the connector line. We'll keep working on this.
We will be working on the inland wind models. Should be much easier to figure out mathematically and programmatically than the wind field forecasts
Thanks for your feedback. It is greatly appreciated.
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SkeetoBite
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(Master of Maps)
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Thu Aug 25 2005 10:59 AM
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Re: Skeetobite Maps
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Quote:
I have to add that the multiple blues and greens are difficult to follow.... maybe a completely different color for each and the NHC in red??? Im definetly not complaing.... maps are much appreciated!
Thanks for your input. At this point, the only colors we are absolutely committed to are the intensity color codes and the logo/header detail. We will continue to adjust the base map colors until we find the best mix. Right now the biggest issue we have is that the base map land color is so close to the tropical storm line, wind field and symbol color that details are easily lost.
Here are the colors we are experimenting with for the close up landfall maps:
Models:
Forecast track:
Thanks again.
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Unregistered User
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Thu Aug 25 2005 11:12 AM
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Re: Skeetobite Maps
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Love the maps but......the main map on the main page chops off the Miami metro area with the Recent News. And since landfall is in that area, it's chopped off too.
Keep up the good work.
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SkeetoBite
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(Master of Maps)
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Thu Aug 25 2005 11:18 AM
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Re: Skeetobite Maps
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Quote:
Love the maps but......the main map on the main page chops off the Miami metro area with the Recent News. And since landfall is in that area, it's chopped off too.
Keep up the good work.
I'm sorry, I don't understand your post. It appears that the map on the main page includes all the detail availbale except a portion of the Keys. Help me understand what you are concerned with and we will take a close look at it.
P.S. - Be sure to refresh your browser as these images keep the same name, but update automatically.
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Re: Skeetobite Maps
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Is there anyway to put two maps up? Say the 5:00am map side by side with the 11am map. That way we could compare the differences in the tracks for each 5 & 11 am/pm advisories.
Just a thought!
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Seahawker
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Thu Aug 25 2005 02:49 PM
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Re: Skeetobite Maps
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The new map is great. If you go to cooridinates and pull up the Google map and zoom in, you can see that it will come ashore in Sea Ranch Lakes and after crossing N. Ocean Dr. it will pass between Chippewa Lane and Winona Lane. The NHC should visit this site. It would make their job so much easier.
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Unregistered User
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Thu Aug 25 2005 02:55 PM
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Re: Skeetobite Maps
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I think the maps are wrong, Katrina is going to make landfall in about 2 hours Max
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Butterbone
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Thu Aug 25 2005 03:23 PM
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Re: Skeetobite Maps
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I think the google overlay map is simply BRILLIANT!
It really gives people the chance to look at the impact level the predicted paths can have.
Especially home owners.
I know I will be coming to flhurricane.com from now on JUST for the google overlay map.
That map is what we have been talking about around the office for months!
Awesome job really outstanding. 
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Unregistered User
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Thu Aug 25 2005 03:35 PM
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Re: Skeetobite Maps
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CLEAN, CLEAR. DON'T LIKE THE BAR OF 'RECENT NEWS' INTRUDING DOWN THE UPPER RIGHT SIDE. LIKE THE OVERLAY OF COUNTY LINES AND KEY CITIES FOR ORIENTATION.
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Unregistered User
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Thu Aug 25 2005 04:09 PM
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Re: Skeetobite Maps
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What would be very cool would be a track map using Google Earth...
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CoalCracker
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Thu Aug 25 2005 08:14 PM
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Re: Skeetobite Maps
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Superb!! Best on the net. Clarity, detail, track, wind radii. county locations, cities, etc. Thanks Skeet for helping make CFHC the most outstanding site on the net.
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Unregistered User
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Thu Aug 25 2005 08:46 PM
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Re: Skeetobite Maps
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the track map is very good, the overlay map is awesome!! /? an isobar map popped up momentarily while overlay map was loading, then i saw no option to view it again, can an isobar overlay be made available?
