(User)

Mon Aug 29 2005 12:12 PM

Re: Hurricane Katrina Makes Landfall in SE Louisiana as a Category 4 Storm

thanks for the new thread mike...of course she is still a monster, but thank god (for new orleans) that she took a much more northward turn late last night or they would have taken the NE quadrant...of course, the shift east means areas east of NO are now going to take the worst of it...

the worst is still to come too

Random Chaos

(Weather Analyst)

Mon Aug 29 2005 12:18 PM

Tide level - Lake Pontchartrain

--repost from the old thread--

FYI, it appears that the primary tide gauge at NO guage for Lake Pontchartrain has broken. Here's the raw data from the backup gauge:

http://140.90.121.76/cgi-bin/co-ops_qry_...ormat=View+Data

Data in Meters

Source is NOAA CO-OPS

----------------

Just heard on an NBC interview with the Mayor of New Orleans that water is already coming over the levies. This was a quote by the mayor.

NewWatcher

(Storm Tracker)

Mon Aug 29 2005 12:21 PM

Re: Tide level - Lake Pontchartrain

Call me stupid, could you repeat that in english please, What does
that mean exactly?...

(Moderator)

Mon Aug 29 2005 12:25 PM

Re: Tide level - Lake Pontchartrain

NBC is reporting water is seeping in the Superdome.. some layers of the roof have evidently started to peel in one corner.

*ouch*

AmateurJohn

(Weather Watcher)

Mon Aug 29 2005 12:27 PM

Re: Hurricane Katrina Makes Landfall in SE Louisiana as a Category 4 Storm

WAPT in Jackson is streaming it's coverage. The have a reporter doing a live report right now from the SuperDome. He has just reported that something on the roof has given way and water is now coming into the building from the roof. He said people are moving from the stands to more protected areas. The reporter said he is very nervous and has covered storms for many years. He just said he can feel water falling on his head. Like a sprinking now, but getting heavier. It is only in one section of the Dome, but it is very worrying. "People are trying to remain calm. They are trying to make their way from the plaza level to where the concrete reinforced concessions are. The sprinkling is now more like a thunderstorm getting ready to come."

(Senior Storm Chaser)

Mon Aug 29 2005 12:35 PM

Re: Tide level - Lake Pontchartrain

Quote:

New Orleans...water is already coming over the levies.

Yes and the next several hours will be the worst, with the strongest winds blowing water over the levees from Lake Ponchatrain into the city (guess I'm now familliar with the doomsday scenario).

collegemom

(Weather Hobbyist)

Mon Aug 29 2005 12:35 PM

Re: Hurricane Katrina Makes Landfall in SE Louisiana as a Category 4 Storm

I am trying to keep myself calm realizing the worst of the storm is in front of us. We all knew this was going to be very, very serious.

Random Chaos

(Weather Analyst)

Mon Aug 29 2005 12:40 PM

Re: Hurricane Katrina Makes Landfall in SE Louisiana as a Category 4 Storm

Also, a new Vortex Recon as of 30 mins ago.

The eyewall is NOW CLOSED again, and has shrunk to 23 NMs:

049
URNT12 KNHC 291228
VORTEX DATA MESSAGE
A. 29/12:09:50Z
B. 29 deg 33 min N
089 deg 34 min W
C. 700 mb 2420 m
D. NA kt
E. NA deg nm
F. 123 deg 116 kt
G. 34 deg 034 nm
H. 923 mb
I. 10 C/ 3049 m
J. 18 C/ 3053 m
K. 16 C/ NA
L. CLOSED WALL
M. C23
N. 12345/ 7
O. 0.03 / 1 nm
P. AF300 2212A KATRINA OB 10
MAX FL WIND 124 KT SE QUAD 11:07:50 Z
SFC CENTER W/IN 5NM OF FL CENTER
EYE WALL WEAKER TO SOUTH
MAX FL TEMP 19C 270 / 10 NM FROM FL CNTR

Ed in Va

(Weather Master)

Mon Aug 29 2005 12:41 PM

Re: Hurricane Katrina Makes Landfall in SE Louisiana as a Category 4 Storm

WWLTV in NO has a live feed:
http://www.wwltv.com/perl/common/video/wmPlayer.pl?title=beloint_khou&props=livenoad
With the movement to the NE, I wonder it the track will be adjusted at 11. The models now do not show a NE movement until the storm gets into the middle of MS.

(User)

Mon Aug 29 2005 12:43 PM

Re: Hurricane Katrina Makes Landfall in SE Louisiana as a Category 4 Storm

NO mayor ray nagin was just interviewed on msnbc...he has confirmed that the superdome is leaking but that this was to be "expected"...he stated the dome is "structurally sound" but it is expected to be bearing the brunt of 140 mph wind gusts shortly...

lunkerhunter

(Storm Tracker)

Mon Aug 29 2005 12:45 PM

Re: Hurricane Katrina Makes Landfall in SE Louisiana as a Category 4 Storm

Stage Data
Mississippi River At New Orleans, LA (Carrollton)
Corps of Engineers Dock at Mile 102.8 (1962 survey)
Mississippi River Basin
29-56-05 N
90-08-10 W
Records available from JAN 12, 1872 to date at NGVD
+21.27 Feet on Apr 25, 1922
Minus 1.60 Feet on Dec 27, 1872

now at +14.5ft

http://www.mvn.usace.army.mil/cgi-bin/watercontrol.pl?01300

Psyber

(Storm Tracker)

Mon Aug 29 2005 12:45 PM

Re: Tide level - Lake Pontchartrain

People are surprised about the superdome? Lets remember that it's just a skeleton with a thin cover on the top.

Point of note: once the leading edge of the roof is compromised, the roof essentially turns into a big balloon...capturing more and more air as more and more of it tears off...

(Moderator)

Mon Aug 29 2005 12:49 PM

Re: Hurricane Katrina Makes Landfall in SE Louisiana as a Category 4 Storm

WKRG just reported 140 mph gusts in Buras, 113 gusts in Pascagoula and neither have seen the eye yet.

BabyCat

(Weather Guru)

Mon Aug 29 2005 01:03 PM

Re: Hurricane Katrina Makes Landfall in SE Louisiana as a Category 4 Storm

Live report from superdome in NO on ABC

they are being moved to the edges of the dome because the roof may fail.. "Sounds like a waterfall"
Horrible
Says the roof hasn't peeled just bad leaking

(Senior Storm Chaser)

Mon Aug 29 2005 01:03 PM

Re: Hurricane Katrina Makes Landfall in SE Louisiana as a Category 4 Storm

Quote:

WKRG just reported 140 mph gusts in Buras, 113 gusts in Pascagoula and neither have seen the eye yet.

A gust over 100 in Pasco Beach already. Guess my brother is either pretty busy or possibly trying to snatch some sleep before the brunt of the storm hits, because I haven't heard from him since he went on duty last night.

1245Z vis sat image very impressive
From the 8am advis: "the center will be passing just to the east of New Orleans during the next few hours with the worst of the weather for that city occurring over the next couple of hours. The center is expected to move into southern Mississippi later today."

It looks like the weather will be bad for MS Gulf Coast as well the next several hours...and then the storm will arrive.

(User)

Mon Aug 29 2005 01:10 PM

Re: Hurricane Katrina Makes Landfall in SE Louisiana as a Category 4 Storm

i just heard a report (unconfirmed) that the roof tiles are now peeling off the superdome...anyone have any info on this?

also, anyone hear about biloxi conditions?

Rick on boat in Mobile

(Weather Drama Guru)

Mon Aug 29 2005 01:11 PM

new orleans radar

out....pick up using Mobile's

(Weather Watcher)

Mon Aug 29 2005 01:11 PM

Re: Hurricane Katrina Makes Landfall in SE Louisiana as a Category 4 Storm

Quote:

Says the roof hasn't peeled just bad leaking

CNN is reporting that the roof IS peeling.. Interviewing Sen. Landrieu of LA right now... not good...

(Weather Guru)

Mon Aug 29 2005 01:11 PM

Re: Hurricane Katrina Makes Landfall in SE Louisiana as a Category 4 Storm

Quote of the day...from the Fox guy outside the hotel in MS..."Wow...o.k. we're going to go inside now...it's pretty stupid to be out here"

(Senior Storm Chaser)

Mon Aug 29 2005 01:12 PM

Re: Hurricane Katrina Makes Landfall in SE Louisiana as a Category 4 Storm

I just saw a short clip from MSNBC I think of someone about 4mi inland at Biloxi - rain, 60mph sust wind, but it was dark out so obviously not current.

(Weather Master)

Mon Aug 29 2005 01:14 PM

Re: Hurricane Katrina Makes Landfall in SE Louisiana as a Category 4 Storm

http://www.srh.noaa.gov/ridge/lix_N0R_lp.shtml

Takes time to load but has all the tornado warnings and watchs listed with each frame and radar loop.

Winds also down to 135 minamal cat 4 now hope it keeps droping

SkeetoBite Administrator

(Master of Maps)

Mon Aug 29 2005 01:14 PM

Re: Hurricane Katrina Makes Landfall in SE Louisiana as a Category 4 Storm

Quote:

i just heard a report (unconfirmed) that the roof tiles are now peeling off the superdome...anyone have any info on this?

also, anyone hear about biloxi conditions?

Phil,

Watching live stream from WATP Channel 16 (with video inside the dome), reporter from inside states 1/12 of roof is now missing and they are being moved to cover within the structure.

Link to this stream

(Verified CFHC User)

Mon Aug 29 2005 01:15 PM

Re: Hurricane Katrina Makes Landfall in SE Louisiana as a Category 4 Storm

FNC has a subtitle saying "part of Superdome roof in New Orleans blown off".

And they're saying 10,000 people are in there. Last night someone on this site who said they worked with FEMA said there were 36-some-odd-thousand people there. Who is right?

BabyCat

(Weather Guru)

Mon Aug 29 2005 01:15 PM

Re: Hurricane Katrina Makes Landfall in SE Louisiana as a Category 4 Storm

The news caster in there now didn't say this. He said "Lots of leaks coming from everywhere" and moving everyone to the end zones out of their seats.

(Weather Guru)

Mon Aug 29 2005 01:16 PM

Re: Hurricane Katrina Makes Landfall in SE Louisiana as a Category 4 Storm

They are saying water is POURING into the superdome...part of roof blown off...what a nightmare.

(User)

Mon Aug 29 2005 01:17 PM

Re: Hurricane Katrina Makes Landfall in SE Louisiana as a Category 4 Storm

thanks skeet...the next 60-90 minutes will tell the whole story...brian williams from msnbc is INSIDE the dome broadcasting the HOLES in the roof...good god

lunkerhunter

(Storm Tracker)

Mon Aug 29 2005 01:17 PM

Re: Hurricane Katrina Makes Landfall in SE Louisiana as a Category 4 Storm

Skeeto, got a link?

Rasvar

(Weather Master)

Mon Aug 29 2005 01:17 PM

Re: Hurricane Katrina Makes Landfall in SE Louisiana as a Category 4 Storm

I would not be surprised if the roof is peeling. Considering the age and number of roof repairs that have been done. The interior and interior walls will stand up. I doubt the whole roof can be ripped away. Probably lose areas here and there. That place is going to be cramped and uncomfortable. Dark, hot and crowded.

(Weather Hobbyist)

Mon Aug 29 2005 01:18 PM

Re: Tide level - Lake Pontchartrain

Quote:

People are surprised about the superdome?

People were arguing yesterday that it the superdome could handle winds to 200mph so it is a little surprising that it came apart in what I'd guess would be cat1 or cat2 force winds. Really hoping that the baloon effect you describe doesn't materialize.

I'm actually seeing a jog or wobble to the wnw on radar now..

(Moderator)

Mon Aug 29 2005 01:19 PM

Re: Hurricane Katrina Makes Landfall in SE Louisiana as a Category 4 Storm

Phil - NBC reported a 3' x 5' section of roof had peeled off and the sky is visible.. they also said a small lightning rod on top the roof came thru and fell to the field. Someone above reported 1/12th but that has not been confirmed by an onsite reporter.. just a 3' x 5' piece. The integrity of the roof is questioned however as they still expect some heavy winds.

AmateurJohn

(Weather Watcher)

Mon Aug 29 2005 01:20 PM

Re: Tide level - Lake Pontchartrain

Quote:

People are surprised about the superdome?

Seems to me quite the contrary. There have been several posts on here wondering about the integrity of the building's structure.

Watching the tv coverage yesterday, as people were lining up to get inside the SuperDome, I told my wife that I really hoped these people weren't being shepherded into a tomb. I know that most of these people had nowhere else to go. This is more than sad. More than scary.

