F
Current Radar or Satellite Image

Flhurricane.com - Central Florida Hurricane Center - Tracking Storms since 1995Hurricanes Without the Hype! Since 1995


Chill falls over the Atlantic as the official season heads towards close
Days since last H. Landfall - US: Any 233 (Idalia) , Major: 233 (Idalia) Florida - Any: 233 (Idalia) Major: 233 (Idalia)
None
COMMUNICATION
STORM DATA
CONTENT
FOLLOW US
ADS
Login to remove ads

 


News Talkback >> 2005 News Talkbacks

Jump to first unread post. Pages: 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | >> (show all)
MikeCAdministrator
Admin


Reged: Sun
Posts: 4543
Loc: Orlando, FL
Tropical Depression #3 Forms in Extreme Western Caribbean
      #37836 - Sun Jul 03 2005 05:12 PM

TD3 Update - Monday, 8PM
Tropical Depression #3 in the southern Gulf of Mexico is showing signs of better organization. Although fighting southwesterly shear throughout most of Monday, the cyclone has weathered the storm (pardon the pun). At 05/00Z I estimate the position to be 23N 89W - not quite as far west or north as the official NHC position. TD3 has slowed down a bit - probably more like 8mph rather than the earlier 13mph, and the motion, at least for the moment, seems to be due north rather than north northwest. Frankly, I'd expect a northerly or even north northeasterly motion - primarily because the expected westward extension of the mid-Atlantic ridge across Florida and into the Gulf of Mexico has not materialized as previously advertised by many of the forecast models. Given the shear (although rather light) and the lack of any significant trend toward rising pressure across Florida, I think that a more northerly course can be anticipated. If the current reorganization continues, TD3 should become a TS on Tuesday. The amount of intensification is still a problem. The slower speed gives the cyclone a greater amount of time over warm water, but if light shear continues there might only be a limited increase in strength. Unless the Atlantic ridge suddenly springs to life and extends westward, we could see some adjustments of the forecast track a little to the right. Don't take that for the gospel - I never seem to do too well with Gulf systems. ED

8AM 4.July.2005
Tropical Depression Three is over the Yucatan now. And the official track has shifted a little to the right, giving more concern to the western central Gulf coastline. Intensity forecasts still keep it a Tropical Storm, but this will need to be watched over the week.



The area near the windward islands this morning is also a potential area to develop later this week. The longer range models insist that we watch this system.

The chance for development graph for the Windward system:
Code:

forget it) 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 (sure thing)
[-------*-------------]





Original Update
The Third Tropical depression of the year has formed in the far western Caribbean, it is about to move over the Yucatan peninsula and after that, enter the southwestern Gulf of Mexico. The current focus is toward the Western Gulf Coast, and texas. Other areas east of Texas will want to keep tabs as well. Because of land interaction with the Yucatan, it is currently expected to be no stronger than a Tropical Storm.

We will be watching it.




This has spun up from the Southwestern Caribbean area that didn't look likely for development earlier in the week, but has now moved finally into an area more favorible for development. The Yucatan Peninsula will keep it in check.

Other activity is going up for this week so there may be more to watch this week. Like for example, in the Atlantic east of the Windward Caribbean islands.

For those in the US, have a good independence day holiday.

More to come later.

Event Related Links:

TD#3:
Animated Model Plot of Tropical Depression #3
Model Plot Graphic from the South Florida Water Management District of TD#3

TD#4:
Animated Model Plot of Tropical Depression #4
Model Plot Graphic from the South Florida Water Management District of TD#4



Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
Rich B
British Meteorologist


Reged: Sat
Posts: 498
Loc: Gloucestershire, England, UK
Re: Tropical Depression #3 Forms in Extreme Western Caribbean [Re: MikeC]
      #37839 - Sun Jul 03 2005 06:29 PM

Well TD 3 is here, and its only 3rd July! The depression is quite poorly organised, with what looks like a possible new centre developing just to the west-southwest of the western tip of Cuba? Interaction with land will keep this in check for the time being, with model intensities ranging really quite markedly on this one. Certainly gonna be a threat to the western / central GOM.