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MikeC
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Thu Aug 25 2005 09:20 PM
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Re: Skeetobite Maps
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The google map isn't skeeto's (most of it was my coding using some code and ideas from a few others) but it's about as good as that will get for now. Skeet's maps can do a bunch more. But it is another way to view the data. There's a lot of limitaitons with it. If you saw an isobar map, it was probably a cache quirk. There's no option for any of that.
Been trying to play with creating kml files for Google Earth too, but haven't spent too much time with it.
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SkeetoBite
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Thu Aug 25 2005 09:45 PM
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Re: Skeetobite Maps
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The google maps are indeed the fine result of MikeC's efforts. We will have full Google Map and Google Earth capabilites for the forecast and model maps. Our priority now is providing timely and accurate base maps. More to come.
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Unregistered User
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Fri Aug 26 2005 12:27 AM
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Re: Skeetobite Maps
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great maps,very nice progress,been watching over a year!
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Unregistered User
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Fri Aug 26 2005 08:38 AM
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Re: Skeetobite Maps
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Great maps. Easily my favorite site for the latest hurricane info
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Unregistered User
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Fri Aug 26 2005 09:31 AM
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Re: Skeetobite Maps
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Move the "recent news" block off any land mass.
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MikeC
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Fri Aug 26 2005 09:56 AM
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Re: Skeetobite Maps
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Quote:
Move the "recent news" block off any land mass.
You using a low resolution? 800x600? Most of the site is shooting for 1024x768
you can see the front page without the right bar using
http://flhurricane.com/?noright=1 if there is a problem.
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Unregistered User
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Fri Aug 26 2005 10:16 AM
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Re: Skeetobite Maps
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The map is very functional and easy to read. Thanks
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Unregistered User
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Fri Aug 26 2005 10:47 AM
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Re: Skeetobite Maps
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Excellent maps. I have started using these on www.saintsreport.com as part of our storm tracking. The bulk of our fans live in the path of hurricanes, or have family who do.
One thing I did notice was a small error in the BBS code given at skeetobiteweather. Whenever I used it, the linked map would open up to an error. This is an example of coding that is working for me.
Again, thanks for all the hard work in developing these maps. Keep up the good work!
BullDawg @ saintsreport.com
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SkeetoBite
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(Master of Maps)
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Fri Aug 26 2005 11:04 AM
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Re: Skeetobite Maps
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Quote:
Excellent maps. I have started using these on www.saintsreport.com as part of our storm tracking. The bulk of our fans live in the path of hurricanes, or have family who do.
One thing I did notice was a small error in the BBS code given at skeetobiteweather. Whenever I used it, the linked map would open up to an error. This is an example of coding that is working for me.
Again, thanks for all the hard work in developing these maps. Keep up the good work!
BullDawg @ saintsreport.com
In some cases you may need to add an extra space between the" ][img]" tag. See below:
[ url=http://www.skeetobiteweather.com/picservice.asp?t=m&m=12 ] (add a space here)[img]http://www.skeetobiteweather.com/archive/model/AL122005mltsth.gif[/img ][/url ]
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Unregistered User
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Fri Aug 26 2005 12:03 PM
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Re: Skeetobite Maps
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I love your site I just hate where it is going. Here we go again! From the World's Most Beautiful Beaches Panama City Beach.
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Unregistered User
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Fri Aug 26 2005 06:05 PM
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Re: Skeetobite Maps
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Love the Map
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mjminjax
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Fri Aug 26 2005 08:41 PM
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Re: Skeetobite Maps
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Love the maps - flhurricane.com has become my "go-to" site for hurricane info.
A question about the wind radii:
Quote:
According to the National Hurricane Center, an average 75% of the total tropical storm/hurricane is in the northeast quadrant of any given storm. As you view these maps, and the model/track maps provided by the U.S. Navy, you will see that a large portion of the storm is indeed offset to the northeast quadrant as evidenced by the windfield radii drawn on each map. The wind radii depicted in our maps is created using official data provided by the National Hurricane Center.
Is this always true, no matter what the direction of travel for the storm is? It would seem that in the case of a storm traveling directly west making landfall on the east coast (i.e. Katrina in south Florida), the strongest quadrent of the storm (the leading right-hand quadrant along the path of travel) would be in the northWEST quadrant.