(Weather Hobbyist)

Mon Aug 29 2005 01:21 PM

Re: Hurricane Katrina Makes Landfall in SE Louisiana as a Category 4 Storm

Fox just had a report from inside the Dome by Video Phone and showed the holes, they looked like 9 foot sections (At least 2 of them)

(User)

Mon Aug 29 2005 01:23 PM

Re: Hurricane Katrina Makes Landfall in SE Louisiana as a Category 4 Storm

Quote:

Phil - NBC reported a 3' x 5' section of roof had peeled off and the sky is visible.. they also said a small lightning rod on top the roof came thru and fell to the field. Someone above reported 1/12th but that has not been confirmed by an onsite reporter.. just a 3' x 5' piece. The integrity of the roof is questioned however as they still expect some heavy winds.

i SAW the video (still) shot with a video camera which brian williams emailed to the station...there is definitely a HOLE in the roof...can't tell (no perspective) how large it is, but daylight is CLEARLY visible

(Weather Hobbyist)

Mon Aug 29 2005 01:23 PM

Re: Tide level - Lake Pontchartrain

The roof it coming off the superdome in 3 places. I cant imagine 30,000 people being hurded around in there like cattle. I have a Conference call with FEMA in 5 mins. will update around 945est

(Verified CFHC User)

Mon Aug 29 2005 01:27 PM

Re: Tide level - Lake Pontchartrain

MSNBC is showing the pics right now.

FNC is interviewing a guy who's saying that only the protective lining has damage, but clearly there are holes.

(Weather Hobbyist)

Mon Aug 29 2005 01:30 PM

Re: Tide level - Lake Pontchartrain

MSNBC is now talking about the possible surge. Shouldnt the worse Storm surge have already happen?

The NE area is overland.

(Senior Storm Chaser)

Mon Aug 29 2005 01:33 PM

Re: Tide level - Lake Pontchartrain

That streaming video station in Jackson just said something that I was noticing earlier...as the strongest part of the eyewall convection comes around it is going to be hitting Slidell. Also about how bad it is going to get on MS Gulf Coast from Bay St. Louis over.

You know it looks like the eye is going to be making landfall around Waveland in only about another half hour.

(Weather Watcher)

Mon Aug 29 2005 01:34 PM

Re: Tide level - Lake Pontchartrain

MSNBC is showing a visual of a 20' storm surge.. The meterologist is on a piece of equipment that keeps getting raised to the roof of the studio. And comparing the level to previous storm surges. It makes a big difference to see it visually... knowing it intellectually is one thing... SEEING it is very different...

unbelievable...

(Weather Hobbyist)

Mon Aug 29 2005 01:36 PM

Re: Tide level - Lake Pontchartrain

Reports of water shooting up out of man holes in downtown N.O. This is the flooding weve been waiting on. water approx 1-2 ft deep on Bourbon St. Sorry still on conference call. Trying to update as the call goes on.

pcola

(Storm Tracker)

Mon Aug 29 2005 01:37 PM

Re: Tide level - Lake Pontchartrain

The worst storm surge for NO is about to take place..the western eyewall will be close and the strongest winds pushing from the north will happen in the next 2 hours...they are not out of the woods yet...also reports locally many casinos flooding in Biloxi

(Weather Hobbyist)

Mon Aug 29 2005 01:38 PM

Re: Tide level - Lake Pontchartrain

A hotel roof has collapsed in Harvey LA. People are reportedly trapped under ruble. Nat. Gaurd has been dispached but will have to wait for break in weather.

jaxmike

(Verified CFHC User)

Mon Aug 29 2005 01:40 PM

Re: Tide level - Lake Pontchartrain

WDSU is reporting that the pumps in New Orleans are not working. Apparently they cannot be worked on until the rain is stopped. Unfortunately nothing can be done about the water in NO right now.

(Weather Hobbyist)

Mon Aug 29 2005 01:41 PM

Re: Tide level - Lake Pontchartrain

Pumps are scheduled to go online at 4:00pm est. They wher

e shut down to avoid damage to them. It may be to late at 4:00pm

Wxwatcher2

(Storm Tracker)

Mon Aug 29 2005 01:42 PM

Re: Tide level - Lake Pontchartrain

CNN reporter in a parking garage in New Orleans said about a foot of water is covering the stree in the are that she is in and that it appears there is oil or some type of contamination floating on top of it.

I'm not surprised at the leak in the roof at the Super Dome. It's a sports stadium and not really designed
as a shelter.

Also reports of people calling authorities along the Gulf Coast and being denied because emergency personnel can not come out in the storm.

(Weather Watcher)

Mon Aug 29 2005 01:44 PM

Re: Tide level - Lake Pontchartrain

reports from Orleans of roofs coming off... damage (On MSNBC) Governor is briefing...reports from coastal parishes indicate flooding, but emergency management cannot go out yet. there is an unconfirmed report of a levee breach in NO...

disastermaster, what are you hearing???

Psyber

(Storm Tracker)

Mon Aug 29 2005 01:48 PM

Re: Tide level - Lake Pontchartrain

They're moving people from the first level of the hospital to the 2nd and 3rd floor.

Don't the pumps for NO need to be running just to maintain regular water levels within the city?

(Weather Hobbyist)

Mon Aug 29 2005 01:51 PM

Re: Tide level - Lake Pontchartrain

Torando Warning now for downtown New Orleans. Homes floodied to the ceilings, Severe Structural Dmages to buildings downtown. Like one reported state "this is hell on earth"

(Moderator)

Mon Aug 29 2005 01:52 PM

Re: Tide level - Lake Pontchartrain

reports of a tornado on the ground in west Mobile county that are tracking off at 85 mph.. can you believe that - a tornado running 85 mph

good gosh

(Weather Guru)

Mon Aug 29 2005 01:54 PM

Re: Tide level - Lake Pontchartrain

Sounds like some of the 'nados that got kicked off by Ivan.

WIth most tornadoes you can hear them coming and dive for shelter. With these you MIGHT have 10 seconds from the time you hear it until it hits you due to their forward speed and the extremely high ambient noise levels from the overriding winds.

Hope everyone's hunkered down and in a safe place over there in Mobile.....

tenavilla

(Weather Hobbyist)

Mon Aug 29 2005 02:06 PM

Re: Tide level - Lake Pontchartrain

A local reporter from NO is being interviewed on Fox, he stated that the pumps are failing on both sides of the river and they are not sure that they will be repaired in time to help with the rainfall, much less the problems with the levees. He also said that there are 10 people trapped in a collapsed apartment building in Harvey, and a woman in eastern NO who is trapped in her attic with her children and they eyewall is passing over now. Apparently she called 911 crying and there was some confusion as to where they were.

(Senior Storm Chaser)

Mon Aug 29 2005 02:07 PM

Re: Tide level - Lake Pontchartrain

Looks like the strong NE eyewall is shortly going to hit the entire MS coastline from the LA/MS border to Mississippi City. With any eastward movement, to Biloxi as well.

(Verified CFHC User)

Mon Aug 29 2005 02:13 PM

Re: Tide level - Lake Pontchartrain

Sheppard Smith is reporting that there has indeed been a levee break. AFAIK he's still hunkered down on Bourbon Street. Is taht right?

(Weather Guru)

Mon Aug 29 2005 02:15 PM

Re: Tide level - Lake Pontchartrain

Confirmed levee break as well..at the French quarter...one of the worst fears confirmed.

ETA...Age you beat me to it..yes he's still down there.

Ryan

(Storm Tracker)

Mon Aug 29 2005 02:21 PM

Superdome

the superdome has been without air conditioning for many hours so far and the roof was beginning to peel off an hour or so ago, there is some leaking inside, which would scare the hundreds of thousands of people inside.

Ryan, please read the other posts in this thread before you post. also, there are approximately 9-10,000 people inside...

(Weather Hobbyist)

Mon Aug 29 2005 02:25 PM

Re: Tide level - Lake Pontchartrain

Sorry ive been on calls. Leeve breaks are confirmed. Reports of cars floating in 4-8 ft of water in parts of N.O. Severe structural damage is wide spread. Water is now piling from the lake side of N.O. now. Not good with the western pumps down. Reported damage to 3 of the 5 western pumps. There are 6 confirmed leeve breeches. The worst of the flooding is occuring now. I'll keep my messages short and to the point.

MadDog

(Weather Hobbyist)

Mon Aug 29 2005 02:25 PM

Re: Superdome

There are not hundreds of thousands in the Super Dome.

native

(Weather Guru)

Mon Aug 29 2005 02:25 PM

Re: Tide level - Lake Pontchartrain

Unconfirmed report from live video feed to NBC news...(they're trying to confirm now):

E. Jefferson Hospital (Jefferson parrish in NO) south side of Lake Ponch. 7 feet of water on first floor

Confirmed: Beaux Rivage casino has water coming in through 2nd floor windows!!

GOD BLESS THEM ALL.

(Admin)

Mon Aug 29 2005 02:25 PM

Re: Tide level - Lake Pontchartrain

Quote:

Confirmed levee break as well..at the French quarter...one of the worst fears confirmed.

ETA...Age you beat me to it..yes he's still down there.

I'm hearing this too from another source. But anyone have any clue as to severity?

BLTizzle

(Verified CFHC User)

Mon Aug 29 2005 02:26 PM

Re: Superdome

there were only an estimated 10,000 people there and the roof damage was only minor....only allowing the equivalent of a mist in there

(Weather Hobbyist)

Mon Aug 29 2005 02:27 PM

Re: Superdome

26.750 people in Super Dome. Even during a Saints home game it only sits 54000 . Hundreds of thousands in not a correct statement.

SEFL

(Registered User)

Mon Aug 29 2005 02:27 PM

Re: Tide level - Lake Pontchartrain

Quote:

Quote:

Confirmed levee break as well..at the French quarter...one of the worst fears confirmed.

ETA...Age you beat me to it..yes he's still down there.

I'm hearing this too from another source. But anyone have any clue as to severity?

Is this really a levee BREAK? or do they really mean a breech? There would be a big difference I think.

(Weather Hobbyist)

Mon Aug 29 2005 02:31 PM

Re: Tide level - Lake Pontchartrain

Break / Breech a Structural leeve would break. Most of the breeches are in the dirt leeves. Extent of flooding is unknown until weather clears.

NewWatcher

(Storm Tracker)

Mon Aug 29 2005 02:33 PM

Re: Tide level - Lake Pontchartrain

Fox says it is a break, with 8 ft. of water all around there.

(Moderator)

Mon Aug 29 2005 02:33 PM

Re: Tide level - Lake Pontchartrain

downtown Mobile is under water.. as much as 12' of water is covering downtown from Mobile Bay.

Reported by WKRG

(Weather Hobbyist)

Mon Aug 29 2005 02:35 PM

Re: Tide level - Lake Pontchartrain

By structural im talking about something that was engineered. like a log leeve in the 1800's. or an engineered concrete leeve/dam now days. Most of the protection for N.O. is in the form of Dirt leeves.

(Senior Storm Chaser)

Mon Aug 29 2005 02:42 PM

Re: Tide level - Lake Pontchartrain

Disastmast, that's awful news to hear. Even if all the pumps were working it sounds like they couldnt't pump as fast as the water is coming in...and there may be no place to pump it.

As the eye wall comes ashore in western coastal MS, reported 100+mph all along coast to Biloxi, 90+ gust in Pascagoula, TS winds in Hattiesburg.

MarcoResi

(Weather Watcher)

Mon Aug 29 2005 02:44 PM

Re: Tide level - Lake Pontchartrain

MOBILE BAY WEB CAM
looks like hell!

http://flhurricane.com/jjohnston/

SEFL

(Registered User)

Mon Aug 29 2005 02:45 PM

Re: Tide level - Lake Pontchartrain

Quote:

By structural im talking about something that was engineered. like a log leeve in the 1800's. or an engineered concrete leeve/dam now days. Most of the protection for N.O. is in the form of Dirt leeves.

Shepard Smith on the phone was reporting from Bourbon Street and said there was no flooding. I saw a visual that said there was a "break" in the levee at Lake Ponchatrain---that I don't believe.

(Weather Hobbyist)

Mon Aug 29 2005 02:46 PM

Re: Tide level - Lake Pontchartrain

Dirt leeves in several area are being breeched (breeches is when water flows over the top of leeve).
Have not heard about any breaks in structural leeves around pump facilitys. Bay-St.Loius is now in the eye.
Bilouxi will feel the eye wall pretty soon. Im waiting on a call from Bathesda Md. regarding flooding estimates up to this point. will update.

(User)

Mon Aug 29 2005 02:48 PM

Re: Tide level - Lake Pontchartrain

just wondering...has anyone heard from frank p? i sent him a pm yesterday with my phone #, but i don't think he ever got it...

at work now, so no tv, but on the radio things sound really bad...any new reports on flooding in NO, biloxi & mobile?

(Weather Watcher)

Mon Aug 29 2005 02:49 PM

Re: Tide level - Lake Pontchartrain

Quote:

Confirmed: Beaux Rivage casino has water coming in through 2nd floor windows!!

GOD BLESS THEM ALL.

