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Strong TS Isaac Lashing Haiti & Dominican Rep. New Watches & Warnings Issued.
      #93266 - Tue Aug 21 2012 07:55 AM

6:30 PM EDT Update 24 August 2012
Isaac is now an upper-end Tropical Storm with a well-defined center of circulation and solid banding features. In fact, within just the past few hours, there is a hint of a weak eye trying to form.

In the near term, the greatest forecast challenges for Isaac have to do with how much land interaction he is going to have, and how much of it is going to be mountainous. It is expected that the cyclone will quickly pass over western Haiti and eastern Cuba, with little serious deterioration to its core, allowing Isaac to then ride along the northern coast of Cuba, slowly restrengthening.

The above is made even a little more complicated by the fact that Isaac has been trending stronger, and heading a little more north than expected, likely in response to being much better organized this afternoon.

NHC's latest forecast is truly threading the needle, and it would not be surprising to see meaningful changes, up or down, east or west, to it, as the cyclone makes its way through this region, which basically means that everyone within and just outside the "Cone of Uncertainty" should be taking necessary precautions by this time.

Keep in mind that Isaac has tropical storm winds extending up to 185 miles from the center. This is a relatively large tropical cyclone, and a Tropical Storm Warning is now up for Andros Island, with Tropical Storm Watches up for the northwestern Bahamas, and all of the Florida Keys, the Florida east coast south of Jupiter Inlet, the Florida west coast south of Bonita Beach, Florida Bay and Lake Okeechobee. These are in addition to the watches and warnings immediately in Isaac's path.
Ciel

11 AM EDT Update 24 August 2012
Soon after the morning post, things started to turn around with Isaac, and it is now beginning to strengthen.

7:15AM EDT Update 24 August 2012
Today is 20 years to the day hurricane Andrew hit south Florida. For pure wind damage, no storm since has come close, only Katrina caused more damaged (mostly due to storm surge).

Isaac this morning has not improved much overnight, and the trend of a weak stop with some energy moving west and the center being pulled north appears to be going to continue to keep it weak at least most of today.

Because much of the energy is to the south of the reported center, Jamaica now has a Tropical Storm watch up.

Without a definitive center the actual path of Isaac will be difficult to determine, even today. Luckily, if it remains weak and disorganized, other than rain, the wind threat likely wouldn't be so great for the islands it is approaching.

On the other hand, based on recon data, the elongated axis, or "center", appears to be stair-stepping toward alignment, and as usual, if this manages to align and stack up vertically, there isn't much to prevent strengthening. It seems much more close to being stacked (or even may already be so, which would indicate a strengthening storm as it approaches the islands, which is not so good)



Bottom line, today is the day where Isaac could get its act together, and the future track hopefully will become more clear, but it hasn't done it so far this morning, although there are more signs that it may. Still, the dropsonde data indicates the surface center is north of where the flight level center is, thus the NHC's advisory position being on the north side.

11PM EDT Update 23 August 2012
There was a good good shift west with the 11PM advisory in the long term, and places it in the Central Gulf, but interestingly in the near term it shifted right (toward the keys).

There will likely be more adjustments to the track, thankfully intensity is kept low due to how weak Isaac is now, and the land interaction forecast, up until it gets into the Gulf, where it is forecast to reach hurricane strength.

Tomorrow will likely be a critical day in determining the future path of Isaac.

Those along Florida, the Gulf coast in particular, in the northern gulf, Alabama, Mississippi, and Louisiana, need to watch Isaac closely tomorrow and over the weekend. Based on the forecast, the Florida Keys are likely to have tropical storm watches issued sometime tomorrow.

There is very high uncertainty in the forecast beyond 3 days out.




"Split" systems are notoriously mind numbing to track, many times they fall apart, rarely do they come together, however the water temps are very much in favor of it bucking the odds tomorrow afternoon especially (then or probably never if it crosses Haiti)

11AM EDT Update 23 August 2012
TD#10 was upgraded to Tropical Storm Joyce, not affecting mainland land, but could approach Bermuda.

Isaac's track has not changed much, and the spread is still fairly much the same. All of Florida and the Gulf will need to watch. Isaac may be weak right now, but it is a very large system, and impacts will be felt a good distance from wherever the center passes. A large system is more capable of driving storm surge along the coast as well.

Strength wise, conditions are very good for intensification when, and if, it gets its act together.

