Anton Ross
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Watching MythBusters intead of broadcast TV.
What cute quote?
/Inquiring minds wanna know
//Anton = that guy
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"A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties; no religious basis is necessary.
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DebbiePSL
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Why is everyone so quick to blame our president ? You have people elected by the state to represent them, The Mayor was urged to evacuate but didn't act quick enough for legal reasons? What is he doing now other than cussing and ranting? I was hit by 2 hurricanes last year and from experience I can tell you things don't happen immediately it takes time. I was hit directly by and Jeanne and it was bad enough but nothing to compare to this horror, but still things did not happen immediately. The floods were a factor and hinderance,The Gov. of Mississippi has handled things very well I think and my hat is off to him, and you can visually see him out there helping his communities and not sitting somewhere on a phone screaming and ranting
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weatherwatcher2
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Amen! I agree wholeheartedly! The comment was from an artist that I dont recall. he said "George Bush hates black people"! this was on the relief concert.
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Jeffmidtown
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What I thought was funny and long overdue was the total evisceration of Sean "Cutie Pie" Hannity by Shepherd Smith and Geraldo Rivera. Sure, Sean can sit in the New York studios enjoying all the creature comforts of life and spout his drivel and try to continue to say that help is there, help is there, but when you look on split scren and see Shepherd Smith yelling at him saying that these people still cant cross into Jefferson Parsih where there's water and food and medical help and electricity and them being told nothing still, and you then see Geraldo Rivera holding a 10-month old child n his arms basically stating to Hannity that this was reality, it was incredible.
Maybe Hannity needs to do some shows down in NoLa this week and he'll see first hand what really is going on and he won't be able to blithely dismiss what he is having to see 23 hours a day.
Just my .02 worth
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Londovir
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It was singer Kanye West, and he nauseates me. A relief concert is not the place to go off on a half-nut rant against the President, calling him a racist on national television.
Kanye can go take a flying leap off the nearest tall building without a parachute. This relief concert is intended to be a place to get people to open their wallets and their cupboards and give to the needy. What the heck good does it serve to risk ticking off half the viewership by spewing something very close to hate speech?
I sat there stunned, much like Mike Myers did standing next to West. I'm sorry, call the President naive perhaps, maybe disbelieving, maybe even slow - but you need to show me some proof before you can stand there on MY tv set and call the President racist.
I don't know what media West is referring to, but everytime I've seen the media refer to someone as a looter, that person, regardless of color of skin, was carrying a freaking TV set, stereo, basket of shoes. They were shooting freaking sniper shots at rescue helicopters.
I hope they shove West off the tv, shove him off the radio, and just get him the heck out of the limelight. His s**t doesn't deserve to be given any attention right now.
Phew! I feel much better now. ;-)
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Anton Ross
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Sounds like I didn't miss much.
MythBusters was far more energizing for me...I think I am saturated by all the stuff at this point.
I do consider myself to be lucky, of course...since I am only saturated by media, and not H20.
Poor NoLa.
I must be old...since I have no idea who Kanye West is.
There are plenty of things to call the president, but labeling him a racist on national TV is pretty stupid. No class. I agree.
Nonetheless, the people our president appointed to be in charge of some serious jobs don't seem to have a clue about what they are doing, or what has happened.
Let's talk about the response time of the agencies who a) are responsible for just this type of emergency/disaster, b) saw it coming 48 hours in advance, and c) have warplans on this exact scenario going back 20 years.
It didn't take a genius to realize that 75,000 refugees will need food and water within 24-48 hours. passed on Monday, and the infrastructure should have been on standby from Sunday. Instead, we have the director of FEMA getting the ball rolling on Wednesday, with the resultant aid arriving today (Friday). Instead of 1-2 days of strife, the people affected have endured 5 days, and there's probably more to come.
That's my main beef. My other beef about Bush is about being a leader...showing the public you care enough to return to the office from your vacation. Come back on Monday, not Wednesday after you've made PR stops. And it's trivial in comparison to the physical aid that should have been mobilized by mid-day Monday.