Also of note is the increasingly well organised wave that is approaching the Lesser Antilles. The latest TWO hints at further development of this system, which is further supported by the last few visible images. Will be interesting to see what daylight reveals about this one in the morning.

--------------------
Rich B

SkyWarn UK


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
the watcher
Unregistered




Re: Tropical Depression #3 Forms in Extreme Western Caribbean [Re: MikeC]
      #37840 - Sun Jul 03 2005 06:56 PM

whats everyones thoughts on the forecast track so far............do you think it will dramatically change.

Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
KN4LF
Unregistered




Re: Tropical Depression #3 Forms in Extreme Western Caribbean [Re: MikeC]
      #37841 - Sun Jul 03 2005 07:19 PM

As of 5:00 pm EDT we officially have T.D. #3. It should go ashore the Yucatan Peninsula shortly and if it survives will threaten the Gulf Coast west of 95 deg. W this week. It should become T.S. Cindy by Tuesday 07/05/05.

The tropical wave approaching the Windward continues to get better organized and could become T.D. #4 soon. As a future tropical cyclone Dennis it could threaten the South Florida region in approximately 6-7 days.

Take Care,
Thomas F. Giella, KN4LF
Retired Meteorologist & Space Plasma Physicist
Plant City, FL, USA
kn4lf@arrl.net

NWS Tampa Bay, FL SKYWARN Observer #HIL-249

Plant City, FL NWS CWOP Weather Station #AR692 Live Data: http://www.kn4lf.com/index1.html
Plant City, FL NWS CWOP Weather Station #AR692 3 Minute Data: http://www.kn4lf.com/index.html
Plant City, FL Daily Climatological Weather Data Archive Blog: http://www.kn4lf.com/kn4lf22.htm
Florida Daily Weather Discussion Blog: http://www.kn4lf.com/flwx1.htm
Florida Raw Weather Forecasting Product Links: http://www.kn4lf.com/kn4lf13.htm
Global Warming Refuted: http://www.kn4lf.com/kn4lf42.htm


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
Storm Cooper
User


Reged: Sat
Posts: 1290
Loc: Panama City , FL
Re: Tropical Depression #3 Forms in Extreme Western Caribbean [Re: ]
      #37845 - Sun Jul 03 2005 07:43 PM

628 PM CDT SUN JUL 03 2005
..RECONNAISSANCE AIRCRAFT INDICATES THAT TROPICAL
DEPRESSION THREE IS CONTINUING TO BECOME BETTER ORGANIZED...
..TROPICAL STORM WARNING ISSUED FOR PORTIONS OF THE YUCATAN
PENINSULA...

AT 630 PM CDT...2330Z...THE GOVERNMENT OF MEXICO HAS ISSUED A
TROPICAL STORM WARNING FOR PORTIONS OF THE EAST COAST OF THE
YUCATAN PENINSULA FROM PUNTA ALLEN SOUTHWARD TO CHETUMAL...
INCLUDING THE BANCO CHINCORRO ISLANDS.

SHORTLY BEFORE 6 PM CDT...AN AIR FORCE RESERVE RECONNAISSANCE
AIRCRAFT INDICATED THAT THE CENTRAL PRESSURE HAD DROPPED TO 1007 MB
AND THAT THUNDERSTORM ACTIVITY HAD INCREASED NEAR THE CENTER OF
CIRCULATION. IN ADDITION...THE CENTER OF THE DEPRESSION HAS
REMAINED NEARLY STATIONARY OVER THE PAST 3 HOURS. THIS MEANS THAT
THE CYCLONE WILL BE OVER WARM WATER A LITTLE LONGER THAN PREVIOUSLY
EXPECTED...WHICH MAY ALLOW IT TO REACH TROPICAL STORM STRENGTH
BEFORE IT MAKES LANDFALL LATER TONIGHT OR EARLY SUNDAY.

Sitting still... that most times is not good. Maybe a change of plans in the future?

--------------------
Hurricane Season 2017 13/7/1

Edited by Storm Cooper (Sun Jul 03 2005 07:46 PM)


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
Ryan
Storm Tracker


Reged: Tue
Posts: 281
Loc: Long Island, NY / Stuart, FL
Re: Tropical Depression #3 Forms in Extreme Western Caribbean [Re: the watcher]
      #37851 - Sun Jul 03 2005 08:47 PM

Quote:

whats everyones thoughts on the forecast track so far............do you think it will dramatically change.




my bet, it turns northward and heads for the texas/louisiana border line..i guess we'll have to watch..i do have a feeling w'lll see "welcome to The Lonestar State Cindy"

Hey man, what about Florida?