For those who don't know... the Beau Rivage is a casino in Biloxi, MS. I am afraid that with all the focus on LA and NO... deserved of course... that people are not completely aware of the slamming that Biloxi is getting.

I've been to the Beau Rivage and other casinos there... Most are on the waterfront and Treasure Bay actually sits on the water...

Wish we had more reports from there...

Also, it is strange to hear SOME reports that Katrina is "only" a CAT 3 now... hmmmm... shows perspective sometimes alters our verbiage... ONLY and CAT3 don't belong together in my book!! <g>

(Weather Hobbyist)

Mon Aug 29 2005 02:51 PM

Re: Tide level - Lake Pontchartrain

Maybe ill just stay off the conference calls with FEMA and watch fox news

Reports are scattered and not all are confirmed.

(Senior Storm Chaser)

Mon Aug 29 2005 02:59 PM

Re: Tide level - Lake Pontchartrain

Looks like my brother in Pascagoula was trying to call me on a land line, it said the number was unavailable, but the connection only lasted a couple seconds and I haven't been able to get him back on his cell. It says all the circuits are busy but that could also mean the cell phone towers down there. They've had a lot of wind.

There hasn't been much info at all about the situation with regards to flooding in Jackson Cty but it sounds like Biloxi got quite a bit of flooding, also the highest rainfall on the coast so far as peaked at Biloxi. I heard Hwy 90 under 7 feet of water.

LoisCane

(Veteran Storm Chaser)

Mon Aug 29 2005 03:01 PM

Re: Tide level - Lake Pontchartrain

Remember that most of the information being given right now is .. subject to change and updates.

Radars are down in New Orleans and Slidell.

Reports of deaths are unconfirmed and reports of confirmed deaths will come in and in like the tide.

Thanks for the coverage here.. watching like everyone on TV on every channel back and forth

Home today because the library where I work STILL DOESNT HAVE ELECTRIC ...4 days after Katrina hit North Miami Beach.

So.... lost more money but.. watching history being made here.
Oh..and school is STILL OUT in Miami Dade where the movie stars danced at the Arena which did have power and showed a picture of Miami that says to places up north.. Come On Down.

Amazing how this hurricane is hitting several states at the same time and readjusting the reality that only Florida gets hit by hurricanes that was prevalent last year.

Hopefully everyone living in any area from Texas to Maine that can be affected by an Atlantic Cane is reading this board carefully and learning how to prepare.. because it can happen anywhere.

Bobbi

(Weather Hobbyist)

Mon Aug 29 2005 03:02 PM

Re: Tide level - Lake Pontchartrain

I have heard the same thing about 90. hwy 90 in gulfport area is partially washed out. 7foot of water and the eye wall is just now getting to bilouxi.

TDW

(Weather Watcher)

Mon Aug 29 2005 03:05 PM

Re: Hurricane Katrina Makes Landfall in SE Louisiana as a Category 4 Storm

Sitting in the dark in very west Mobile, AL (almost to the Mississippi boarder). Only one tree down so far - it landed on my fence that just got fixed from Ivan. Some of my neighbors have lost pieces of roof. I've got water all over in my attic. It seems my ridge vents have failed.

I've only got about 3 hours of battery time let. I had forgotten how painfully slow dialup was.

(Senior Storm Chaser)

Mon Aug 29 2005 03:07 PM

Re: Tide level - Lake Pontchartrain

Pascagoula has frequent wind gusts 70-90mph right now. Gusts in the 60s in MOB, 120-125 Gulfport-Biloxi.

royener

(Verified CFHC User)

Mon Aug 29 2005 03:11 PM

Re: Tide level - Lake Pontchartrain

The biggest worry with the dirt levees being breeched/ broken is that erosion then takes over exacerbating the damage ten fold, and unless there is a large team with the necesarry equipment the whole lot could be washed away

(Weather Guru)

Mon Aug 29 2005 03:11 PM

Re: Tide level - Lake Pontchartrain

Shephard Smith reporting listening to emergency radios & reports of people on their roofs ????? because the flooding in their homes is so bad...lesser of 2 evils? Couldn't imagine.

Officals did confirm a levee on the lake did break...expect flooding south of the French Quarter.

(Weather Hobbyist)

Mon Aug 29 2005 03:15 PM

Re: Tide level - Lake Pontchartrain

Once the water goes over the top of the leeve(breech) the erotion takes place. The more dirt washed from the leeve, the more water flows into lower area. Army Corp. was filling weak spots and voids since wed. There equipment is in place now. By the time the weather breaks it will be to late to control the erotion.

(Weather Hobbyist)

Mon Aug 29 2005 03:18 PM

Re: Tide level - Lake Pontchartrain

Just heard from NFIP official that there are several areas on the east side of town where the leeves have now been breeched. Water is up to the roof lines in some areas. as much as 2ft of water spilling over the top of the leeves.

Please pardon my grammar today. Ive been on a coffee diet since 8pm last night.

(Weather Master)

Mon Aug 29 2005 03:20 PM

Re: Tide level - Lake Pontchartrain

Can't believe people in N.O on TV are mad that they over hyped the storm when in fact they got lucky that it took at jog NE then back north again.

Why don't people be thankful then saying the NHC over hyped the storm.This is from Fox news.

(Senior Storm Chaser)

Mon Aug 29 2005 03:25 PM

Re: Tide level - Lake Pontchartrain

Who ever thought you'd be relieved to hear that the pressure was up to 927 and that the winds were down to 125!

(Weather Hobbyist)

Mon Aug 29 2005 03:32 PM

Re: Tide level - Lake Pontchartrain

CNN reports that the levess are fine, they had a guy on from the city of New Orleans and said they are holding up.

Also, seems like the big conecrn is the water, not so much wind.

(Weather Master)

Mon Aug 29 2005 03:33 PM

Re: Tide level - Lake Pontchartrain

IMO hats off to the GDFL and lesser but right on the traget for landfall the Nogaps again.The GFS did not do good on this storm and the BAMM was not far behind the GFS.

So far the GDFL and NOGAPS have been the best this season so far.If they are true to from this will spare GA coast as the models show more oif a north biase then NE later in the forcast.

Just praying now it weakens fast per NHC after landfall in about 12 Hrs.

Steady weakening will
occur as the center moves over land. However Katrina has such a
large and powerful circulation that it will probably retain
hurricane intensity for about 12 hours...

(Weather Watcher)

Mon Aug 29 2005 03:33 PM

Re: Tide level - Lake Pontchartrain

Quote:

Please pardon my grammar today. Ive been on a coffee diet since 8pm last night.

DM, I for one am appreciative of the information you are passing on... DO NOT worry about grammar or typos on my behalf... As long as I can decipher the important stuff, the rest is just... well... small stuff... and I don't sweat the small stuff..<g>

Thank you for your efforts...

(Weather Hobbyist)

Mon Aug 29 2005 03:34 PM

Re: Tide level - Lake Pontchartrain

WOW. ive never in 16 years since my first storm HUGO ,ever heard so many conflicting reports

Humanriff

(Verified CFHC User)

Mon Aug 29 2005 03:34 PM

Re: Tide level - Lake Pontchartrain

I don't think we will even begin to know the real damage this thing has caused either locally or nationally (I heard on the radio coming to work this morning that a big part of the oil imported into the US comes into LA) for several days. When we are paying $4 a gallon for gas and the reality of the economic and human disaster in NO and MI becomes apparent.

royener

(Verified CFHC User)

Mon Aug 29 2005 03:35 PM

Re: Tide level - Lake Pontchartrain

DM when you say the equipment is in pace is it near the levees if so when the water level inside rises the equipment will not be accesible it would seem that the only way to repair them will be by barge from the outboard side, what is your take on this

stormchazer

(Storm Tracker)

Mon Aug 29 2005 03:36 PM

Re: Tide level - Lake Pontchartrain

From Nola.com

Breaking news

Here's a run-down of what they reported:
- In New Orleans, water topped a levee along the Industrial Canal. The city's 911 emergency system was out of service and Charity Hospital was on emergency power and windows had been blown out on five floors. The Police Department was operating on a backup power system. Three to four feet of water was reported on St. Claude Avenue at Jackson Barracks. And a 20-foot tidal surge knocked out four pumping stations; only one was able to get back into service.

Also in New Orleans, a bridge connecting a parking garage to Memorial Hospital collapsed.

- In Jefferson Parish, there was a report of a building collapse in the 200 block of Wright Avenue in Terrytown. Parish officials could not provide details other than to say they had been notified that people were inside the building.

- In St. Charles Parish, significant flooding was reported on the east bank.

- In Arabi, up to 8 feet of water was reported, and people are climbing into their attics to escape the flooding. "We're telling people to get into the attic and take something with them to cut through the roof if necessary,'' said Col. Richard Baumy of the St. Bernard Parish Sheriff's Office. "It's the same scenario as Betsy.''

Baumy said 100-plus mph winds were preventing rescue efforts.

At Bayou Bienvenue, water levels were reported at 9 1/2 feet, almost twice normal levels.

- In St. John, massive power outages are reported.

(Weather Hobbyist)

Mon Aug 29 2005 03:36 PM

Re: Tide level - Lake Pontchartrain

Quote:

Can't believe people in N.O on TV are mad that they over hyped the storm when in fact they got lucky that it took at jog NE then back north again.

Why don't people be thankful then saying the NHC over hyped the storm.This is from Fox news.

Ralph, im sure people after they think will be thankful for this, but I have nver been thru a storm like this and im sure my first reaction would be this..

(Weather Hobbyist)

Mon Aug 29 2005 03:39 PM

Re: Tide level - Lake Pontchartrain

Most of the equipment is in the form of scrapers and dozers that where building up some weak spots. Since these leeves where built there has been alot of settling of the dirt. To my knowledge there is a 80ml layer of black plastic sheeting on the water sides of leeve. The equipment is portable and im sure it was pulled from atop the leeves before the storm.

stormchazer

(Storm Tracker)

Mon Aug 29 2005 03:43 PM

Re: Tide level - Lake Pontchartrain

Concerning the breach from Channel 4 WWLTV.com

.. A LEVEE BREACH OCCURRED ALONG THE INDUSTRIAL CANAL AT TENNESSE STREET. 3 TO 8 FEET OF WATER IS EXPECTED DUE TO THE BREACH...LOCATIONS IN THE WARNING INCLUDE BUT ARE NOT LIMITED TO ARABI AND 9TH WARD OF NEW ORLEANS.

NewWatcher

(Storm Tracker)

Mon Aug 29 2005 03:44 PM

Re: Tide level - Lake Pontchartrain

Anyone heard from Danny, that he is o.k.?

Ron Basso

(Storm Tracker)

Mon Aug 29 2005 03:47 PM

Re: Gulfport Tidal Flooding

Taken from the Weather Channel blog:

Quote:
An amazing phone call just aired on The Weather Channel a few minutes ago from Jim Cantore's producer, Simon Temperton. The two of them are at the Armed Forces Retirement Home in Gulfport, Miss. (current conditions), where they have sought refuge from rapidly rising floodwaters on the second floor along with 300-400 residents of the home.

Here's some of what Simon reported in his phone call:

"We're going through some unbelievable conditions. Water is seeping into the building. I'd say we've had at least a 20-feet [of] storm surge. It has washed away all our rental cars, and everything else [in the parking lot]...

"Now water is seeping into the home and they are evacuating everyone to the second floor. I'm standing in 5 or 6 inches of water [on the second floor]. The power is out. There are a few emergency lights. It's a very daunting prospect right now....

"It's a very dangerous situation. I've been doing this for 15 years, and [I've] been Mr. Cantore's producer for many hurricanes, and I've never seen anything like this. This is probably the scariest situation we've ever been in -- just the sudden rise of water and how fast. They said we were good here for 27, 30 feet [of storm surge] -- they've never seen anything like it. They thought we were completely safe.

"We're not even shooting [video] anymore. We're basically in self-preservation [mode] right now. We're helping people put up boards and sandbags to keep the water from coming in. We've become part of the crew.

"In the time we've been talking, the water has risen, I'd say, another 3 inches. It's up to the top of my boots. The water keeps rising."

-- Posted by Laurel, Product Manager, The Weather Channel Interactive

(Weather Watcher)

Mon Aug 29 2005 03:49 PM

Re: Tide level - Lake Pontchartrain

the NWS has just issued a tornado watch for Leon Co , FL (Tallahassee) and surrounding counties, including south GA. until 5:30pm..

Katrina has a long reach.

(Weather Master)

Mon Aug 29 2005 03:51 PM

Re: Gulfport Tidal Flooding

Any live radar sites avil? i cant get N.O'S and now trying Mobile with no luck.On the nws site.link?