We knew it was coming, we watched it come and go, and it still took 2 more days for the first steps to be taken.
Inexcusable.
/Rant over
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DebbiePSL
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I still say the so called Mayor dropped the ball, pleaded with him to evacuate immediately and he didn't. The Gov. doesn't have a clue what to do or how. They didn't anticipate the Levee breach and massive flooding which caused added complications. It is easy to judge and place blame,truth is had total evacuation taken place when it should have the need to rescue people in NO from rooftops would not have been necessary. That would have left valuable time for rescue of those trapped under rubble and In homes that were flooded. Perhaps even the looting would not have been so bad because no one would have been in the city to do the looting. As I stated in an earlier post it takes time even if they are staged in a location waiting to aid people I saw that myself last year, they can't come in until it is safe, they must sit up, and when millions need help it is overwhelming to say the least. Last year we went 3 times the day after we were hit for ice and water and it was gone. So many people needed it. If it hadn't been for Publix and Wal-Mart sitting up trucks of ice and water to help out, we might not have ever gotten ice or water. NO is flooded and these companies can't do that to help right now so that in itself makes a difference. Maybe our government wasn't prepared for something of this magnitude, how many would be ?? Would you?? Or like so many others do you think this will never happen to you? It could happen next week to me, but I for one will not stay and ride it out. Just my 2 cents
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hunterdm
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MY Hat is off to Shep Smith, he yelled at Bill Oreilly too. He is very serious about this, as he should be!
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Anton Ross
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THIS bears repeating (from an earlier newscast):
"And for the entire time Bush was in the state," the congressman said, "a ban on helicopter flights further stalled the delivery of food and supplies."
I have never been so pissed off in my life. I never thought I would see the day when American citizens were allowed to die so the POTUS could have a goddamned photo op with some little girls who had already been rescued. I never thought I'd see the day when the American government failed so absolutely to respond to a tragedy on their own l. Nor the day when the poor, the sick, and the old were left to survive an elemental catastrophe in the richest, most powerful nation on the planet.
I really never believed it would come to this, but here we are.
I am ashamed. And angry.
/Contributed $$$ though
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A Reader
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There ya go, blaming the mayor and govenor.
This emergency is a federal emergency, an emergency far beyond the scope of local capabilities. They need federal help and that help only just today beagn arriving. I blame the feds who are headed up by b**h, and you blame the victims. Sad.
Like I said, if you are in hurricane land, don't count on help from the feds, unless you know somebody.
And for those who take umbrage at b**h being "ATTACKED", wel, he is a big boy, and as Harry Truman said: " If you can't stand the heat stay out of the kitchen". Defend b**h all you want, it makes no difference to me. I know he screwed up, and he will pay.
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AOKN
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The people are being looted of their right of being protected as US citizens as they find themselves in dire straits. Who is at fault for that? I think it is the same people tha have left them to starve and at the same time call them looters! What would anyone do under the same circumstances? and what`s the big deal if they loot or not? If I had any say I would enforce concentration on the matter at hand: help those poor bastards out of there pronto, that is, and with a nice(looted) cold beer too! God knows one could use one in that hell heated hole.
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DebbiePSL
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Not defending the president but if the shoe fits let them wear it. all the pointing fingers and blaming each other is doing nothing other than giving the media more fuel to keep the fire going. The reaction of everyone is exactly what the media hopes for. Don't get me wrong on the most part they have done a good job the word is out there and people can see what is truely happening to the people of NO. But its not saving anyone ,causing anger and disgust wont save the people who desperately need help.
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A Reader
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Workable solutions? You want workable solutions? So do I.
What the feds have done is not working, or are you of the opinion it is? If so, you are so out of touch with the situation that talking with you is of no use.
A major city was forecasted, a week ago right here on Flhurricane.com, to get hit by a possible Cat 5 Cane, and food and water are just now arriving a week after that forecast. Thems the facts.
I will not blame the victims of this hurricane for the mess. Most of the people now suffering were poor people who had no way to evacuate. They are the victims and the federal government should have been on the ball a whole lot quicker.
