MikeC
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Mark Sudduth's report for hurricanelive.net / hurricanetrack
http://www.hurricanelivenet.com/aftermath.wmv
Ugh.
The church that is in Mark's video is at
2120 14th Street, gulfport, ms
if you want to use the google map or earth, etc to look it up as a reference.
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WiscoWx
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I wanted to quickly check in with everyone.....me and the family are safe, we are in northern MS. Reports from people who stayed behind is that basically the entire parish I live in (St. Bernard) is under water. I have heard that there is a minimum of 7 feet everywhere and that some places have as much as 15 feet of water.....i.e. it's way past the roofs. So, here I sit, far from home with nothing left and with the knowledge that it may be weeks before I get to see the ruins that used to be my home. I have no idea how to pay for a hotel room, food, bills, etc. for weeks with no job for me or my wife to go home to from what I understand. Really, it's almost surreal at this moment in time, I have no idea what's going to happen or what to expect. I know some of you went through the same thing over there in FL last year......maybe you can help me see the light in the tunnel, because right now it's pretty bleak.
Of course, me and my family have our lives, unlike many others tonight.
A really tough situation. There are folks on this board who have been down this road before (I haven't), who will be able to offer you some good advice based on experience. My understanding is that evacuees are eligible for per diems for lodging based on the President's early declaration on Saturday. Contacting the Red Cross or FEMA is probably where to start. I do know that the Red Cross has an online booklet of the financial aspects of disaster recovery at Disaster Recovery, A guide to financial issues
Good luck to you and your family. Hopefully, you will get some useful suggestions from people on the board who have a better background that I do.
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Big Red Machine
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I heard a report a little bit ago (second hand) that water is still seeping into New Orleans. According to this person on CNN about a half hour ago, the reporter said that there is at least 6 inches of new water that was not there before. If this is indeed indicative of unknown breeches in the levee... it goes without saying that we could be in deep trouble. I am sorry to be so speculative, I wish I had more concrete info, but I guess this is truly the nature of the day. If there are people still awaiting rescue, each inch is important. I hope the speculation that we were spared was not too soon. I fear it is.
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GULFPORT, Miss. (AP) -- An emergency official has confirmed that there have been at least 50 hurricane-related deaths in Mississippi's Harrison County.
Katrina blamed for at least 55 deaths
NEW ORLEANS (AP) -- Announcing itself with shrieking, 145-mph winds, Hurricane slammed into the Gulf Coast just outside New Orleans today (Monday), submerging entire neighborhoods up to their roofs, swamping Mississippi's beachfront casinos and killing at least 55 people.
Jim Pollard, spokesman for the Harrison County emergency operations center, says 50 people were killed by in his county, with the bulk of the deaths at an apartment complex in Biloxi. Three other people were killed by falling trees in Mississippi and two died in a traffic accident in Alabama.
An untold number of other people were feared dead in flooded neighborhoods in Louisiana and Mississippi, many of which could not be reached by rescuers because of high water.
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the dry air that helped weaken her is also causing damage.
SPECIAL WEATHER STATEMENT...CORRECTED FOR EXPIRATION TIME
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE BIRMINGHAM AL
1132 PM CDT MON AUG 29 2005
AUTAUGA-BIBB-BLOUNT-CHILTON-COOSA-DALLAS-ELMORE-ETOWAH-FAYETTE-
GREENE-HALE-JEFFERSON-LAMAR-LOWNDES-MARENGO-MARION-MONTGOMERY-PERRY-
PICKENS-SHELBY-ST CLAIR-SUMTER-TALLADEGA-TUSCALOOSA-WALKER-WINSTON-
1132 PM CDT MON AUG 29 2005
...DAMAGING WINDS REMAIN POSSIBLE DUE TO DRY AIR FILTERING IN ON THE
BACKSIDE OF TROPICAL STORM FOR MUCH OF CENTRAL ALABAMA...