VandyBrad

(Weather Hobbyist)

Mon Aug 29 2005 03:54 PM

Re: Gulfport Tidal Flooding

I'm using:

http://radar.weather.gov/radar/loop/DS.p19r0/si.kmob.shtml

MarcoResi

(Weather Watcher)

Mon Aug 29 2005 03:57 PM

try this

try this http://radar.weather.gov/radar/loop/DS.p19r0/si.klix.shtml

(Weather Watcher)

Mon Aug 29 2005 03:59 PM

Re: Radar

Could be your browser. I wasn't able to get it using Netscape, but able to with Explorer.

abyrd

(Weather Hobbyist)

Mon Aug 29 2005 04:02 PM

Re: Gulfport Tidal Flooding

I'm using Tallahassee's radar.
http://intellicast.com/Local/USLocalWide...mp;prodnav=none

(Admin)

Mon Aug 29 2005 04:04 PM

Re: Radar

From mobile bay:

mobile cam is recording, but because of site issues I can't put it up right now. You can try using http://flhurricane.com/imageanimator.php?3 but it may not work properly

jth

(Storm Tracker)

Mon Aug 29 2005 04:10 PM

Re: Radar

Is that I-10? Surely that has not breached the bayway. That would be a very, very high surge.

Southern4sure

(Weather Guru)

Mon Aug 29 2005 04:12 PM

Re: Radar

That is the Mobile Bayway Bridge. It is amazing to see it underwater water. Unbelievable.

(Weather Guru)

Mon Aug 29 2005 04:13 PM

Re: Radar

Anyone listening to any of these phone calls on Fox? 8 ft of water in neighborhood south of Lake P...native NO reporter...hopping rooftops to look at things...crazy...people on roofs...water up to windows...have video but no way to get it in.

(Moderator)

Mon Aug 29 2005 04:19 PM

Superdome Photo

You can see some of the damage to the Superdome from this photo:

(Weather Hobbyist)

Mon Aug 29 2005 04:24 PM

Re: Radar

I'm back from my 45 minute cat nap. Wow i feel much better.
Flooding is confirmed visually in N.O. I feel that it was impossible to tour the leeve system as said in a prior post during the storm. There is wide spread flooding in N.O. in 50% of the town. Some areas water is up to the gutters on single story dwellings. 16-18" of water in downtown Mobile as well. Confirmed 25-30 ft surge in Gulfport /Biloixi area. <<read Producer notes in abouve post.
Water 6" deep on second floor of building. God Bless anyone being effected by the flooding. I fear the fatality #'s will start rolling in some time this afternoon. I will update as i hear things, or until my superiors tell me to quit posting info. Next FEMA conference call is at 1pm

est. Will update after that call.

(Senior Storm Chaser)

Mon Aug 29 2005 04:25 PM

Re: Gulfport Tidal Flooding

I just heard from my brother in Pascagoula. My hands are shaking so I don't know if I can write this.

The situation is very bad there and very bad along the entire coast.

He risked his life to go out to his patrol car to call me on the cell phone. While he was there the back window blew out. He turned the car around. We were only able to talk for a few minutes.

I tried to get as many details as I could from him and I'm trying to remember them all and type them in before I forget them.

He is at the sub station at St. Martin Jackson Cty right by I-10. The sub station is surrounded by water right now. The surge came quickly and water rose more than 10 feet in one hour.

He says it is rising there and they are going to try to get to another building. I asked him not to get trapped in the building by the water but to try for the roof and he said that wasn't possible, they are still getting sustained winds 100+mph and have been for some hours. He knows from the wind direction that the eye is over land becuse he said it went slowly around the compass and is from the SE right now.

OK they have an armored track vehicle. They have been going out for rescues like I had said. But they couldn't get to everyone; some people drowned in their home. They rescued 23 civilians and there are also 20 cops hunkered down at the sub station right now. Then the surge came very quickly and they barely got the ATV back to the sub station. He said cars were floating everywhere. He said that the wind has smashed the glass on all the cars. That you could not survive if you were out in the water right now, because of the high winds and everything blowing and smashing things.

This is the worst thing I have to tell you. about 500 people were in the St. Martin school and it collapsed. They couldn't get to them. Shelters everywhere in the Jackson Co area, problems. Everyone in Pascaoula that was in the court house, that is the emergency center, are up on the third floor now. He says everything south of Hwy 90 (basically 90% of Pascagoula) under 10 ft water. He knows this because his wife works for the dept as well and is there at what was the emergency management center.

They are going to try to load the people some at a time now into the ATV and try for this other building. I don't have high hopes for that. They are on a tiny strip of land that is just about the only land in the county that would not be under water now. It is the strip that they build I-10 along and is I think about a mile long.

The only thing I can hope for is that the big part of the surge is over and that the water will only rise incrementally.

He had to go. Things were hitting his car and I was afraid he would be hurt trying to call me.

I don't know if he is going to get through this. But he is ok. He really loves his job at the sheriff's dept and he is totally happy helping people so he will be ok even if they don't get through this. I did not hear any panic in his voice, only awe. My mind froze and I couldn't think of things to ask him.

I hope I remembered everything he said.

Please disaster master can you get hold of someone at MEMA and let them know everything I've told you.

(Weather Hobbyist)

Mon Aug 29 2005 04:25 PM

Re: Radar

FNC has first live pictures of flooding. Tune in to see

(Weather Hobbyist)

Mon Aug 29 2005 04:28 PM

Re: Gulfport Tidal Flooding

Copied and pasted info. Sent via email

Humanriff

(Verified CFHC User)

Mon Aug 29 2005 04:33 PM

Re: Gulfport Tidal Flooding

Can someone explain exactly what the Mobile Cam is showing? What are the structures in front, for instance? Thanks

wxman007

(Meteorologist)

Mon Aug 29 2005 04:34 PM

Streaming Vid...

We are streaming WTOK-TV in Meridian, MS on wjhg.com, look in the upper right hand corner and click on the Hurricane Katrina link...I am here and on the air off and on...

(Weather Watcher)

Mon Aug 29 2005 04:41 PM

Re: FNC

Quote:

FNC has first live pictures of flooding. Tune in to see

Do you have a link?

Psyber

(Storm Tracker)

Mon Aug 29 2005 04:44 PM

Re: Hurricane Katrina Makes Landfall in SE Louisiana as a Category 4 Storm

Dialup? OMG Katrina has blown us back to the stoneage!

Brings up a point i've been meaning to ask...how did cuba make out with the rain etc? I know that the us's southern neighbours are seen as non friendly but with their infrastructure, they must have really paid the price on the first view of katrina we saw while it sat on the keys...

Quote:

I've only got about 3 hours of battery time let. I had forgotten how painfully slow dialup was.

trinibaje

(Weather Guru)

Mon Aug 29 2005 04:49 PM

Re: Hurricane Katrina Makes Landfall in SE Louisiana as a Category 4 Storm

Hi Guys,

Today is my first day of communciation with the outside world after Katrina surprised us here in Far southern dade county, Florida. Now i see she is barreling down on the Gulf Coast. My prayers are with the people in N.O. We spent 4 days without electricity and trapped by the floods, but i guess you guys have discussed all of this already.

Good to be back, and good luck to all in Louisiana and Mississippi.

(Senior Storm Chaser)

Mon Aug 29 2005 04:53 PM

Re: Gulfport Tidal Flooding

I just realized he wouldn't have called me if he didn't know things were pretty bad. I just realized that they would never evac the sub station unless the water was still rising and they would drown in the building if they stayed there. But that means there is no other place that is not under water. He said they couldn't survive outside in the wind. I believe it because of the force of things that were flying through the air and hitting their car.

Oh I just realized something else he told me. My mind is only working in sections or something.

He said they are going to use the ATV to break down a wall. I think that is how they are going to get people out of the building. I guess they can't be safe running out the door.

So if they take the first load and find there is nowhere to take them, the water will keep rising and they will drown outside.

I know even if he doesn't survive it is ok with him because he is doing everything he is supposed to do. I just this is really hard.

NONAME

(Weather Guru)

Mon Aug 29 2005 04:55 PM

Re: wonder

I just look at the track for hurricane Katrina and what the chance it would still be a tropical storm when it get to Ohio because I just looked at the track and it passes 13 mile from my home in Defiance Ohio and it should hit us in early wednesday morning think around 1-2am. So Should I prepare somehow thanks.

(Weather Hobbyist)

Mon Aug 29 2005 05:01 PM

Re: wonder

Quote:

I just look at the track for hurricane Katrina and what the chance it would still be a tropical storm when it get to Ohio because I just looked at the track and it passes 13 mile from my home in Defiance Ohio and it should hit us in early wednesday morning think around 1-2am. So Should I prepare somehow thanks.

I live in Western PA and dont see it being worse then Ivan, where Pittsburgh was basically under water.

No doubt it will be a Low by the tim it gets up here

(Weather Hobbyist)

Mon Aug 29 2005 05:03 PM

Re: wonder

Down to CAT 2 and falling apart quickly..

Looks also like NO maybe coming out of the worse.

(Weather Hobbyist)

Mon Aug 29 2005 05:06 PM

Re: Gulfport Tidal Flooding

Confirmed new record storm surge for the U.S. 37 ft in Gulf port bilouxi area. This is confirmed

WeatherNut

(Weather Master)

Mon Aug 29 2005 05:09 PM

Re: Gulfport Tidal Flooding

Margie, you are very brave to be keeping everyone informed...it must run in your family. I am praying for your brothers safety as I am sure others here are as well. He is a hero

(Weather Hobbyist)

Mon Aug 29 2005 05:10 PM

Re: Gulfport Tidal Flooding

Quote:

Confirmed new record storm surge for the U.S. 37 ft in Gulf port bilouxi area. This is confirmed

Can you provide a link?

CNN just said highest storm surge there was 22 feet.

(Weather Hobbyist)

Mon Aug 29 2005 05:10 PM

Re: Gulfport Tidal Flooding

Margie i also send that info to a contact at FNC. It will air when they get a confident confimation. Help gets places quiker when there is a little pressure applied.

(Weather Hobbyist)

Mon Aug 29 2005 05:13 PM

Re: Gulfport Tidal Flooding *Killed -- Sent to Graveyard*

This post was sent to the Hurricane Graveyard

(Verified CFHC User)

Mon Aug 29 2005 05:16 PM

Re: Gulfport Tidal Flooding

You keep on doing everything you are doing, DM.

Nate, stop watching CNN. They have gotten about 80% of what they are reporting wrong!!! Earlier, they reported NO escaped damage and flooding....The NO I know has lots of flooding and lots of damage.

Thunder

(Weather Watcher)

Mon Aug 29 2005 05:21 PM

Re: Gulfport Tidal Flooding

Quote:

Confirmed new record storm surge for the U.S. 37 ft in Gulf port bilouxi area. This is confirmed

Now Jim Cantore can say "And I was there, America, I was there...."

(Weather Watcher)

Mon Aug 29 2005 05:23 PM

Re: Gulfport Tidal Flooding

Margie, my prayers for your family..

Shepard Smith made an excellent point just now on Fox News... After Andrew left Miami, the original reports said.. well, not bad... we're fine... UNTIL there was air surveillance... then a striking and terrible picture emerged.. The basic reality is: reporters are only seeing specific points.. the places where they are located... no one will know, for certain, until after the weather clears, the exact who/what/when/where...

Mississippi has taken quite a hit, as far as I can tell.. Biloxi and Gulfport especially. I have also heard talk about a town called Waveland, which was destroyed in Camille.. and may have suffered catastrophic damage today. There are many, many places that aren't covered by news media, and we will not know the true toll of Katrina until later in the week and weeks ahead.

NO ONE who was "missed" by this monster should complain.. they should thank whoever they believe in for their good luck... It should always be kept in mind that for every place that was "missed", another was hit.. For everyone who is able to go back to their home, someone does not have a home to go to..

I am sitting here in front of my bedroom window in Tallahassee, watching clouds pushed by winds briefly darken my view and the trees sway and bind in the gusts... and I am VERY, VERY FAR away from the height of the storm...

There is and will be more to this storm than meets the eye now... My prayers to all...

ALERT: Just north of the French Quarter there is a rescue operation going on... people clinging to telephone poles... what a nightmare..

(Storm Tracker)

Mon Aug 29 2005 05:32 PM

Re: Gulfport Tidal Flooding *Killed -- Sent to Graveyard*

My intent with this post is only to intervene before anything escalates between you two, DM and Nate.

DM, Nate is merely repeating what he saw on the news, which I'm sure many others (me included) have seen on several websites and news stations: that the surge was 22 feet - and asking for a source for your 37-foot figure. I don't think that was an unreasonable request; yes, CNN might (unintentionally) be wrong, but I assume many people, like Nate, don't want to spread the 37-foot number without having a source for it. That's all.

I appreciate your information DM, and I'm guessing Nate appreciates it, too. But with so much conflicting information, a quick post that just states that the 37 foot figure is "confirmed," without more information (such as the source of the figure and the source of the confirmation), is the type of thing a cautious reader might wait to pass along until hearing the source of the information. There is obviously a lot of misinformation (almost always unintentional) going around (as is true in the early period of any natural disaster), and with so much at stake I certainly don't want to pass along potentially incorrect information.