7AM EDT Update 23 August 2012
Tropical Storm Isaac remains a large but disorganized Tropical Storm this morning, as recon failed to find an organized center overnight, and wind speed is down to 40mph. It seems to be still suffering from competing centers.

Today is a day of transition and not much will change with the future track, tomorrow becomes more interesting based on how close and how much time the system spends over Hispaniola. Conditions are expected to improve tomorrow, and Hurricane Warnings are up for Hispaniola, mainly in the southwestern part, and all of Haiti.

In the short term, jogs and center relocation will make getting a handle on the future track difficult, but the general pattern of the NHC's track seems good.

TD#10 will likely be upgraded to a Tropical Storm later today, and Bermuda is in the long range cone.

8PM EDT Update 22 August 2012
Tropical Storm Isaac is now in the Eastern Caribbean, and still moving westward around 21mph.

Isaac has remained relatively weak and disorganized today, as the center appears to not have solidified around a single vortex.

Tomorrow conditions may be more favorable for development.

Hurricane Warnings are now up for the Dominican Republic and Hurricane Watches are now up for Haiti. Eastern Cuba may see watches/warnings tomorrow.

The NOAA Gulfstream jet did not fly today, but will tomorrow, so model runs starting Friday should be a bit better. initialized.

Anywhere in the cone should keep track of what Isaac is doing. Hopefully by the time it nears Hispaniola a better trend (west, east, current) can be found for future movement.

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9:15 AM EDT Update 22 August 2012
96L is likely to become TD#10 today, this storm will likely stay out to sea.

7:00 AM EDT Update 22 August 2012

Tropical Storm Issac is currently about 280 miles east of the Lesser Antilles this morning, and moving westward around 18 miles per hour. It will likely cross the northeastern Caribbean islands this afternoon, and be in the northeastern Caribbean, the forecast takes it to hurricane status by the time it is south of Puerto Rico. Because of the proximity to Puerto Rico at the time, and it being in the cone, Hurricane Watches are now up for Puerto Rico and the US Vrigin Islands. The closest approach to Puerto Rico should be around Tomorrow Afternoon.

Beyond that, it is forecast to approach the island of Hispaniola, still as a hurricane, so Hurricane watches have been raised for the Dominican Republic. Saturday morning is when it should be near Hispaniola.




The forecast then takes it briefly across the western part of Haiti, and eastern Cuba, approaching the Bahamas and potentially Florida after that. Central and South Florida is in the cone as of this morning, but so is Jamaica, and the Northern Bahamas. It remains prudent to watch beyond the Hurricane Watch areas, but much could change that far out. Still, based on the official Hurricane track, if Isaac were to approach South Florida, conditions would deteriorate late Sunday Afternoon and Evening and landfall would likely be Monday morning is when it would be near South Florida, if it were to approach there as a borderline cat 1/2 hurricane.

Intensity forecasts are usually off and the strength of the system could be weak or strong based on exactly how much land interaction occurs with Hispaniola. Many systems have been torn up by the mountains there, never to fully recover.

Last year, another I storm, Irene was also forecast toward Florida at this point (See the forecast history for Irene (2011)), this one is in a similar spot, but conditions around it are different from last year. This is brought up to show that the forecast can change, and to keep watching it over the next few days, by the time it nears Hispaniola there should be a better idea of the eventual track of the system. You should have already prepared for hurricane season much earlier this year.

In short, those in the watch area need to prepare for a possible hurricane (PR/VI and Hispaniola), and those in the Bahamas, Cuba, and Florida need to keep tabs on this system especially as it nears Hispaniola.

The models will shift west and east over time, even the Gulf of Mexico to Carolinas cannot be ruled out, anywhere in the cone should be watching the system very closely.

4:30 PM EDT Update 21 August 2012
Based on recon reports and the best track update, TD#9 is to be upgraded shortly to Tropical Storm Isaac.

Original Update


Invest 94L has acquired sufficient convective organization to be classified as a tropical depression, and advisories have begun on Tropical Depression Nine.

Because of the forward speed, Tropical Storm Warnings have been raised for the Lesser Antilles islands of Dominica, Guadeloupe, Desirade, Les Saintes, Marie Galante, St. Martin, St. Kitts, Nevis, Antigua, Montserrat, Anguilla, and Barbuda.