AS TROPICAL STORM MOVES AWAY FROM THE AREA... DRY...RAIN FREE
AIR WILL RAPIDLY RUSH TO THE SURFACE AND PRODUCE WIND GUSTS TO 65 MPH
THROUGH THROUGH AT LEAST 130 PM FOR MUCH OF CENTRAL ALABAMA.
ADDITIONAL TREE AND POWER LINE DAMAGE IS HIGHLY LIKELY. THIS IS STILL
AN EXTREMELY DANGEROUS SITUATION! PLEASE DO NOT VENTURE OUT TO SIGHT
SEE...LET THE EMERGENCY RESPONDERS DO THEIR JOBS. LIVES ARE AT STAKE.
USE EXTREME CAUTION IF TRAVEL IS NECESSARY.
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BTfromAZ
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WeatherNLU: I have emailed you the FEMA disaster relief help guidebook in PDF format because I was unable to attach it to a post (apparently PDF files aren't accepted). There's a text version at http://www.fema.gov/txt/about/process/help_after_disaster_english.txt . Wish I could do more. I hope your situation is not as bad as you fear but FEMA should provide significant help if it is. I just hope they don't take too long to get to work and start helping people.
Edited by BTfromAZ (Tue Aug 30 2005 12:51 AM)
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Big Red Machine
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"By 6 p.m. on Monday, looters had shifted to heavy lifting. Young men exited the Coleman’s clothing store on Earhart Boulevard, struggling under the weight of fully laden cardboard boxes and plastic bags.
When flashing lights appeared in the distance, a man in an orange jersey shouted “Police!,” and dropped his box in Earhart’s lake-bound lane. He splashed across the opposite lane, tripped and fell in knee-deep water, then ran toward the B.W. Cooper housing development.
As the sun set, four young women slipped out of the Magnolia Discount convenience store on South Carrollton Avenue and loaded pilfered boxes into a waiting car. One woman waved at approaching vehicles." -- From Clark's New Orleans Blog Update site earlier.
From the sounds looks like increased looting. Same problem as after Andrew. Scum of the earth. There is no lower form of a human being than a looter. Earlier Gov. Barbour of MS said that he would treat looters "ruthlessly." I hope they kill them all... painfully.
Also looks like the I-10 linking St. Tammany and Orleans parishes over Lake Pontchartrain is pretty severely damaged. I'm not versed enough in New Orleans geography to know if this is the main bridge or not, but regardless it will cause a lot of headaches and make it nearly impossible for folks to get back.
For those of you who missed Clark's excellent post earlier, this is the link I got these stories from.
Click Here for the Stories .
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Clark
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Shawn, I sent you a PM with more, but hang in there. Things may look bad now, but life does go on -- we will rebuild, we will get through this. The key part is that you all are safe, as you mention, just keep the faith.
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Clark
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BRM, thanks for the additional reference to the site; I went back there and checked and there is good news for the west side of the city (near Kenner and the airport) and Old Metairie (which, if I'm not mistaken, is where Steve calls home). From what it sounds like, the flooding there is not bad enough to keep the pumps from running and they may be able to clear things out in the not too distant future.
Not so good news, though, for those outside the levee system or for that I-10 bridge. I guess it shouldn't be surprising to hear that similar damage to the Escambia Bay bridge during was realized with that bridge, but having that bridge down (and possibly the Ponchartrain causeway across the lake as well) really limits the car traffic into the region for quite some time. I can only hope that daybreak brings better news for the residents of the Gulf coast, but in some areas it is only going to get worse before it gets better.
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Big Red Machine
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80% of the city underwater.
http://www.wwltv.com/
I'd hate to see "worst case." Calls of avoiding the "Big One" definitely seem premature now.
Clark, do you have any idea why the business district is one of the few areas NOT under water? From the sounds of it, this may be just about the ONLY area that was spared?! I am flummoxed.