Yes, it sounds like you are receiving much more reliable information than most, but I still can't fault anyone for asking you for your source re: a given piece of information. And I understand you might not have time or energy to post the source right away, but at the same time I find it hard to fault anyone for asking for a source at a time like this.

Having said that, I appreciate the information you've provided and hope you continue to do so, but I also hope that other visitors to this site will continue to ask you (or others) questions if they've seen/heard information which potentially conflicts with what you or anyone else has posted.

My thoughts are with anyone affected by this storm.

SirCane

(Storm Tracker)

Mon Aug 29 2005 05:34 PM

Re: Gulfport Tidal Flooding

I feel for those over in Mississippi and Louisiana. I know what they're going through having gone through Ivan. I'm just glad we didn't get a direct hit here again by another powerful storm. The surge here has been very high and the winds have reached close to Hurricane strength at times. Many in town don't have power here. I'm the fortunate one. My prayers go out to those who lost everything.

By the way, I have family in Harrison County, Miss. and was wondering if anyone has heard any reports from there? They evactuated to here so they are wondering. Thanks

(Weather Hobbyist)

Mon Aug 29 2005 05:36 PM

Re: Gulfport Tidal Flooding

Quote:

You keep on doing everything you are doing, DM.

Nate, stop watching CNN. They have gotten about 80% of what they are reporting wrong!!! Earlier, they reported NO escaped damage and flooding....The NO I know has lots of flooding and lots of damage.

MSNBC showed video from WWLTV from streets of NO, and I must say its not as bad as expected and thats great.

Alot of trees down and some parts of roofs off, but structures are still there and seemed like canal street and burbon and downton area isnt that bad water wise.

Seemed like Tornadoes are the big concern right now. Everyone can start breathing in NO.

jth

(Storm Tracker)

Mon Aug 29 2005 05:40 PM

Re: Gulfport Tidal Flooding

Please don't leave Mobile out of your prayers. Many in my family have either got trees on there homes, or water in there homes. I have several family member that live on the water in Mobile and they all have flooding....The Eastern Shore of Mobile bay has 6 ft waves now crashing into homes.

(Weather Hobbyist)

Mon Aug 29 2005 05:41 PM

Re: Gulfport Tidal Flooding *Killed -- Sent to Graveyard*

The information i got was from a Conference call at 1pm. While typing my post Jim Cantore also reported the same thing. He is there. Someone in an earlier post reported no flooding and no leeve problems per a N.O. City official. A little bit of forum research and that post can still be found.This information was way wrong.People clinging to poles and cutting there way out of there attics is not a sign of "no flood problems" Information like that makes people complacent. Being complacent right now is not a good option. Being complacent will get you in trouble quick. You point was well received and my post will be short and to the point with sources reveiled.

SirCane

(Storm Tracker)

Mon Aug 29 2005 05:43 PM

Re: Gulfport Tidal Flooding

Oh yeah, I know Mobile had it rough too. The surge here has been pretty bad too all the way to Destin. WHat a MASSIVE storm!

(Weather Hobbyist)

Mon Aug 29 2005 05:47 PM

Re: Gulfport Tidal Flooding *Killed -- Sent to Graveyard*

Quote:

The information i got was from a Conference call at 1pm. While typing my post Jim Cantore also reported the same thing. He is there. Someone in an earlier post reported no flooding and no leeve problems per a N.O. City official. A little bit of forum research and that post can still be found.This information was way wrong.People clinging to poles and cutting there way out of there attics is not a sign of "no flood problems" Information like that makes people complacent. Being complacent right now is not a good option. Being complacent will get you in trouble quick. You point was well received and my post will be short and to the point with sources reveiled.

I reported that about the City Offical saying that the levees were holding.

MSNBC OR FOX had a city offical on about 11 AM EST and was asked about the break in the levee and he responded that he had no report of that and he was tolf that they are holding up.

I just put what was reported on TV. I rather have a link, there is alot of hearsay going on.

But this was reported on TV.

CNN was talking to a meterologist from NHC and he said that a 15-20 foot surge could still be had on the Mississippi-Alabama Coast, he said that as of Noon, the higest registered surge was 22 Feet on Mississippi coast.

(Storm Tracker)

Mon Aug 29 2005 05:47 PM

Re: Gulfport Tidal Flooding *Killed -- Sent to Graveyard*

Has there been any further updates to the School that collapsed in Pascagoula Ms? There were over 500 people in there. Any reports from that area. I would have assumed with that many at risk, there would have been some news about that.

tpratch

(Moderator)

Mon Aug 29 2005 05:48 PM

Re: Gulfport Tidal Flooding

I think it's far too early to suggest that NO can breathe. Video is sporadic and coming from a few areas. The city itself is far too large to sound an all-clear on quite yet.

As someone mentioned above, people said "we're fine" after Andrew as well - something that was decidedly not entirely accurate.

YMMV SPSFD

*It should be noted, that just because you heard it on TV doesn't necessarily make it accurate... In the push for news, they often don't fully corroborate information before releasing it.

(Weather Hobbyist)

Mon Aug 29 2005 05:50 PM

Re: Gulfport Tidal Flooding *Killed -- Sent to Graveyard*

Quote:

Has there been any further updates to the School that collapsed in Pascagoula Ms? There were over 500 people in there. Any reports from that area. I would have assumed with that many at risk, there would have been some news about that.

I havent heard a thing about it and I have been monitoring WWLTV and WDSU TV online and Cable News on TV.

I know Video can be misleading. but Downtown was a main concern and they showed parts of it and it doesnt look as bad as it could of been. Thank God.

(Senior Storm Chaser)

Mon Aug 29 2005 05:51 PM

Re: Gulfport Tidal Flooding

Quote:

Margie i also send that info to a contact at FNC. It will air when they get a confident confimation. Help gets places quiker when there is a little pressure applied.

I don't know what FNC is.

I looked at the radar. Right now Jackson County is getting hammered with bands and the wind direction is from the SSW, which means water is continuing to get pushed up there, even if it is no longer the case along the western MS coast. I can see there is a very intense band that just went right through that part of the county, and more coming. So I know the water is still rising there and continuing to rise, and that the winds will still be high there for some time, and I am a logical person and so I know they had no place left that wasn't underwater, and couldn't survive above it.

I just saw that picture of the I-10 bridge in Mobile that goes out from the city towards Pensacola. However people who have not lived there don't understand the implications of this and how high the bridge is, and how impossible such an image is to comprehend. So if it is that way in Mobile then I understand how it is in Jackson County, which is closer to the eye.

It is ok but I know that there is no chance for them. My brother is the type of person who at the last would probably try to take a cilivilan and keep them afloat as long as it was possible, and he would be ok with that.

(Storm Tracker)

Mon Aug 29 2005 05:52 PM

Re: Gulfport Tidal Flooding

Thay may be true all.

Again, CNN has reported that by the end of this storm, it may well exceed over 25 Billion dollars in damage. And people are reporting not too bad. Yeah right.!!

collegemom

(Weather Hobbyist)

Mon Aug 29 2005 05:54 PM

Re: Gulfport Tidal Flooding

Please dont forget that this whopper is traveling up the Mississippi and Ohio river valleys dumping huge amounts of rain. THAT RAIN will travel back down to NO in a day or two. Pray the river does not overflow it's banks.

(Verified CFHC User)

Mon Aug 29 2005 05:56 PM

Re: Gulfport Tidal Flooding

Quote:

Quote:

You keep on doing everything you are doing, DM.

Nate, stop watching CNN. They have gotten about 80% of what they are reporting wrong!!! Earlier, they reported NO escaped damage and flooding....The NO I know has lots of flooding and lots of damage.

MSNBC showed video from WWLTV from streets of NO, and I must say its not as bad as expected and thats great.

Alot of trees down and some parts of roofs off, but structures are still there and seemed like canal street and burbon and downton area isnt that bad water wise.

Seemed like Tornadoes are the big concern right now. Everyone can start breathing in NO.

Everyone can't start breathing in NO. In areas of NO, there is 8-10 feet of water, people stranded on their roofs because their house is flooded and they had to get on their roof or they would drown.

These News stations have their reporters in certain areas of the city reporting ONLY on what they can see. If their area happens to be somewhat free from flooding or collapsed buildings, that is what they report. That is no indication of how the entire city is faring.

Shepard Smith reported from Bourban Street If you had plans to come to NO next week and party, come on over, the party will be on....or something to that effect. IMO, not only is that not a professional thing to say during something like this but it's not accurate.

Terra

(Storm Tracker)

Mon Aug 29 2005 05:56 PM

Re: Tide level - Lake Pontchartrain

Let's talk about this levy 'break' on the industrial canal.... Apparently it was also 'broken' during Betsy to spare New Orleans at the expense of the lower 9th ward and Arabi. This 'break' for Betsy was made on purpose. Anyone know if it was purposely broken again this time?

(Storm Tracker)

Mon Aug 29 2005 05:56 PM

Re: Gulfport Tidal Flooding

Has any news agencies been reporting causaulties yet? I hope there are none, but know we really haven't touched the surface, as what happened in the wake of Andrew.

(Weather Hobbyist)

Mon Aug 29 2005 05:57 PM

Re: Gulfport Tidal Flooding *Killed -- Sent to Graveyard*

Oceanographist on MSNBC

asked if the Levees will hold..

He answered that yes they can hold, but he herad a report that one did break and has caused some MINOR local flooding,

He also said that The city could hold up to a couple feet of flood water.

Lysis

(User)

Mon Aug 29 2005 05:58 PM

Re: Gulfport Tidal Flooding

Has any news agencies been reporting causaulties yet? I hope there are none, but know we really haven't touched the surface, as what happened in the wake of Andrew.

We are still early on in the game, and this is really far from over, but I can see Katrina eventually overtaking Andrew as the most expensive hurricane on record. In lieu of astonishing devastation in an extremely isolated area (ie Andrew, Charley), Katrina boasts of a more moderated destruction (at least from what we have seen thus far… which is liable to change), but over an extraordinarily large area. Granted… when you are talking about storm surge levels of the kind being thrown around here, you see a different kind of damage than seen in an otherwise exclusively extreme wind event. Due to the incredibly large area of destruction with this storm, look to see fatalities (especially indirect fatalities) skyrocket in the coming days. You know you have a serious problem when a “minimal” hurricane causes several billion dollars in damage over South Florida like Katrina did last week. These things are becoming way too expensive.

Of course, this is only conjecture.

(Admin)

Mon Aug 29 2005 05:58 PM

Re: Gulfport Tidal Flooding

You can hear Jim Cantore talk about the incredible storm surge in Gulfport here..

http://www.weather.com/multimedia/index....=wxcenter_video

This one looks like it pulled something similar to Ivan, but stronger, where massive flooding occured to the east of the storm

tenavilla

(Weather Hobbyist)

Mon Aug 29 2005 06:01 PM

Re: Gulfport Tidal Flooding *Killed -- Sent to Graveyard*

Unfortunately, most of these television stations do not take the time to confirm these reports before they put them on the air, so just because it's on tv doesn't make it necessarily true. It's a race to get the information out there first, and IMHO to see who can be the most sensational at times. I've seen conflicting reports about this storm on all the major networks just today. One station said the superdome leaks were just a drizzle, another said the water was "pouring" in. Brian Williams from NBC stayed in the superdome and he said the turf was saturated and everything was wet, and specifically said it was a substantial amount of water coming in. Also, as someone said earlier, the reporters are very isolated right now and can only see what's going on in their immediate area. When Charley went through, or even Ivan, it wasn't until they flew over in choppers that you could actually grasp the enormity of what happened. On another note, I'm not sure how they measured the 22 foot storm surge, but my understanding is that Jim Cantore is on the 2nd floor of a building in Gulfport that was supposed to be safe for a 27 foot storm surge, and they are standing in water past their ankles on the second floor. Sounds a bit higher than 22 feet to me. Just my 2 cents.

(Weather Guru)

Mon Aug 29 2005 06:02 PM

Re: Gulfport Tidal Flooding

From the Destin Area here....

We have as much water in the yard as we had from Dennis..... not as bad as Ivan, but this storm came into LOUSIANA!

AMAZING amounts of water here for this thing which is nothing more than a TS here. I'm headed out in a bit to get some pictures around the area, as we are not under curfew and it has calmed down enough for me to do so.

Folks, it is REAL bad west of us. We're not in great shape here, and we're 200nm+ away from the storm!

No significant property damage here other than a big mess..... but I bet south of 98 here in Destin that is NOT true.

(Storm Tracker)

Mon Aug 29 2005 06:02 PM

Re: Gulfport Tidal Flooding

Correct me if I'm wrong, but being on the right side (East) of the storm, is where you will probally have major damage as well as huge storm surges. so saying it pulled an Ivan is in-correct, as those areas should have know to expect the worse that Katrina can give.