Votes accepted from (Wed Dec 31 1969 07:00 PM) to (No end specified)
View the results of this poll



--------------------
2006 Atlantic Season Summary:
Bad, But Not AS Bad.

Life's a Storm, Watch Your Back

Edited by Storm Cooper (Sun Jul 03 2005 08:51 PM)


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
Old Sailor
Storm Tracker


Reged: Mon
Posts: 293
Loc: Florida
Re: Tropical Depression #3 Forms in Extreme Western Caribbean [Re: Ryan]
      #37852 - Sun Jul 03 2005 08:56 PM

You forgot to add Mexico.

Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
ShanaTX
Storm Tracker


Reged: Mon
Posts: 226
Loc: Texas
Re: Tropical Depression #3 Forms in Extreme Western Caribbean [Re: MikeC]
      #37853 - Sun Jul 03 2005 09:27 PM

Hmmm... TD #3... possibly to be Cindy. (I feel like we're getting one of the Brady Bunch... note to self- check list for other Bradys...)

But really, we don't want a TS or Hurricane. Not even one named Cindy. Just some rain please!

Actually on topic now - it seems like alot of the weather events predicted for Texas seem to go into Mexico or Louisiana... any idea when we'll get a better idea where pre-Cindy is heading? Tuesday maybe?

Stay safe y'all!

'shana in Austin

(off-topic material removed)

Edited by Ed Dunham (Sun Jul 03 2005 11:50 PM)


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
dem05
User


Reged: Wed
Posts: 368
Loc: Port Charlotte, FL
Re: Tropical Depression #3 Forms in Extreme Western Caribbean [Re: ShanaTX]
      #37854 - Sun Jul 03 2005 09:42 PM

Interesting commentary from the TLH discussion. You may interpret however you like, but I think it is a great reminder to not focus on the skinny black line...

BIG NEWS THIS AFTN WAS THE DESIGNATION OF TROPICAL DEPRESSION THREE.
IT IS CURRENTLY ABOUT 140 MILES SOUTH OF COZUMEL MEXICO AND HAS
REMAINED NEAR STATIONARY OVER THE LAST SEVERAL HRS. IN A RECENT
UPDATE FROM THE NHC THEY STATE THAT IT MAY REACH TROPICAL STORM
STRENGTH BEFORE IT MVS INTO THE YUCATAN PENINSULA LATER TONIGHT OR
EARLY TOMORROW. THE LONG RANGE PATH FOR THE STORM TAKES IT INTO THE
UPR TX COAST BY LATER IN THE WEEK. THE RIDGE THAT WILL BUILD IN
OVER OUR AREA THE NEXT FEW DAYS SHOULD KEEP THE FLOW OVER THE
GULF FROM THE SOUTHEAST AND KEEP THE STORM IN THE WESTERN GULF. BUT
AS WITH ANY STORM...ANY INTERESTED PARTIES SHOULD REMAIN INFORMED
WITH THE LATEST UPDATES ISSUED FROM THE HURRICANE CENTER. FOR FURTHER
DISCUSSIONS AND GRAPHICS ON THIS STORM SEE HTTP://WWW.NHC.NOAA.GOV.

Discussion Link: http://www.srh.noaa.gov/fwd/productviewnation.php?pil=TAEAFDTAE&version=0

Quick P.S. for frequent readers who saw my pre Bret posts...While I was happy to see my thoughts play out with the florida trough pulling out, and the Texas Upper Low building a ridge...I admit to eating crow on my low level projections of a system forming north of the Yucatan last week. Sorry for the bad call folks.