Edited by Big Red Machine (Tue Aug 30 2005 12:58 AM)
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BTfromAZ
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Does this help with the geography?
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Clark
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That is what I understand, that the CBD is the only area largely unaffected by surge/flooding. The levee system largely held across much of the area, but it wasn't enough to keep the surge from topping it and leading to flood waters rising 3-4' in many parts of the city. At that point, it becomes a matter of elevation. Many homes that I'm seeing (outside of east of town) look like they have the standard slanted driveways & elevation that you see across much of Florida & the US; this is leading to the roads being full of water, but the actual houses themselves being spared most water damage. I imagine this is not the case everywhere, but some people may have been spared by being just a few feet higher than somewhere else.
The CBD is about 3-7' above sea level, from what I understand and from what I can tell using Google Earth; in a city where the average elevation is about 6' below sea level and where flood waters rose, on average, 4-6'...you can see that much of the system did its job and the center of the city was spared the worst. I should qualify the statements made earlier to say that the rises of 8-15' inside the city are generally in the most low-lying areas; to the east of the city, those are true figures, but inside the city those generally apply only to the lowest of elevations (those 10' below sea level and lower).
Obviously, that's no consolation to areas just outside the city, as that is where the water is going to pile up, but hopefully those areas can start to recover as soon as possible as well.
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BTfromAZ
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Big Red: New Orleans may be a bowl but it is a bowl with lumps and bumps in the bottom. The CBD (what they call the Central Business District locally) is next to the French Quarter which is about the highest land around--a bump. If you think about it, that makes sense: the original settlers would have picked the highest ground on which to establish their settlement. They didn't have pumps and levees at first. I think over 300 years, the whole area has subsided somewhat and it is now all below sea level, but the French Quarter/CBD are still the highest land in town.
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ShanaTX
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Re the I-10 bridges... I've been to NO several times and was just there a few months ago. I know the highways and bodies of water, but heck if I know Parish boundaries!
So I looked it up. Here's the Orleans Parish, top right hand is St Tammany Parish. So that bridge is the one that is on the east side of town.
Orleans Parish
This and Google Maps should give y'all a better idea of what's where.
Oh http://www.enlou.com/no/no-neighborhoods_map.htm is a neighborhood map. Kinda weird to use.
eta ... The Mayor said it was the Twin Spans - which I think is not I-10 but the Crescent City Connection - the other bridge of the lake.
The Hi Rise - which I'm pretty sure is a bridge on I-10 has been hit by a barge and has to be checked for integrity
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Storm Hunter
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some amazing video is out there.....and if you are in the going to be in the gulfport area...keep an eye out for these little black boxes.
Now to the part about a bounty:
Mike and I were going to go to Waveland last night to set up two of our instrument/video units but did not have time due to technical issues. We instead set up all three units in and around downtown Gulfport. All three units worked well internally and recorded what has to be extraordinary video and data. But here is the problem. I could not find the units. They are called StormCases and I will post a video of what they look like later. I am offering $500.00 for the return of these Storm Cases to me with the contents inside. I will be able to access the data and video- but need the units to do so. This could really help us to understand what exactly happened as made landfall. So, if you live in Gulfport or surrounding areas or will be heading there to assist in clean-up, I am offering you $500.00 for each Storm Case that you locate with the contents inside. These are black, water tight boxes that are virtually crush-proof. So they should be safe somewhere- but among all of the debris, as you will see in the video below, we could not find them. I placed one out on Urie Pier and strapped it to a light pole near the building that used to be there. I assume that this case is lost forever. However, the other two cases should be somewhere in Gulfport. The second case was strapped to a light pole on Hwy 49 about four blocks north of Hwy 90. It is likely in the pile of debris along that main street. This is the most important unit since it will have seen the surge coming up the highway. The third case was set up at the First Baptist Church along Hwy 90- facing the Gulf. The church is now almost completely gone- but the case might be among the rubble and will yield clues as to how fast the surge came in. If someone out there finds one, email me and I'll arrange to get it back. Once I verify the contents are good- I'll send the reward money. This could make for an incredible treasure hunt- as finding the cases will mean possibly finding some answers as to how it could have been so bad. Again, I will post a video clip of what the cases look like tomorrow morning. I will have more here on and the rest of the tropics tomorrow morning as well.