They did, please read, I said it did something similar to ivan with the surge, as a comparison, which is the last good example of where a powerful storm came across the gulf and pushed water upward into the gulf. Yes this is normal for storms of this strength hitting the Northern gulf, this is the point.

garrison

(Verified CFHC User)

Mon Aug 29 2005 06:03 PM

Re: Gulfport Tidal Flooding *Killed -- Sent to Graveyard*

It's going to take hours, if not days to seperate fact from fiction here, quite frankly i'd be amazed if portions of NO haven't been significantly flooded. I've got the same news sources as everyone else and it certainly sounds like portions are underwater with people on their roofs. I think the big story will be the devastation from NO east to Mobile, I would suspect "Andrew" like damage in a couple coastal towns, that we just dont know about.

abyrd

(Weather Hobbyist)

Mon Aug 29 2005 06:06 PM

Re: Gulfport Tidal Flooding

Here's a link to some amazing photos. Click on the slideshow
http://news.yahoo.com/

msbs44

(Registered User)

Mon Aug 29 2005 06:09 PM

Picayune, MS

Does Anyone know anything about Picayune, MS? Most of my family is in the area and I'm in New Jersey worried sick!

Thunder

(Weather Watcher)

Mon Aug 29 2005 06:10 PM

Re: Gulfport Tidal Flooding

Quote:

From the Destin Area here....

We have as much water in the yard as we had from Dennis..... not as bad as Ivan, but this storm came into LOUSIANA!

AMAZING amounts of water here for this thing which is nothing more than a TS here. I'm headed out in a bit to get some pictures around the area, as we are not under curfew and it has calmed down enough for me to do so.

Folks, it is REAL bad west of us. We're not in great shape here, and we're 200nm+ away from the storm!

No significant property damage here other than a big mess..... but I bet south of 98 here in Destin that is NOT true.

My mother-in-law lives on the harbor on Holiday Isle in Destin..... She had to evac. yesterday, I wonder how the place is fairing...

WeatherNut

(Weather Master)

Mon Aug 29 2005 06:11 PM

Re: Gulfport Tidal Flooding

I dont know any better confirmation than "eye-witness" reports. That building is 27 ft above sea level. I remember them reporting about it yesterday on TWC when Jim was thanking them for letting them broadcast from there. 27 + 10 = 37 where I come from. Jim also did not sound like he was sensationalizing...he actually sounded exhausted. Let us not forget what these guys risk to bring us this information

(Weather Hobbyist)

Mon Aug 29 2005 06:15 PM

Re: Gulfport Tidal Flooding

Jim and his producer where standing in water up to the top of there boots in that building. They where standing on the second floor.

(Storm Tracker)

Mon Aug 29 2005 06:20 PM

Re: Hurricane Katrina Makes Landfall in SE Louisiana as a Category 4 Storm

Mike,

Can we get a new thread for Katrina.

Katrina's Aftermath.

While katrina is a hurricane It's not over yet. - Mike C.

native

(Weather Guru)

Mon Aug 29 2005 06:22 PM

Re: Tide level - Lake Pontchartrain

Warning: this is not meant to alarm or be graphic but....I don't know why I just now thought of this but, we all know that in NO their deceased are not buried underground but above in mausoleums or something like that. Is this true of anywhere else being affected? I would think that the flooding coupled with this could create a whole different type of "catastrophe", possibly contamination issues. Has anyone heard of or have any news stations mentioned this? I would think that it may be of concern to the citizens/volunteers/workers who will ultimately be in the remnants of the storm waters helping to rescue/restore/rebuild. ?

Catmando

(Registered User)

Mon Aug 29 2005 06:26 PM

TD #13 Storm

Amidst the concern for those in the path of Katrina-Has it been noted TD #13 looks like its going away?

VISIBLE SATELLITE IMAGES AND A FEW SURFACE OBSERVATIONS INDICATE
THAT THE DEPRESSION HAS DEGENERATED INTO A BROAD AREA OF LOW
PRESSURE. GLOBAL MODELS AND THE GFDL WERE CORRECT IN SUGGESTING
THAT THIS CYCLONE WAS NOT GOING TO DEVELOP FURTHER.

rwstoney

(Registered User)

Mon Aug 29 2005 06:26 PM

Re: Hurricane Katrina Makes Landfall in SE Louisiana as a Category 4 Storm

The best location info I have is 30.2N 89.6W. This is from NWS advisory 27 that is now almost 3.5 hours old. Does anyone know where to find more up to date location data?

tpratch

(Moderator)

Mon Aug 29 2005 06:28 PM

Bring out yer dead (sorry)

Geraldo harped on this a few times last night.

I haven't heard anything current reported, but I'm sure it'll be brought up at some point if it's an issue.

(Weather Guru)

Mon Aug 29 2005 06:28 PM

Re: Gulfport Tidal Flooding

Quote:

My mother-in-law lives on the harbor on Holiday Isle in Destin..... She had to evac. yesterday, I wonder how the place is fairing...

The road in there is closed beyond Sandpiper. Holiday Isle gets hosed bad by these storms - every time. I expect damage similar to Dennis, and perhaps significantly worse, as there is little protection from the waves over there.

I doubt I will be able to get in there to get pictures, but might be able to get some idea from the bridge, if I can get over it (98 is washed out on Okaloosa Island; no report on whether it just got flooded or was damaged again yet)

More when I know......

garrison

(Verified CFHC User)

Mon Aug 29 2005 06:29 PM

Re: Gulfport Tidal Flooding

What I'd really like to know is who told Jim Cantore that that building is 27 ft above sea level?? Here is the link to the AFRH in Gulfport, it doesnt reference elevation, but mentions that it fronts the Gulf, Ive been through Gulfport and along its beaches, I dont recall seeing anything along the beach where the ground could be 27 ft high, perhaps I'll cross reference a topo map

http://www.afrh.gov/DWP/afrh/gulfport/afrhhistory.htm

Jax Chris

(Weather Watcher)

Mon Aug 29 2005 06:29 PM

Re: Tide level - Lake Pontchartrain

Quote:

Warning: this is not meant to alarm or be graphic but....I don't know why I just now thought of this but, we all know that in NO their deceased are not buried underground but above in mausoleums or something like that. Is this true of anywhere else being affected? I would think that the flooding coupled with this could create a whole different type of "catastrophe", possibly contamination issues. Has anyone heard of or have any news stations mentioned this? I would think that it may be of concern to the citizens/volunteers/workers who will ultimately be in the remnants of the storm waters helping to rescue/restore/rebuild. ?

Yes, this has been mentioned in an Associated Press story, New Orleans Facing Environmental Disaster (http://www.wral.com/news/4908732/detail.html) In part:

Quote:

As Hurricane Katrina hit New Orleans on Monday, experts said it could turn one of America's most charming cities into a vast cesspool tainted with toxic chemicals, human waste and even coffins released by floodwaters from the city's legendary cemeteries.

Jax Chris

(Storm Tracker)

Mon Aug 29 2005 06:30 PM

Re: Gulfport Tidal Flooding

One thing to keep in mind: if Jim Cantore's building is 27 feet above sea level and there is 10 feet of water in that building, that does not mean there was a 37-foot surge. That might be true, but it is not necessarily so.

As with any strong storm (including Andrew down here), sometimes areas experience deeper flood waters than the amount of surge which affected that area. (And contrarily, some areas experience shallower floods than the amount of surge which affected the area.) Several factors account for this, among them the terrain, both natural and man-made. For example, water can be "funneled" through both natural and man-made channels. If fixed structures - buildings, walls, hills, etc. - are in the surge area, some of the surge may be forced around the fixed structures and result in more water being forced into a smaller area, resulting in higher water levels in those smaller areas.

And of course, add to that rainwater, spillover from rivers, etc., and water levels can be even higher.

So given the right conditions, even with a surge of 8 or 10 feet, people on the second floor of a building at sea level could find themselves under a couple feet of water.

So the fact that Jim Cantore experienced those conditions suggests that the surge may have been higher than 22 feet, but to the extent that is the basis for the 37-foot number, I would wait for confirmation from NHC. Or perhaps DM has gotten that confirmation; I just don't know, and wouldn't base the conclusion on Jim Cantore's, or any one person's, observations.

KimmieL

(Weather Watcher)

Mon Aug 29 2005 06:32 PM

Re: Gulfport Tidal Flooding

Hi Ya'll, been in the middle of a whole lot of wind and rain. Our lights just came back on even though we are still experiencing 40mph wind gust and heavy rains. We got more wind than we expected and lost lots of limbs and some shingles, so in the scheme of things we were truly blessed compared to others in the area. It is amazing to hear that people in Alabama were experiencing similar weather. About an hour ago we had our hardest winds, gusting to 79 mph. That is when we began losing the shingles. We are hearing the reports out of NO and continue to pray for them all. Has anyone heard anything about Buras and Grand Isle where landfall was? We have not heard anything about them down there! Everyone still in the path of this powerful, large and dangerous, stay safe! Just the little bit we got makes me think about what others in the path around the eye must be experiencing! We continue to pray for them. Kimmie

(Verified CFHC User)

Mon Aug 29 2005 06:40 PM

Re: Tide level - Lake Pontchartrain

Quote:

Warning: this is not meant to alarm or be graphic but....I don't know why I just now thought of this but, we all know that in NO their deceased are not buried underground but above in mausoleums or something like that. Is this true of anywhere else being affected? I would think that the flooding coupled with this could create a whole different type of "catastrophe", possibly contamination issues. Has anyone heard of or have any news stations mentioned this? I would think that it may be of concern to the citizens/volunteers/workers who will ultimately be in the remnants of the storm waters helping to rescue/restore/rebuild. ?

TWC talked about this with one of their Special Reports called Vunerable Cities.

The article states:

Quote:

The stories date back to the early 18th Century, when the French first settled the city, according to Robert Florence, an author who has spent years studying New Orleans' cemeteries. Being below sea level, the city has a high water table, so families cannot bury their loved ones underground following funerals.

New Orleans residents first began above-ground burials in the late 18th Century, Florence said. "The first burial ground in the city was along the banks of the river on the top of the levee, which is the highest most well drained land," he said.

The first levees built in the city in 1718 were only three feet tall, according to the Orleans Levee District.

Florence added, "So, what you can only imagine happening is that they're burying on the levee, you've got flood levels coming over the banks of the river. You've got floating caskets that are pushed up above the ground. And you can only imagine. These levees sloped down into the city. If there was enough water, you could have caskets floating through the streets of the city."

After experiencing this enough times, residents decided to do something about it, according to Florence. The solution was to begin burying loved ones in tombs above ground.

Florence said, "The settlers here were familiar with the French, Spanish, etceteras - this Mediterranean custom of above ground burial, and they started to introduce those forms."

Today, the city owns seven cemeteries that house such tombs, but there are many others in which caskets have been buried underground.

Engineering now allows underground burial in the sub-sea level city, and floating caskets are a thing of the past. "That no longer really never happens in New Orleans because the land has been drained since the turn of the century. A system of water pumps... drains water out from under the city 24 hours a day."

garrison

(Verified CFHC User)

Mon Aug 29 2005 06:40 PM

Re: Gulfport Tidal Flooding

For what it's worth here's the relevant topographical map for where Jim Cantore was reporting, assuming its accurate, I dont how he could have been at 27'

http://topozone.com/map.asp?z=16&n=3...mp;layer=DRG100

Larry

(Weather Watcher)

Mon Aug 29 2005 06:41 PM

Re: Gulfport Tidal Flooding

Margie,

This link has information from Mississippi. No information on your brother's sub station, but it confirms the loss of the gym roof at St. Martin High School. Please hold out hope for your brother -he sounds very brave and resourceful. Your brother and all those in danger are in our prayers.
Town-by-town roundup

(Admin)

Mon Aug 29 2005 06:47 PM

Re: Gulfport Tidal Flooding

Katrina made landfall a little further west than Camille, the larger size of the eye probably allowed for the surge to be higher in Gulfport.

this will be very interesting to compare over the next few months. I hope too many people didn't get caught off guard by the surge and evacuated.

Plot of camille and katrina

(Senior Storm Chaser)

Mon Aug 29 2005 06:48 PM

Re: Gulfport Tidal Flooding

Larry thank you very much.

See I know they didn't make it because if they would have gotten to this other building he would have called again and said so.

I'll go ahead and bookmark that link, thanks again.

FlaRebel

(Weather Hobbyist)

Mon Aug 29 2005 06:55 PM

Re: Gulfport Tidal Flooding

Quote:

Larry thank you very much.

See I know they didn't make it because if they would have gotten to this other building he would have called again and said so.

I'll go ahead and bookmark that link, thanks again.

Margie, the cell towers could be down. It's way to early to give up hope. Our prayers are with you, your brother, and your families.