Really, the area around New Orleans should be one of the richest in the world, seeing as all that oil lies literally at their feet. But no, they are poor, and as we see, unprotected. And most of the people there work to support the oil industry. We should have protected them better, we owed them that, at least.
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More fuel to the fire.
Only because the media has told the world half the story has the attention of the 'Powers That Be' been focused on the situation. Finally, water and food have arrived, hospital patients are being evacuated, and law is being restored. Thank gawd for the Media!
I am not causing anger or disgust from the people of New Orleans. But if you ask them, the feds are. Lord, if I ever get caught up in such a situation, I hope somebody tells my story so that help may come.
Glad to see you stopped blaming the victims, that is a start.
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DebbiePSL
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If you read my post that is what I said and I have never blamed any victims, I blame others that should have started mandatory evacuations when told to do so but for legal reasons chose not to.
there will be plenty of blame to pass around later from the bottom to the top, IMO this is not the time to do that. Focus needs to be on helping the people
Edited by DebbiePSL (Sat Sep 03 2005 01:45 AM)
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DebbiePSL
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Hopefully alot of lessons will be learned. I myself have been guilty of struggling with the decision, do I go? or do I stay? After being hit head on by 2 hurricanes in 3 weeks last year and thankfully they were not near as bad as (but bad enough) Believe me after watching the horror and destruction unleashed on those people on the Gulf Coast, I for one learned a valuable lesson. I will go without hesitation. Had not been as bad, I might have been one of those that thought , I survived 2 last year, so I will ride this one out.
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emackl
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Here's what I think. It's the city officials and State Governments responsibility to have evac plans is case of emergency. Obviously, N.O. had NONE! The Feds don't have time to plan these things for every major city in the US. That's the states job. The Feds have the responsibility of coming in and taking care of what the N.O. officials failed to do. However, it takes time and even more time when there is absolutely no plan, no control no person in N.O. who had even the faintest idea where to start.
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GuppieGrouper
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My experience with charlie, and Jeanne is that a lot of rats and roaches were flushed out of hiding and the storm drains were cleaned in places that had never even been known about. I am not referring to any one individual person, race or ethnic group when I am saying this. I am making a broad statement about how a catastrophic situation brings out all the hidden secrets and all the shiney nice stuff that tourists see and TV cameras see about New Orleans, Mississippi, and other Gulf states, are being revealed. The reason that it seems to be happening to one race of people is because it is the predominant race in that area(majority)rather than minority, as the Cuban Americans were the most effected by Andrew and Charlie. That was not saying that no other race or ethnic group suffered. But in the suffering, these people become known.
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kapSt.Cloud
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Did I say what is being done is "workable"? I don't think so. All I'm saying is...I'm not seeing any workable
solutions from the ones throwing barbs. And, FYI it was the mayor and the governor's responsibility first and
foremost. Are you aware that the feds cannot step in until the state officials request help? If you remember
last week-end BEFORE the storm hit, Bush, yes Bush, declared a State of Emergency. Never been done
before. Gov. Blanco WAS offered more Nat. Guard, but she only wanted 3000 troops on the ground. When it's
all said and done, this whole mess is going to fall right in the state official's laps! I still want to read how all the
Bush bashers would have done things differently. Never before have we had such a national disaster. The
aid was there...just could not move it. Hello! 80% of NO flooded... over roof tops! Rescue being shot at by
armed thugs so even boaters couldn't go in. And, there is NO excuse for looting TVs and jewelry.
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FreakedInFlorida
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Okay, no matter who's to blame why people didn't get anything quicker, I find it unfathomable that Chertoff is defending the government's slowness because they did not anticipate such a thing could happen. As has been said numerous times on this site and others years ago that this could happen and probably would. The fact that FEMA had no clue at all that the people were at the convention center starving even after the national news had been covering it for days? If this is the kind of intelligence we have in the US, we are in serious trouble if this country experiences another disaster at the hands of terrorists or nature. There is blame on all levels to go around in relation to , but it paints a scary picture of what would happen in a future emergency.
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