Tropical Storm Watches are up for Saba, St. Eustatius, Saba, St. Eustatus, along with the British and US Virgin Islands. Puerto Rico, Veques, and Culebra.

TD9 has a solid structure with which to build on, and is now efficiently fending off dry air entrainment. Consequently, further development is likely, and Nine will probably become Tropical Storm Isaac later this morning, or afternoon.

The forecast is for a hurricane to be in the eastern Caribbean on Thursday, and moving still fairly quickly to the west, potentially interacting with the Dominican republic or Haiti on Friday, and possible moving near Cuba Saturday into Sunday. Beyond that is lounge discussion, anywhere in the cone should watch the progress of this system very closely. This storm is in a similar position and setup to Irene from last year, so in reality, if it survives the northern Caribbean islands, those in the US from south Florida on up the coast may want to keep track of it. Puerto Rico and the US VI are in the Tropical Storm watch area.

Invests 95L & 96L continue slowly organizing. With 95L just south of Texas, and at least a 30% chance of becoming a tropical depression or storm within the next 48 hours, this is the most concerning of the two. 96L is following on the heels of Nine, but is several days away from becoming any potential threat to land masses.

Discussion on (now) TD 9 has been lively in the Forecast Lounge .

Flhurricane French Antilles Radar Recording of Isaac approach - Alternate View

Long Term RBTOP Satellite Float of Isaac (2012) -- Alternate style

StormCarib Reports from the Caribbean Islands

Caribbean Weather Observations

Barbados Brohav Weather Fax

Caribbean Broadcast Corporation (TV/Radio from Antilles)

San Juan, PR Radar Long Range Radar Loop ( Latest Static)

Various Caribbean Radio Stations

East Florida Links Southeast Composite Radar Loop (Latest Static) South to North:

Key West, FL Radar Long Range Radar Loop ( Latest Static)

Miami, FL Radar Long Range Radar Loop ( Latest Static)

Melbourne, FL Radar Long Range Radar Loop ( Latest Static)

Jacksonville, FL Radar Long Range Radar Loop ( Latest Static)


Caribbean/South East Coast Satellite Imagery


SFWMD Radar Loop of South Florida with storm Track


SFWMD Full Florida Radar Loop with Storm Track


Area Forecast Discussions: FLorida Keys - Miami/South Florida - Melbourne/East Central Florida - Jacksonville/Northeast Florida -

Northeast Gulf Links Southeast Composite Radar Loop (Latest Static)

Tampa Bay, FL Radar Long Range Radar Loop ( Latest Static)

Key West, FL Radar Long Range Radar Loop ( Latest Static)

Mobile, AL Radar Long Range Radar Loop ( Latest Static)

Tallahassee FL Radar Long Range Radar Loop ( Latest Static)

Northwest Florida Radar Long Range Radar Loop ( Latest Static)

Gulf of Mexico Satellite Imagery

SFWMD Full Florida Radar (Includes east LA, MS,AL) Loop with Storm Track

Area Forecast Discussions: Mississippi/Alabama/Pensacola - Panhandle/Tallahassee - Tampa/West Central Florida

North Gulf Links North Gulf/Southern Mississippi Valley Composite Radar Loop (Latest Static) East to West:

Mobile, AL Radar Long Range Radar Loop ( Latest Static)

New Orleans, LA Radar Long Range Radar Loop ( Latest Static)

Lake Charles, LA Radar Long Range Radar Loop ( Latest Static)

Houston/Galveston, TX Radar Long Range Radar Loop ( Latest Static)

Gulf of Mexico Satellite Imagery

Area Forecast Discussions: Mississippi/Alabama/Pensacola - New Orleans, LA - Lake Charles, LA - Houston/Galveston, TX

Issac Event Related Links
AL092012mltsth.gif
Animated Skeetobite Model Plot of Isaac
SFWMD Model Plot (Animated Model Plot) SFWMD Hurricane Page (More Tracking Information)
Clark Evans Track Model Plot of Isaac (Animated!)
Clark Evans Intensity Model Plot of Isaac (Animated!)
Clark Evans Top 10 Analog Storms for Isaac
More model runs on from RAL/Jonathan Vigh's page
NRL Info on Isaac -- RAMMB Info

Floater Satellite Images: Visible (Loop), IR (Loop), WV (Loop), Dvorak (Loop), AVN (Loop), RGB (Loop), Rainbow (Loop), Funktop (Loop), RB Top Loop)