(Storm Tracker)

Mon Aug 29 2005 06:56 PM

Re: Gulfport Tidal Flooding

Margie:

You wrote that your brother called you via cell phone before. Even though his cell phone worked for that one call, it may not work again for a while, possibly hours or days, and it may not work in specific areas during or after the storm. So I would not lose hope based on the fact he hasn't called you again; even in much weaker storms, cell coverage becomes very spotty. (If you need an example, here in Miami cell coverage still isn't 100% after our brush with a very minimal cat 1 version of Katrina, and I only got a few calls out to family - despite hours of trying - in the first 2 days after the storm.)

I certainly wouldn't give up hope, particularly based on the fact you haven't gotten another call.

(Weather Hobbyist)

Mon Aug 29 2005 06:56 PM

Re: Tide level - Lake Pontchartrain

These are the major points of this storm as I see it.

WX Factors:
The storm lost its structure starting late last night. The perfect symmetry seen all day gave out and the Southwest and West sides of the storm lost considerable strength. The East side of the storm appears to have held it's strength for the most part. The turn to the north about 15 miles east of where forecast in addition to the weakening of the west side of the storm spared probably a 50 mile or greater swath to the west of the eyewall the catastrophic damange they had expected (city of NO included)
Meanwhile the East side of the storm appears to have arrived as advertised with massive storm surge flooding probably from the MS/LA border to Mobile and beyond. The weakening was too little too late to do much to reduce the surge much on that side as far as I can tell.

Damage Factors:

1. The major fear, huge catastrophe in NO never materialized, in a very general view I think we can all be relieved. The talk yesterday was a direct hit from cat 5 in the city making in uninhabitable for months, 10's of thousands dead, toxic soup covering the city. Hundreds of thousands stranded with no food/water/dry land. Major failure of the superdome with 30k people inside and so on. This clearly did not happen on a widespread level. This is the good news. This is not to minimize the damage that did occur in NO, I'm sure it's been fatal and locally catastrophic. but not close to realizing the fears of "the big one".
http://www.nola.com/hurricane/index.ssf?/washingaway/thebigone_1.html

2. Like a few people have said, the "We're OK" from NO doesn't speak for other localities. The storm surge will likely have destroyed a huge amount of property and some loss of life. The giant wind field likely caused an unusually large area of minor to moderate damage. I think as the picture clears up the media focus will turn to the huge geographic area affected especially the area affected by surge. Hard to guess a $ value, but I'd guess top 5 of all time is practically a given.

WiscoWx

(Registered User)

Mon Aug 29 2005 06:59 PM

Re: Gulfport Tidal Flooding

I'm not familiar with Gulfport and wouldn't have figured this location (the Armed Forces Retirement Home) Map of AFRH-Gulfport to be 27 feet above sea-level. However, that is what this statement AFRH-Gulfport Statement asserts, so Cantore was just relating what he had been told by officials.

Prayers are with all those affected by Katrina. Let's hope that as the storm passes and things become more clear that the good surprises will be more numerous than the bad ones.

(Weather Watcher)

Mon Aug 29 2005 07:00 PM

Re: Gulfport Tidal Flooding

Garrison,
Click on 1:250K series and then use the large map size. You'll see that Kessler is at 26 feet and Gulfport Airport is at 28 feet. It is very possible that JC was at 27 above.

(Weather Watcher)

Mon Aug 29 2005 07:02 PM

Re: Gulfport Tidal Flooding

Listened to press conference given by NO and state officials. Apparently in NO they had at least 100 911 calls that they were unable to respond to, and will not be able to check on people until it is safe for crews to get out and about.

(Weather Hobbyist)

Mon Aug 29 2005 07:05 PM

Re: Gulfport Tidal Flooding

Jim Cantore seems to be totally unaware of elevation in general. He stated on the Charley anniversary show that all of Charlotte County was below 10'
KPGD is at 25' http://www.airnav.com/airport/KPGD
My house in Port Charlotte is 16'

No idea where he gets his 'facts' from.

His likely erroneous reports today are scaring the hell out of people.

tenavilla

(Weather Hobbyist)

Mon Aug 29 2005 07:08 PM

Re: Gulfport Tidal Flooding

Quote:

No idea where he gets his 'facts' from.

His likely erroneous reports today are scaring the hell out of people.

See above, his 27 foot statement is accurate for the AFRH in Gulfport.

andy1tom

(Storm Tracker)

Mon Aug 29 2005 07:09 PM

Re: Gulfport Tidal Flooding

try text messaging if you have it. sometimes it works when the call portion doesn't. that what we used during ivan.

lunkerhunter

(Storm Tracker)

Mon Aug 29 2005 07:11 PM

Re: Gulfport Tidal Flooding

WiscoWx,
Great link regarding Jim Cantore.
The guy is for real and does the best job he can.

To "others",
Today is not a great day to bash anyone as there are more important things to be thinking about.

DisasterMaster,
Thanks a million for posting the FEMA info and other stuff.

(Weather Watcher)

Mon Aug 29 2005 07:20 PM

Re: Gulfport Tidal Flooding

Press conference happening right now. They have Coast Guard, National Guard, and Wildlife personnel going out in NO in response to 911 calls to try and rescue people trapped on roofs or in trouble. Saying they have lots of flooding in NO, and they want to check out bridges for structural safety before anyone returns.

(Weather Watcher)

Mon Aug 29 2005 07:23 PM

Re: Gulfport Tidal Flooding

Here's a news release from the Alabama Department of Transportation:

ALABAMA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION

MOBILE, August 29, 2005 – Officials with the Alabama Department of Transportation have closed the Cochrane-Africatown USA Bridge along U.S. 98 in Mobile County until they can conduct a structural assessment for possible damage that may have been caused when the bridge was struck by an oil drilling platform that had broken free in Mobile Bay.

ALDOT officials have no word on exactly where the oil drilling platform came from, but sometime shortly after 11 a.m. it apparently broke away from its moorings in Mobile Bay and drifted north until it became jammed under the west end of the bridge’s main span.

The bridge will remain closed until ALDOT engineers can conduct an inspection. There is no definitive word as of 1 p.m. whether the bridge has sustained damage, but crews will be en route to the bridge as soon as safe travel is possible.

The bridge is the route used for hazardous material to bypass the Wallace Tunnel on Interstate 10. Trucks carrying hazardous material are being detoured up Interstate 65 to Alabama 59 to bypass the closed bridge.

(Weather Guru)

Mon Aug 29 2005 07:24 PM

Re: Gulfport Tidal Flooding

Quote:

try text messaging if you have it. sometimes it works when the call portion doesn't. that what we used during ivan.

Yep. Very good advice.

Text messages will work where there is very intermittent service and extremely poor signal levels - too poor to support a voice call - in many cases. It will also go through where the switch is swamped and cannot set up a voice channel for a call ("all circuits are busy now" situations.)

However - be advised that Cingular service down here is totally screwed. A friend of mine with Cing service here can call out, but calls to their phone return "due to hurricane Katrina, we cannot complete your call at this time." This in Niceville, which never lost power, never saw hurricane-force winds, and where outbound calls from that same phone work just fine. Cingular has been spotty since last night with calls just "disappearing" to being routed to voicemail, even with the storm half a day away.

My cell service on T-Mobile has been rock solid - I've had the usual folks calling to see if we're ok, etc - nobody has said anything about having trouble getting through (our landline service is likewise working fine.)

In the high-impact areas towers are probably down (literally) and thus no service is available. Some carriers will open roaming (no charge) on anything that can get a signal during these events - T-Mobile did after Ivan, and left it open until they had their network back to normal. This DOES cost them money though, and not all carriers will do it for that reason.... Also, technology differences mean that interoperability between carriers depends on a common technology (TDMA .vs. CDMA .vs. GSM) But - all this depends on there being an antenna that is still standing, a transmitter that isn't under 20' of water, and a source of electricity to run it. Most of these sites have backup generators - but not all - however, if innudated with water they will still short out.

RKS

(Registered User)

Mon Aug 29 2005 07:25 PM

Re: Gulfport Tidal Flooding

Don't give up hope just because you can't reach your brother. Communications are breaking down everywhere. I am sitting in my office in Baton Rouge (one of largest corporations in the world) and apparently can not make a call ANYWHERE other than to local land lines. I get the dreaded "all circuits are busy" message. My Cingular cell phone has no recepotion either. I have good internet access and have tried sending text messages via Cingular's web site, but that does not appear to be working either.

firestar_1

(Weather Hobbyist)

Mon Aug 29 2005 07:35 PM

Re: Gulfport Tidal Flooding

Quote:

Larry thank you very much.

See I know they didn't make it because if they would have gotten to this other building he would have called again and said so.

I'll go ahead and bookmark that link, thanks again.

Margie,

Just like the others have said. It is way too early to give up yet. Even if the cell towers are standing, the antenna's do not handle the winds as well. Plus, emergency service will be getting priority on the open channels for some time now. My prayer's are with you and your family.

(Weather Watcher)

Mon Aug 29 2005 07:36 PM

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Here's a report from the Katrina blog on my local NBC site:

2:10 p.m.: 15-20 Feet Water Throughout St. Bernard Parish
WDSU reporter Heath Allen says he is stranded on the second floor of the St. Bernard Parish government building. He said officials are telling him the water is 15 to 20 feet deep on the streets throughout the parish. -- WDSU.com Web Staff

brynna

(Registered User)

Mon Aug 29 2005 07:38 PM

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Great link regarding Jim Cantore. The guy is for real and does the best job he can.

Last night Jim was interviewing the gentleman who runs the retirement home (didn't catch his name) and the man made it clear that the engineers were on record as stating that the home is at 27.5 feet above sea level, which corroborates with the link. That's where Cantore got his information from. Originally Jim and his crew were going to be in a shelter located at 15 feet above sea level but had the opportunity to move to the retirement home instead. Good call on his part.

Margie-I have been praying for your brother's safety. Blessings to you.

Linda, going back into lurk mode

Edited to remove stupidity on my part... should stick to lurking...

native

(Weather Guru)

Mon Aug 29 2005 07:40 PM

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I'm just noticing the 27B update on Katrina. Looks like she losing some steam wind wise and pick up foward speed. Surely that has be good...better....something. The faster she moves outta there, the better for those on the coast, no?

Rasvar

(Weather Master)

Mon Aug 29 2005 07:51 PM

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It is normal for telephone and celluar systems to go into a restricted mode during storms. They will block a lot of incoming calls to an area and allow only outgoing to protect the service from overload. This weights the systems to a better emergency response.

(Weather Watcher)

Mon Aug 29 2005 07:55 PM

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Reporter in Baton Rouge indicating they are going to attempt to have choppers in the air in about an hour.

Lysis

(User)

Mon Aug 29 2005 08:05 PM

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and had the expression of a man who wished he was anywhere but where he was at.

I highly doubt that. No doubt it was a frightening experience for him (as this is really his first such encounter with a storm of this intensity at such close proximity), but he knew to some degree what he was getting himself into. If these high surge estimates come to fruitrition, this kind of harkens back to my question a long time ago about the Saffir Simpson scale being somewhat flawed for such multifaceted disasters… especially in this day and age where it isn’t the wind that causes the most fatalities.

Cantore quote of the year:

“It’s what I do, man”

EDIT: Yes, Margie… the best to your brother. What a guy. I duly pray that he is unharmed.

(Weather Hobbyist)

Mon Aug 29 2005 08:08 PM

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To "others",
Today is not a great day to bash anyone as there are more important things to be thinking about.

My bad for not fact checking on the report there was no possible way he could be at 27'. Over the years I've enjoyed watching Cantore and had nothing to say about him until he made the ludicris comments about Charlotte County. I'm attaching the video clip to let anyone who cares know that I'm not just blowing hot air.

The reason I felt the need to comment is that if his reports today are some of the best info we are getting on surge in the area if they are true. If they are false they have added to the fear and hype of this storm unnecessarily.

ShanaTX

(Storm Tracker)

Mon Aug 29 2005 08:11 PM

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Acorrding to WWLTV reports are coming out ... and it sounds much worse in parts of NO than I would have expected reading here. The eastern part of the city has at least 20 collapsed buildings some with people still inside, 200 people on rooftops, a school shelter w/ the roof blown off and reports of floating bodies (not from the school). And as bad as that is ...It sounds much much worse to the east - esp MS.

Margie ... I'm hoping and praying for your brother and the people he's with and for all the people we don't know about yet...

(Storm Tracker)

Mon Aug 29 2005 08:16 PM

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Accordingly to the Weather Channel, Jim Cantore, based on his observations, "estimates that storm surge may have reached an astounding 27 to 37 feet." (Note that this statement was qualified with a "may" and a 10-foot range was given; I think these facts suggest that the Weather Channel and Mr. Cantore recognize the limited use of one person's observation to estimate storm surge. Regardless of whether the surge was 20, 27, or 37 feet, it was incredibly high, and of course it may turn out to have been 27 or 37 feet.)