But I could be wrong... 
MJM in JAX
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SkeetoBite
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Fri Aug 26 2005 08:54 PM
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Re: Skeetobite Maps
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The NHC is pretty vague in their documention. That's why they say that "generally" 75% of the storm is in the northeast quadrant. Here is an example of a storm traveling northeast and the rule appears to apply... generally...
http://www.skeetobiteweather.com/archive/forecast/AL09200556_lrg.gif
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damejune2
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Fri Aug 26 2005 09:25 PM
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Re: Skeetobite Maps
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Skeeto - I love your maps, in fact, i like them better than the NHC maps! Thanks again!
Damian
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Unregistered User
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Fri Aug 26 2005 09:58 PM
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Re: Skeetobite Maps
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Great Maps-
In the spirit of those who watch the "line" so diligently. Would there/could there be any value in perhaps making the "line" thicker as it approachs land. This could take into consideration "jogs" that the NHC keeps taking the heat for. Just an idea.
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Unregistered User
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Sat Aug 27 2005 04:38 PM
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Re: Skeetobite Maps
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For a coastal resident who wants to draw his on conclusions about risk, the most useful thing on the web is the animated model plots. Great tool!
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Unregistered User
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Sat Aug 27 2005 05:02 PM
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Re: Skeetobite Maps
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I like the map...helpful with hours marked. I would love to see map showing the other weather systems that can influence the streering currents all together in a simple format.
You could also add projected strength hour by hour as well.
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Unregistered User
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Sat Aug 27 2005 05:28 PM
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Re: Skeetobite Maps
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Great Maps. It would be helpful if I could close the menu listing the credits. It covers up Florida and blocks some of the view of the overall map I would like to see.
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mallielu
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Sat Aug 27 2005 06:06 PM
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Re: Skeetobite Maps
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Your map looks great, except for one thing........... Pensacola is not shown. We have had our share of hurricanes, why not show our location?
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Unregistered User
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Sat Aug 27 2005 06:19 PM
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Re: Skeetobite Maps
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It would be helpful if you put a scale on the maps, such as the track map, so that we can tell distances. Preferably miles and kilometres, but if the latter is too hard then just miles would do. Just something simple, like 0--------50--------100.
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Unregistered User
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Sat Aug 27 2005 07:22 PM
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Re: Skeetobite Maps
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Any map that shows county lines are helpful. Most people are instantly familiar with the "shape" of their county and most know where inside the "shape" they live. Good work!
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Tom Watts
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Sat Aug 27 2005 10:02 PM
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G R E A T maps folks. This is the case where a picture is worth a thousand words I really like the way the "loops' present the range of the wind. Gives you a good idea of how wide the storm is.
Keep up the good work please, so I can continue to get a good nights sleep. 
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Sun Aug 28 2005 06:41 AM
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Re: Skeetobite Maps
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Solid maps...much better that NOAA's 'thin black line." One enhancement would be to show the future projected track with days and times rather than showing the position in hours from the present ('12' hours, '24' hours etc. ).
From an information standpoint, this would make it more clear exactly when a storm is going to come ashore. Thanks!
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Sun Aug 28 2005 09:45 AM
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I will echo many other comments already posted. Love the new maps, but miss the conical street level landfall wind distribution maps from last year. Having lived through three of the four storms to hit Florida last year, I can tell you those were very helpful to making decisions about board up and evacuation. It would great to bring those back too.
LJ
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Paulf
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Sun Aug 28 2005 10:19 AM
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With TD#12/Katrina Skeetobite is trying out a few new features with maps. What do you like, what do you think is missing, what don't you like. About any of the Skeetobite maps around this site.
Especially the new track map now on the main page.
And what a Storm to pick for testing!!! These new maps are great, the best yet.
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Unregistered User
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Sun Aug 28 2005 01:45 PM
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I always come to this site when hurricanes are active, I love the new map! lets pray that people are leaving and loss of life will be minimal!
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Unregistered User
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Sun Aug 28 2005 07:28 PM
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Great maps and very informative for making decisions. I only have one request and it's for both flhurricane.com and skeetobiteweather.com, make the maps larger. Most of the computer world uses 1024x768 or larger resolutions. If I did use 800x600 I'd rather have a larger map I had to scroll around to see then a smaller one. Just my 2 cents. Thanks for helping us to stay safe.