Joyce Event Related Links
AL102012mltsth.gif
Animated Skeetobite Model Plot of Joyce
SFWMD Model Plot (Animated Model Plot) SFWMD Hurricane Page (More Tracking Information)
Clark Evans Track Model Plot of Joyce (Animated!)
Clark Evans Intensity Model Plot of Joyce (Animated!)
Clark Evans Top 10 Analog Storms for Joyce
More model runs on from RAL/Jonathan Vigh's page
NRL Info on Joyce -- RAMMB Info

Floater Satellite Images: Visible (Loop), IR (Loop), WV (Loop), Dvorak (Loop), AVN (Loop), RGB (Loop), Rainbow (Loop), Funktop (Loop), RB Top Loop)


97L Event Related Links
AL972012mltsth.gif
Animated Skeetobite Model Plot of 97L
SFWMD Model Plot (Animated Model Plot) SFWMD Hurricane Page (More Tracking Information)
Clark Evans Track Model Plot of 97L (Animated!)
Clark Evans Intensity Model Plot of 97L (Animated!)
Clark Evans Top 10 Analog Storms for 97L
More model runs on from RAL/Jonathan Vigh's page
NRL Info on 97L -- RAMMB Info

Floater Satellite Images: Visible (Loop), IR (Loop), WV (Loop), Dvorak (Loop), AVN (Loop), RGB (Loop), Rainbow (Loop), Funktop (Loop), RB Top Loop)


Edited by cieldumort (Fri Aug 24 2012 06:59 PM)


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Re: TD#9 Forms East of the Caribbean [Re: MikeC]
      #93269 - Tue Aug 21 2012 09:01 AM

Added radar recording:

Flhurricane French Antilles Radar Recording of TD#9 approach - Alternate View



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Re: TD#9 Forms East of the Caribbean [Re: MikeC]
      #93274 - Tue Aug 21 2012 12:37 PM

NHC held off on giving Nine a name at the 11:00 Advisory, as the cyclone passed by a buoy sporting not very impressive pressure and wind. This is most likely largely due to the fact that a little bit of dry air, being introduced from some moderate northeastly shear, is still in play. Persistent deep convection has continued to be displaced to the northwestern, southwestern and southeastern quadrants.

Recon is now en route to the system, and we should be getting quality, reliable data from inside Nine within the next hour or so.


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Re: TD#9 Forms East of the Caribbean [Re: cieldumort]
      #93281 - Tue Aug 21 2012 03:15 PM

Recon reporting flight level winds of 40 mph and surface winds at 35 with pressure down to 1005 mb. Based on that we should be elevated to a TS at the next advisory.

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Re: TD#9 Forms East of the Caribbean [Re: Mozart]
      #93282 - Tue Aug 21 2012 03:34 PM

Product: Air Force Vortex Message (URNT12 KNHC)
Transmitted: 21st day of the month at 19:17Z
Aircraft: Air Force Aircraft (Last 3 digits of the tail number are 307)
Tropical Depression: Number 9 (flight in the North Atlantic basin)
Mission Number: 1
Observation Number: 09
A. Time of Center Fix: 21st day of the month at 18:58:40Z
B. Center Fix Coordinates: 15°20'N 53°20'W (15.3333N 53.3333W)
B. Center Fix Location: 448 miles (722 km) to the ENE (70°) from Bridgetown, Barbados.
C. Minimum Height at Standard Level: Not Available
D. Estimated (by SFMR or visually) Maximum Surface Wind: 40kts (~ 46.0mph)
E. Location of the Estimated Maximum Surface Wind: 20 nautical miles (23 statute miles) to the ENE (61°) of center fix
F. Maximum Flight Level Wind Inbound: From 146° at 44kts (From between the SE and SSE at ~ 50.6mph)
G. Location of Maximum Flight Level Wind Inbound: 21 nautical miles (24 statute miles) to the ENE (60°) of center fix
H. Minimum Sea Level Pressure: 1005mb (29.68 inHg) - Extrapolated
I. Maximum Flight Level Temp & Pressure Altitude Outside Eye: 24°C (75°F) at a pressure alt. of 304m (997ft)
J. Maximum Flight Level Temp & Pressure Altitude Inside Eye: 25°C (77°F) at a pressure alt. of 246m (807ft)
K. Dewpoint Temp (collected at same location as temp inside eye): 25°C (77°F)
K. Sea Surface Temp (collected at same location as temp inside eye): Not Available
L. Eye Character: Not Available
M. Eye Shape: Not Available
N. Fix Determined By: Penetration, Radar, Wind and Pressure
N. Fix Level: 1,500 feet
O. Navigation Fix Accuracy: 0.02 nautical miles
O. Meteorological Accuracy: 2.5 nautical miles
Remarks Section - Remarks That Were Decoded...
Maximum Flight Level Wind: 44kts (~ 50.6mph) in the northeast quadrant at 18:51:00Z
Sea Level Pressure Extrapolation From: Below 1,500 feet
Remarks Section - Additional Remarks...
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Re: TD#9 Forms East of the Caribbean [Re: MikeC]
      #93284 - Tue Aug 21 2012 04:12 PM