The Weather Channel reports that he and his producer "are safe, and floodwaters around the Armed Forces Retirement Home . . . have started to recede." (It appears that this was based on a call at or before 1 pm EDT.)

Katie

(Weather Guru)

Mon Aug 29 2005 08:20 PM

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Just FYI, from experience with Ivan, Jeanne and Francis, The choppers will be more so for Gov't officials to see the damage or for rescue crews. We won't get good images for a day or so. I think they don't really want arial views going public until after they have taken a look - or until it is close time for residence to go home. I don't remember why I remember hearing that but I do.

Lysis

(User)

Mon Aug 29 2005 08:38 PM

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Hmmm… I never thought of that.
While I obviously never saw the television footage, I remember media helicopters flying circles over my neighborhood early the next morning (charley). The storm landfalled late in the day, so it was getting dark by the time things calmed down, which obviously belied a comprehensive look at the area.

In the Northern Gulf they have about four/five hours before nightfall, so maybe.

(Weather Guru)

Mon Aug 29 2005 08:54 PM

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Don't know if this is the wrong place for this post but if it is Mods will move it to appropriate forum. My thoughts right now are on our friends that post here on this site giving so much information to people like myself. I wish the best for Frank P, Danielw and many others that are having to deal with this storm. Hope they are safe and hopefully Mike, LIPhil , or some of the others will keep us updated.

trinibaje

(Weather Guru)

Mon Aug 29 2005 08:58 PM

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Quote:

Don't know if this is the wrong place for this post but if it is Mods will move it to appropriate forum. My thoughts right now are on our friends that post here on this site giving so much information to people like myself. I wish the best for Frank P, Danielw and many others that are having to deal with this storm. Hope they are safe and hopefully Mike, LIPhil , or some of the others will keep us updated.

Great post, my thoughts are also with the people who post here that are affected by the storm. There is one poster, i think his name is Rick on the boat? I hope he is ok.

(Senior Storm Chaser)

Mon Aug 29 2005 08:59 PM

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What does it mean to have four and a half lines on a wind flag? Would that be 45kts?

I just went to the sat image and sure enough the only place on the coast that still had winds of any consequence are Mobile County and the edge of the FL peninsula, and possibly Jackson Cty MS as well. They are still getting hammered with high onshore winds and rain after all this time.

Well now that I consider this is probably still true for the other 2 MS counties except it would be from the W instead of onshore.

hockeyucf

(Registered User)

Mon Aug 29 2005 09:03 PM

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Another "not sure if this is in the right place" post. I just got off the phone with my mom, who works for the city of Miramar in Broward County, FL. They have a case there of a family of five overcome by fumes from a generator that was positioned outside their home. She mentioned something about the fumes being able to travel along the electric line attached the generator... I'm not sure how it works, etc. but bottom line, please share with your friends and family that even if you have a generator outside your home, be vigilant and super cautious.

Thanks, and best wishes to all affected.

Cara

(Weather Guru)

Mon Aug 29 2005 09:07 PM

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Not sure Margie as I depend on those with so much knowledge to help me understand . I just heard on the weather channel that the whole state of Alabama is under a tornado watch. By what I see the path of Katrina is to travel toward NW Alabama where my children both live.

Yep I just looked at the computer models and see that NW Alabama is the path

(Storm Tracker)

Mon Aug 29 2005 09:09 PM

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If you have a generator, buy a carbon monoxide detector. They are cheap.

(And like the previous poster, I apologize if this post is off-topic; but carbon monoxide poisoning, although uncommon, does happen more often after storms than at other times, and with a detector it is for the most part preventable.)

(Weather Guru)

Mon Aug 29 2005 09:15 PM

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Atlanta getting pounded by the outer rain bands,I just heard they had a tornado sited in Clay Co. Also just heard at least 44,000 homes in St Bernard Parrish flooded.

trinibaje

(Weather Guru)

Mon Aug 29 2005 09:16 PM

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Quote:

If you have a generator, buy a carbon monoxide detector. They are cheap.

(And like the previous poster, I apologize if this post is off-topic; but carbon monoxide poisoning, although uncommon, does happen more often after storms than at other times, and with a detector it is for the most part preventable.)

I know its a great convienience to have a generator in a time like this, but sometimes i wonder if the risk is worth it. My neighbour has one, its loud and i can smell the gas from my house. To me its a very scary machine to have, granted i just went four days without power and no where to go because of flooding because of Katrina.

On a side note, i remember earlier in the season, we were voting on the hurricane names that scare us this season, who would have guessed a sweet innocent name like Katrina would turn out to be like this.

On another side note, I will never use the term "minimal hurricane again". After what i went through this weekend, Katrina really slapped us around here in South Miami Dade County. One lesson learnt, when there is a hurricane warning, take it very seriously.

(Weather Watcher)

Mon Aug 29 2005 09:20 PM

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I saw this forecast for the buoy offshore of Biloxi, MS. It was predicting a 70 foot wave height (I hope I saw that correctly, actually I hope the model was very wrong).

http://www.stormsurf.com/cgi-bin/4cast.cgi?ID=wna.42007

(Senior Storm Chaser)

Mon Aug 29 2005 09:23 PM

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Katrina made landfall a little further west than Camille, the larger size of the eye probably allowed for the surge to be higher in Gulfport.

So they both hit the loop current in about the same place, about the same time of year, and the intensity increases were along a similar timeframe.

(Verified CFHC User)

Mon Aug 29 2005 09:24 PM

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Quote:

I saw this forecast for the buoy offshore of Biloxi, MS. It was predicting a 70 foot wave height (I hope I saw that correctly, actually I hope the model was very wrong).

I read earlier today or last night in this thread that one of the bouys in the gulf was damaged (in Ivan?) and has been malfunctioning since then. Not sure if that's the one, though. Can anyone confirm?

(Weather Guru)

Mon Aug 29 2005 09:31 PM

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They are showing some arial shots on the news...a neighborhood in LA...water to the roofs...unbelievable & I'm afraid it will only be worse after they're able to access more areas.

damejune2

(Storm Tracker)

Mon Aug 29 2005 09:32 PM

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Someone mentioned "Rick on a boat in Mobile" earlier. He posted i think yesterday and said he was off the boat and 30 miles inland with some friends. I hope he is ok too. What about the man from Hattiesburg who posts on here; any word from him?

I just checked the mods.......Danny is from Hattiesburg....i pray that he is ok....he is a good man.

(Weather Watcher)

Mon Aug 29 2005 09:32 PM

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Could you please forward the link for the aerial shots so we can view them?
Thanks.

(Weather Guru)

Mon Aug 29 2005 09:36 PM

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Don't have a link...watching Fox News...guess they could be on their website...politics aside they have been doing decent coverage as far as pictures, etc..they had about 7 reporters scattered all along the coast from LA to AL.

(Weather Guru)

Mon Aug 29 2005 09:36 PM

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I sure hope it is wrong. Mobile is flooded and they are just hoping it doesn't continue to rise. I heard at least 10 ft of water downtown, can anyone confirm that?

Jeffmidtown

(Weather Guru)

Mon Aug 29 2005 09:51 PM

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Hey folks from Atlanta...some updates from here...

Major tornadic outbreak in Eastern suburbs of Atlanta as well as on the west side of the state.

Reports are coming in of at least 7 different touchdowns and a number of warnings have been posted for the affected area. Polk & Carroll Counties are the ones under the gun and according to WSB-TV there was a two car wreck in Carroll County during the Tornado Warning in which one person was killed.

luki

(Verified CFHC User)

Mon Aug 29 2005 09:52 PM

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can anyone please give me info on pcola,or maybe direct me to link? My hubby works out there just off Blue Angel Highway,hes building some new condos there,he obviously didnt go to work today due to katrina,he is still here in jax with me and we are looking for info so we know weather or not hell even be able to work tomorrow,i havent been able to find any info on outages road closures or anything. any help you can give is appreciated.

sorry if im posting this in the wrong place

(Senior Storm Chaser)

Mon Aug 29 2005 09:53 PM

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I sure hope it is wrong. Mobile is flooded and they are just hoping it doesn't continue to rise. I heard at least 10 ft of water downtown, can anyone confirm that?

I thought it was over 15?

Look at the photo at the top of this topic. You will not believe your eyes.

GulfBreezeFL

(Registered User)

Mon Aug 29 2005 09:56 PM

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Luki, your best bet is www.pensacolanewsjournal.com

I doubt he'll be working on Blue Angel until Wednesday is my best guess.

damejune2

(Storm Tracker)

Mon Aug 29 2005 10:05 PM

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Sorry if it's off topic but in refrence to the Blue Angel thing - I would stay home anyways and let things cool down for a few days before i went into any area effected by the Hurricane. Have him stay home and enjoy a few days R&R with you!!

OrlandoDan

(Weather Master)

Mon Aug 29 2005 10:11 PM

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I think this is of New Orleans. I just captured it off of my TV card:

(Weather Watcher)

Mon Aug 29 2005 10:18 PM

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CNN reported that from south to north, she is more than 1000 miles in length!

(Admin)

Mon Aug 29 2005 10:23 PM

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This is probably the most huh? video I've seen of the storm.

http://www.wwltv.com/perl/common/vi...82905rescue.wmv

Water is bad for vehicles, Apparently didn't get the memo.

But really, I'm starting to have that feeling that the damage was worse in some parts than we know about right now. God bless everyone there. Frank, let us know!

Link Fixed

SirCane

(Storm Tracker)

Mon Aug 29 2005 10:31 PM

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luki,

I live in Pensacola. We're doing ok here. We have a strong band going through right now off the gulf from the tail end of Katrina but it's about to taper off. There are many around town without power. I'm one of the lucky ones that has it. We've had some gusts at Hurricane force, but since we just had Dennis last month and Ivan last year, there's really not much left to get blown away except debris from the other 2 Hurricanes. Those living by the water had it worse here. The surge was pretty strong here but we're

(Weather Guru)

Mon Aug 29 2005 10:32 PM

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I'm sure it will be days before we know the full impact of this storm, last I heard on FOX news they expect the damages possibly to exceed Andrew

the yahoo.com homepage has some good photos I don't know how to post a link but if you go to the homepage you will see it

(Admin)

Mon Aug 29 2005 10:54 PM

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those looking to post pictures, I'd recommend using imageshack http://www.imageshack.us/

There you can upload an image and it will give you codes to drop it in the boards, (use the forum 1 code it lists)

Just cut and paste that into your, post, like above, and there you go!

Later on I'll gather them all up for a big gallery. We welcome your pics, ones you have taken yourself, or found elsewhere. (Try to give credit)

(User)

Mon Aug 29 2005 11:18 PM

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just watched the vid you posted about 4 posts earlier...i hope forest gump is ok

this is still a very serious storm, although obviously the worst of it is over...i hope our regulars are somehow able to check in one way or another

i gave both rick on boat and frank p my number, danny's had it for a while, so if any of them call me, i'll let all ya'll know how they fared...

Random Chaos

(Weather Analyst)

Mon Aug 29 2005 11:23 PM

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Here's a site with lots of photos of the storm. They are all copyright since they sell to newspapers and such, so you can't post copies of them, but they are available over at their site:

http://editorial.gettyimages.com/source/...p;p=1&tag=6

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Also, we have a few good satellite photos of the storm from yesterday:
NASA TERRA/AQUA from MODIS - 1915Z today: http://rapidfire.sci.gsfc.nasa.gov/gallery/?2005241-0829/Katrina.A2005241.1915.2km.jpg
NASA TERRA/AQUA from MODIS - 1700Z yesterday: http://rapidfire.sci.gsfc.nasa.gov/gallery/?2005240-0828/Katrina.A2005240.1700.2km.jpg
NASA GOES 12 from APOD: http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0508/katrina_goes12_big.jpg

Note on the MODIS images - click the "Alternate Pixel Size" links at the top to zoom in - you can zoom WAY in, but the 250m is a huge file.

--RC

pcola

(Storm Tracker)

Mon Aug 29 2005 11:30 PM

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Travel Update...Anyone trying to go west from the North Florida area can not do so at this time. The I-10 bridge in Pensacola will be closed until it is inspected for damage. This will not happen until Tuesday. Also the other bridges around Pensacola are still closed so if you know of anyone trying to head back to Mobile or MS..tell them to stay put. Also the I-10 Bayway in Mobile is closed, and the US 98 bridge in Mobile , as you probably saw, was hit by a wayward oil rig so there is no way across Mobile bay.

(Weather Watcher)

Mon Aug 29 2005 11:31 PM

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Disturbing reports coming in on CNN about people stranded on top of houses along Lake Pontratrain. A CNN reporter is on scene, and there are only two rescue boats onsite. Reporter talked with some of the people who have been rescued already, and apparently the water came up suddenly, and after the worst of the storm was over.