Located in the V of South West Florida that was barely missed by Charley, Frances, and Jeanne.
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Sun Aug 28 2005 10:10 PM
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>>Excellent<< maps. Clear, concise, easy to read. Keep up the great work.
Czar
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Mon Aug 29 2005 09:16 AM
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Your maps are great and very detailed keep it up
Is it possible to have it in animation like the start of the hurricane to the predicted end with speeds and velocity
thanks
gideonloock@hotmail.com
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Unregistered User
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Mon Aug 29 2005 10:19 AM
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In that case, the only other thing I liked about last years maps that still apply to this new design is the lighter map coloration that provided for better contrasting. This new map makes it difficult to find coastlines and land definition. The lighter color made it much easier.
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The maps are nice and clean - crisp. I miss the cylinder of hurricane force wind swath. I think it shows the magnitude of possible destruction effectively. I really appreciate how concisely Skeetobite communicates!
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native
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Thu Sep 01 2005 02:33 PM
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Skeeto - I love your work. The maps are easy to read for us lay people and provide excellent and useful information.
I just wish you didn't have so many maps right now!
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love um
last yrs were nice 2 its proably a tie between the 2 if not last yrs by a hair
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Unregistered User
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Mon Sep 19 2005 03:53 PM
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I was going to e-mail a suggestion that a legend be added to the map that describes the wind radii rings. Placing this graphic somewhere on the map page would be helpful.
thanks
JLP
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TDW
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Wed Sep 21 2005 05:23 PM
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These are by far the easiest to understand maps I've seen. The computer model maps are the best.
On the zoomed in land fall maps, a satellite image overlay would give an extra perspective of the land areas.
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Thu Sep 22 2005 06:11 AM
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These are by far the easiest to understand maps I've seen. The computer model maps are the best.
On the zoomed in land fall maps, a satellite image overlay would give an extra perspective of the land areas.
I concur on all counts. I'm showing the maps off to the rest of the 53rd WRS and brief off it daily during the season.
Keep up the good work!!!
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Thu Sep 22 2005 04:36 PM
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As always Skeetobites Maps are awesome. <img src="http://i.flhurricane.com/cyclone/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
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Re: Skeetobite Maps
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Skeetobite:
At http://www.skeetobiteweather.com/history.asp, could you make it accept both GETs and POSTs? It's a bit hard to give people links to specific years without GET method available 
--RC
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hawg92
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Sat Sep 24 2005 12:46 PM
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Many of you may have noticed that our forecast track maps now include the true windfield radii with the forecast plots. We have provided the image below to aid in understanding what these "rings" mean.
I like this feature of your maps, but they are not entirely accurate. Even at this time today, 11:45 am CDT, we are experiencing strong sustained winds in the 20-30 mph range with gusts up to 40-50 mph in the Baton Rouge, LA area.
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SkeetoBite
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Sat Sep 24 2005 04:39 PM
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Quote:
Quote:
Many of you may have noticed that our forecast track maps now include the true windfield radii with the forecast plots. We have provided the image below to aid in understanding what these "rings" mean.
I like this feature of your maps, but they are not entirely accurate. Even at this time today, 11:45 am CDT, we are experiencing strong sustained winds in the 20-30 mph range with gusts up to 40-50 mph in the Baton Rouge, LA area.
The wind radii ploted on these maps is derived from the official forecast data provided by the NHC and NWS. We just make it look awesome (no modesty).
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Mon Oct 17 2005 05:19 PM
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i miss the animated model plots. i found them to be very interesting in suggesting the trends of the different models. could they be added to the very lovely new format?
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Fri Oct 21 2005 12:57 PM
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OUTSTANDING!! You folks deserve great praise for your work. I "Found" Your web page on google and have shared it with my classes (I am a college teacher) and friends in EMS. You da man or woman, depends I guess. -KJensen
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Sun Oct 23 2005 08:32 PM
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great maps. can you zoom in a little?
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