I would think it prudent for the entire Archipelago, up to the Florida Straight and the Bahamas out in time, needs to monitor this system closely.

The immediate 72 hours show that the models are pretty tightly clustered around a notion that would take the TC to just So of Puerto Rico. There after the usual divergence quickly ensues and solutions range from S of Cuba (and weak) like the Euro, to rather heavily developed and a threat to Florida and SE U.S. It is way too early to be certain which reality comes to bare regarding this TD's fate.

This isn't the only system to monitor. Their is an impressive vortex signature involved with 96L.

Edited by typhoon_tip (Tue Aug 21 2012 04:43 PM)


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Re: TD#9 Forms East of the Caribbean [Re: typhoon_tip]
      #93285 - Tue Aug 21 2012 04:19 PM

Very true... a system behind what will most likely be Isaac soon... a system that will most likely become Joyce.

The NRL has a wide path it covers as a possible track. Isaac could easily begin to move more wnw and then bend back. Where and if and how it deals with Hispaniola is one of the biggest questions.

There is also a track due west ... we all look at the middle of the cone which looks aimed at South Florida but it's a wide cone and it's still five to six days out.

During that time, as I have said to many... it's time to prepare, go over your supplies, plans...evaluate them and document things... because if Isaac doesn't affect you another storm might.

This is not hyping, it's being practical. Easier to cram for a final in college, than it is to run around preparing for a storm when everyone else has already gone shopping.

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Re: TD#9 Forms East of the Caribbean [Re: LoisCane]
      #93286 - Tue Aug 21 2012 04:32 PM

Best track implies an upgrade at 5pm, we will see shortly.

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Re: TD#9 Forms East of the Caribbean [Re: MikeC]
      #93287 - Tue Aug 21 2012 04:55 PM

Yep, Isaac officially -

LOCATION...15.4N 53.9W
ABOUT 500 MI...810 KM E OF GUADELOUPE
MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...40 MPH...65 KM/H
PRESENT MOVEMENT...W OR 275 DEGREES AT 17 MPH...28 KM/H
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...1006 MB...29.71 INCHES


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Re: TD#9 Forms East of the Caribbean [Re: typhoon_tip]
      #93291 - Tue Aug 21 2012 08:10 PM

Issac should start getting better organized each day till it gets close to Hispaniola in 3 days. Could reach hurricane strength in 2 days south of Puerto Rico. The dry air is almost gone.. slight ENE wind shear but shouldn't be much of a factor. Question after 3 days from this post is how close it gets to Hispaniola. Ridge to it's N should keep this going around 275-285wobbles in deg. I won't say here what I think will happen in Days 4 or 5 cause that is for the forecast lounge.

Speaking of which.. I recommend that we open up the general forum more on short term predictions out to 3 days but with people giving logical reasons. The site has greatly diminished over the years... alot has to do with people not wanting to post their forecast in another forum here. If we open it up more to what I said above.. the fan base for the site will increase somewhat... but again.. keep it to a 3 day or less forecast with reasons why they think it will happen. Days 4 and longer should remain in the forecast lounge.. Maybe call the other forum . Long Range Predictions

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Re: TD#9 Forms East of the Caribbean [Re: scottsvb]
      #93293 - Tue Aug 21 2012 09:02 PM

I believe much of the traffic reduction has some to do with competing forums, but mainly that since 2005 the TC threat frequency to the the SE U.S. and the Florida area has greatly diminished. In 2005, Florida was like the proving ground at an air force missile testing site, as nature dealt them salvo after salvo of whacks upside the head. Immediately the next season there were no threats; and I noticed straight away the traffic was halved immediately, the next year halved again.