http://www.hurricanetrack.com/
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MikeC
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AP hasn't picked up on Mayor Nagin's statements in that video yet, they sure paint a different picture than what they have been saying. Twin Span destroyed is major. Boats run aground, and I think I heard mention of an oil tanker run aground and leaking. Total Levee failure in the 9th ward. 80% flooding, etc. I'm not sure why.
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Big Red Machine
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I just saw a replay on CNN of an interview with reporter Jeanne Meserve in New Orleans done about 2 hours ago. This interview was one of the most chilling things I have ever heard/seen. Ms. Meserve's voice was full of emotion and it was obvious she'd been through a lot. For those who have not seen this interview, here are a few things that she said. She described seeing a live dog with live power lines wrapped around it continuously electrocuting the still living animal, she described hearing the cries of people stuck in their attics, but police were unable to help because conditions were to hazardous, she said that there were bodies floating, she described hearing the yelps of trapped dogs, highway on ramps are now boat ramps, unfortunately this was occuring in a poorer neighborhod where she was fearful people were unable to evacuate do to financial reasons or otherwise, she described seeing a woman with her leg severed off, and finally she said that she had the impression that when she returned to New Orleans water was about 6 inches higher than when she left.
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LisaMaria65
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They just issued a Lock Out for Jefferson Parish.
This means that no one will be allowed to enter Jefferson Parish until the end of the Lock Out which they stated was September 5th.
So, if you need to get anywhere in Jefferson Parish, you won't be able to until at least September 5th.
Edited to add what cities are included in Jefferson Parish:
Grand Isle
Gretna
Harahan
Harvey
Jean Lafitte
Jefferson
Kenner
Metairie
Terrytown
Westwego
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ralphfl
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The thing that gets to me is so many lost life because they would not leave.In Florida i know the same would happen also im sure but to hear now on TV about 2-3k maybe dead.All loss of life that could have been averted if people would take these things serious.We get on here and disagree about a path of a storm but NONE on here ever say stay in your home it will be ok.
We all know too well when the cone is on you get out.I hope this serves to tell people that nature is not to be messed with.This storm did not come out of the blue they should have got all those people out ahead of time but i know you cant force them all but it is so sad to see scores of death because people would not listen.
Reminds me of another story but not for this thread.
My sorrow goes out to those who lost family members.And even the pets so sad.
Edited by ralphfl (Tue Aug 30 2005 02:09 AM)
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LisaMaria65
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The thing that gets to me is so many lost life because tehy would not leave.In Florida i know the same would happen also im sure but to hear now on TV about 2-3k maybe dead.All loss of life that could have been averted if people would take these things serious.We get on here and disagree about a path of a storm but NONE on here ever say stay in your home it will be ok.
We all know too well when the cone is on you get out.I hope this serves to tell people that nature is not to be messed with.This storm did not come out of the blue they should have got all those people out ahead of time but i know you cant force them all but it is so sad to see scores of death because people would not listen.
Reminds me of another story but not for this thread.
My sorrow goes out to those who lost family members.
One thing that I have a problem with is this.
The media, even though they did some wonderful coverage, at times said things they should not have said.
At one point, they announced that certain areas like the Alabama Coast was not even in the cone anymore...
You have to wonder if people around Mobile, Gulf Shores, Dauphin Island, etc saw that and thought, well, I'm not in the cone so I don't have to leave.
Surely they realized they would get bad weather, even if the hurricane did not make that slight turn.
You just never know what people are thinking. Maybe the "It won't happen to me" attitude!
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