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
danielwAdministrator
Moderator


Reged: Wed
Posts: 3525
Loc: Hattiesburg,MS (31.3N 89.3W)
Eastern Caribbean and Lesser Antilles [Re: dem05]
      #37855 - Sun Jul 03 2005 10:05 PM

New Tropical Weather Discussion is out.
TROPICAL WEATHER DISCUSSION
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
805 PM EDT SUN JUL 03 2005 (edited~danielw)

STRONG W ATLC TROPICAL WAVE IS TILTED FROM E GUYANA TO 17N53W WITH A BROAD 1012 MB LOW ALONG THE WAVE NEAR 12N57W. THE WHOLE SYSTEM IS MOVING W AT 15 KT. THIS WAVE IS BETTER ORGANIZED NOW.
BANDING-TYPE FEATURES ARE NOTED W OF THE LOW. CONVECTION WITH GUSTY WINDS ARE SPREADING OVER THE WINDWARD ISLANDS. SCATTERED MODERATE TO STRONG IS FROM 10N-14N BETWEEN 57W-64W...AND FROM 8N-13N BETWEEN 50W-56W.

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/text/refresh/MIATWDAT+shtml/040006.shtml?
http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/PS/TROP/DATA/RT/WATL/IR4/20.jpg


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
javlin
Weather Master


Reged: Wed
Posts: 410
Loc: Biloxi,MS
Re: Eastern Caribbean and Lesser Antilles [Re: danielw]
      #37856 - Sun Jul 03 2005 10:48 PM

This Dan looks to be the the one to watch in the week ahead.Plenty of real estate to travel with warm SST's abounding.The peripheral edge of the high pressure system will determine it's course for the most part.The shear in the WCarib for the most part seems to weaking also.Looks like the season may have begun a little earlier than usual.

Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
the watcher
Unregistered




Re: Tropical Depression #3 Forms in Extreme Western Caribbean [Re: MikeC]
      #37857 - Sun Jul 03 2005 10:49 PM

if the storm is moving NW it will be taking a shorter pathe across the yucatan then anticipated.......as long as it keeps moving i dont think it will affect the storm much at all....

Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
danielwAdministrator
Moderator


Reged: Wed
Posts: 3525
Loc: Hattiesburg,MS (31.3N 89.3W)
Tropical Depression #3 Update [Re: the watcher]
      #37858 - Sun Jul 03 2005 10:54 PM

TROPICAL DEPRESSION THREE DISCUSSION NUMBER 2
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
11 PM EDT SUN JUL 03 2005 (edited~danielw)

DURING THE PAST 6 HOURS...A STRONG CONVECTIVE BURST HAS DEVELOPED OVER THE LOW-LEVEL CENTER INDICATED BY THE LAST RECON REPORT...
WHICH ALSO INDICATED A CENTRAL PRESSURE OF 1007 MB -- A DROP OF 2 MB IN 2.5 HOURS. RADAR REPORTS FROM THE RECON AIRCRAFT ALSO INDICATED SIGNIFICANT BANDING HAD DEVELOPED TO THE EAST AND NORTH OF THE CENTER. GIVEN THE SHARP INCREASE IN THE CENTRAL DEEP CONVECTION...THE CYCLONE COULD EASILY BE AT TROPICAL STORM STRENGTH. THE INTENSITY WILL BE MAINTAINED AT 30 KT...DESPITE SATELLITE INTENSITY
ESTIMATES OF ONLY 25 KT..MAINLY TO SEE IF THE CURRENT CONVECTIVE TREND CONTINUES FOR ANOTHER 3 TO 6 HOURS.

Entire Discussion at this link.
http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/text/refresh/MIATCDAT3+shtml/040234.shtml

Edited by danielw (Sun Jul 03 2005 10:59 PM)


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
the watcher
Unregistered




Re: Tropical Depression #3 Update [Re: danielw]
      #37859 - Sun Jul 03 2005 11:11 PM

the NHC discussion said that the storm could possibly take a sharp turn and move eastward once it got to the tx/la coast, but didnt say how long it would move east.. does anyone know if that was to happen how far east might it go.......could possibly run across the N. GOMEX coastline............i know its way to early to tell just wondering if anyone had thoghts itwas something new in the discussion that wasnt there before
thanx, w.


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
Old Sailor
Storm Tracker


Reged: Mon
Posts: 293
Loc: Florida
Re: Tropical Depression #3 Update [Re: the watcher]
      #37860 - Sun Jul 03 2005 11:20 PM

TD#3 is not going to be a problem for Florida it that is what you are asking, However Florida problem is waiting in the wings as waves for now E. Carrib. These waves are header to Florida, as Wave, TD or TS, Cat 1 +.

Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
the watcher
Unregistered




Re: Tropical Depression #3 Update [Re: Old Sailor]
      #37861 - Sun Jul 03 2005 11:31 PM

thanks, i live in panama city FL in the pnhandle but even the waves arent good our beches cant take many more storms before it dissapears... i also have been watching the T.wave in the atlantic and it looks like it might be trouble for the gulf states later in the week..it looks pretty ominous on the infared. i figure it might become a depression in the next day or so!

Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
dem05
User


Reged: Wed
Posts: 368
Loc: Port Charlotte, FL
Re: Tropical Depression #3 Update [Re: Old Sailor]
      #37862 - Sun Jul 03 2005 11:35 PM

Since the Panhandle is now in the NHC forecast cone. This statement below is a premature one. With the hard right turn called for, this should be watched in the northern half of the State. Not guaranteed to affect the state, but it is a possibility.
Link to updated NHC Forecast graphic:
http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at3+shtml/030130.shtml?5day

Quote:

TD#3 is not going to be a problem for Florida it that is what you are asking, However Florida problem is waiting in the wings as waves for now E. Carrib. These waves are header to Florida, as Wave, TD or TS, Cat 1 +.




Edited by dem05 (Sun Jul 03 2005 11:40 PM)


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
the watcher
Unregistered




Re: Tropical Depression #3 Update [Re: dem05]
      #37863 - Sun Jul 03 2005 11:43 PM

oh. thanx for pointing that out i didnt even look at the 5 day forcast i guess if it keeps the trend of being on the right side of the track it might get pretty close and it would be over the water longer! i guess ill keep watching and waiting.. hopefully it wont make the turn, tx/la need the rain and we dont need a storm

Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
Old Sailor
Storm Tracker


Reged: Mon
Posts: 293
Loc: Florida
Re: Tropical Depression #3 Update [Re: dem05]
      #37864 - Sun Jul 03 2005 11:58 PM

I don't see the right turn till it hit landfall, reason for my statement before.

Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
danielwAdministrator
Moderator


Reged: Wed
Posts: 3525
Loc: Hattiesburg,MS (31.3N 89.3W)
Re: Tropical Depression #3 Update [Re: dem05]
      #37865 - Mon Jul 04 2005 12:07 AM

Quote:

Since the Panhandle is now in the NHC forecast cone. This statement below is a premature one. With the hard right turn called for, this should be watched in the northern half of the State. Not guaranteed to affect the state, but it is a possibility.
Link to updated NHC Forecast graphic:
http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at3+shtml/030130.shtml?5day




The "cone" that dem05 is refering to is the "Potential 4-5 day Track Area".
The "cone" has a very wide mileage error rate at 4-5 days.
...EXTENDED OUTLOOK.
NOTE...ERRORS FOR TRACK HAVE AVERAGED NEAR 250 NM ON DAY 4 AND 325 NM ON DAY 5...AND FOR INTENSITY NEAR 20 KT EACH DAY.
http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/text/refresh/MIATCMAT3+shtml/040234.shtml?text

Text version of Strike Probablities for TD3 are also available on the NHC link, on the left side of the page, or here.
http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/text/refresh/MIASPFAT3+shtml/


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
Pages: 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | >> (show all)



Extra information
0 registered and 586 anonymous users are browsing this forum.

Moderator:  MikeC, Ed Dunham, danielw 

Print Topic

Forum Permissions
      You cannot start new topics
      You cannot reply to topics
      HTML is disabled
      UBBCode is enabled

Rating:
Topic views: 26566

Rate this topic

Jump to

Note: This is NOT an official page. It is run by weather hobbyists and should not be used as a replacement for official sources. 
CFHC's main servers are currently located at
Hostdime.com in Orlando, FL.
Image Server Network thanks to Mike Potts and Amazon Web Services. If you have static file hosting space that allows dns aliasing contact us to help out! Some Maps Provided by:
Great thanks to all who donated and everyone who uses the site as well. Site designed for 800x600+ resolution
When in doubt, take the word of the National Hurricane Center