During 2005 it was crowded and often unruly on CFHC. Even with the best of Moderator attention, free-speculation devoid of much Meteorological value was too often flown. The problem here is that we want to be a reputable source that can be trusted, as much as serves to provide both entertainment, and a nexus for enthusiasts and educated alike. It is difficult to placate the novice with an itchy trigger finger while aspiring to that goal.

Personally I do not see any harm in perhaps adopting a "Scorched Earth" policy where certain postings are allowed during quiescent times, then limits are imposed during tense storm monitoring. But I am not sure that is plausible with the current staff of Admins and Moderators having alternate lives, and do this voluntarily.

That's about all we need to say about this; if we would like to continue the discussion, we can definitely take it off line. Perhaps include Mike or another Admin with your concerns - they are not without merit.

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Re: TD#9 Forms East of the Caribbean [Re: typhoon_tip]
      #93296 - Wed Aug 22 2012 04:34 AM

Looks like the winds have increased to 45mph, with pressure at 1003 mb based on the 22/7:12:00Z Vortex Message.

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Re: TD#9 Forms East of the Caribbean [Re: JoshuaK]
      #93303 - Wed Aug 22 2012 09:54 AM

Based on the timing and assuming the forecast track holds, storm/hurricane watches for south Florida could go up as early as late Friday Evening or Saturday morning.

Florida Keys recommendations for non-visitors to leave could be as early as tomorrow afternoon or Friday. Link: Monroe County EM and and floridadisaster.org

Timing of the actual storm would be late Sunday or Monday morning in extreme south Florida.


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Re: TD#10 Forms in Atlantic [Re: JoshuaK]
      #93305 - Wed Aug 22 2012 09:55 AM

NHC has triggered an upgrade to system 96L.
Advisories on Tropical Depression 10 should be posted shortly.


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Re: TD#10 Forms in Atlantic [Re: danielw]
      #93306 - Wed Aug 22 2012 09:59 AM

The NOAA Gulfstream IV (High Altitude Jet, nicknamed Gonzo) will possibly be flying later today and for sure tomorrow, which will help greatly with model forecasts as it samples the area in front of and around the storm (not the storm itself, usually)

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Re: TD#9 Forms East of the Caribbean [Re: MikeC]
      #93307 - Wed Aug 22 2012 10:38 AM

I'm still a bit concerned with the Euro staying on the more southerly track. It has been that way for several runs. People in the northern gulf please dont let your guard down, because if the Euro track verifies we are looking at a strong system...FL is not a lock yet though most likely. We will know tomorrow most likely if it pulls north early or if the Euro is right

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Re: TD#10 Forms in Atlantic [Re: MikeC]
      #93309 - Wed Aug 22 2012 10:43 AM

The better news with Isaac this morning is that it's relatively unorganized at the surface, which likely means it'll stay weaker for most of the day.

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Re: TD#10 Forms in Atlantic [Re: MikeC]
      #93312 - Wed Aug 22 2012 10:57 AM

Which it would seem the more W track?Still moving at a good clip hence the high is strong to the N.This storm is going to be painful it seems for someone.

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Re: TD#10 Forms in Atlantic [Re: javlin]
      #93313 - Wed Aug 22 2012 11:12 AM

Watch the recon fixes, currently a bit north of the forecast (but south of yesterday's forecast), but mainly due to wobbles, the lounge talks about the models more, but there may be some corrections to the west and probably back east later, but until the System is inside the Caribbean and near Hispaniola, a lot of the tracks will be suspect, including the idea of it moving further westward.

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Re: TD#9 Forms East of the Caribbean [Re: WeatherNut]
      #93314 - Wed Aug 22 2012 11:28 AM

Quote:

I'm still a bit concerned with the Euro staying on the more southerly track.




Ernesto tracked south of the NHC prediction, when he was in the same area as Isaac Jamaica was in the cone:
http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/archive/2012/graphics/al05/loop_5W.shtml

Granted condition changes, so this pattern may not hold, but a more southerly track would not be unreasonable. Especially if Isaac stays weak and a trip over the mountains (Haiti/Cuba) could make such a track very plausible.

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