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trinibaje
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Re: Tropical Depression Eighteen Forms East of the Bahamas [Re: Lee-Delray]
      #54946 - Sun Sep 18 2005 01:48 PM

Quote:

My shutter guy says not to put shutters up if winds are below 80 mph, but my house is only 4 years old. He said that you're more likely to get hurt putting up shutters then having something break the windows at that point. Remember that's an opinion only.




my house is 9 years old and i agree...... just fear this thing will blow up.... Katrina gave us quite a scare and i just want to be more prepared.

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emackl
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Rita? [Re: trinibaje]
      #54947 - Sun Sep 18 2005 01:53 PM

Why does Accuweather have her already named? I just looked and it has it as Rita. Just curious

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trinibaje
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Re: Rita? [Re: emackl]
      #54948 - Sun Sep 18 2005 01:56 PM

Accuweather is really in their own world... i don't even look at them for any reliable info.. i stick to this website and to NHC. For local weather here in miami i find nbc 6 to be the best.

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Ron Basso
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Re: Tropical Depression Eighteen Forms East of the Bahamas [Re: trinibaje]
      #54949 - Sun Sep 18 2005 01:57 PM

Looks like the center of TD18 (Rita?) is about 50 miles N-NE of the NHC 11 AM position. Based on this re-location of the center, I would expect a northward track adjustment at 5PM, assuming that the originally forecasted track remains the same. This would put the landfall somewhere in the Upper Keys in about 48-60 hours. Of course, 2-3 days out there could still be some adjustment so SE FL is certainly not out of the woods by any means.

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scottsvb
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Re: Tropical Depression Eighteen Forms East of the Bahamas [Re: Ron Basso]
      #54950 - Sun Sep 18 2005 02:06 PM

where did you see it was relocated 50miles NNE of the 11am position?

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Random Chaos
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Re: Tropical Depression Eighteen Forms East of the Bahamas [Re: scottsvb]
      #54951 - Sun Sep 18 2005 02:12 PM

Here's the recon on TD18 from 1:30 EDT. It looks like they didn't find her center with max FL winds of only 17kts.

723
URNT12 KNHC 181754
VORTEX DATA MESSAGE
A. 18/17:28:20Z
B. 21 deg 54 min N
072 deg 20 min W
C. NA mb NA m
D. 15 kt
E. 149 deg 040 nm
F. 212 deg 017 kt
G. 142 deg 055 nm
H. EXTRAP 1006 mb
I. 25 C/ 304 m
J. 23 C/ 323 m
K. 23 C/ NA
L. NA
M. NA
N. 134 / 1
O. 0.02 / 3 nm
P. AF304 0218A CYCLONE OB 03
MAX FL WIND 17 KT SE QUAD 17:09:40 Z
SLP EXTRAP FROM 1500 FT.
MAX FL TEMP 25 C, 142 / 55NM

And here's the recon track: http://www.sfwmd.gov/org/omd/ops/weather/vortex.html

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BTW, remember all that insanity about number of systems we were discussing last night? NHC now has 7 listed...3 atlantic, 4 east pacific. Wow.

Edited by Random Chaos (Sun Sep 18 2005 02:16 PM)


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Lee-Delray
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Re: Tropical Depression Eighteen Forms East of the Bahamas [Re: scottsvb]
      #54952 - Sun Sep 18 2005 02:13 PM

I see some models moving south?

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Ron Basso
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Re: Tropical Depression Eighteen Forms East of the Bahamas [Re: scottsvb]
      #54953 - Sun Sep 18 2005 02:18 PM

I'm estimating it from the VIS SAT - the NHC alos mentioned it in their 11 AM disc.

THE SOUTHERLY SHEAR COULD BE FORCING SOME
REDEVELOPMENT OF THE CENTER FARTHER NORTH DURING THE NEXT DAY OR
SO...AND IN FACT IT COULD ALREADY BE SLIGHTLY NORTH OF THE ADVISORY
POSITION.

Look at the floater scottsvb, there are clouds moving CC above the "L" marker. Now whether its 30, 40, or 50 miles, have to wait for recon.

http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/PS/TROP/DATA/RT/float-vis-loop.html

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Brad in Miami
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Re: Tropical Depression Eighteen Forms East of the Bahamas [Re: Ron Basso]
      #54955 - Sun Sep 18 2005 02:29 PM

Despite Ron's suggestion of the possible satellite appearance of a NE reformation, consistent with the 2pm advisory recon found the center about .2 degrees west and .1 degree south of the 11am estimated position. So if there was a NE reformation, the movement and possible reformation (or perhaps incorrect position estimate in the 11am advisory) have evened out to W or WSW over 3 hours.

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Storm Hunter
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Re: Tropical Depression Eighteen Forms East of the Bahamas [Re: Ron Basso]
      #54956 - Sun Sep 18 2005 02:33 PM

URNT14 KNHC 181819
SUPPLEMENTARY VORTEX DATA MESSAGE
INBOUND
LAT LON jHHH TTDD ddfff
01209 10715 10009 12523 21015
02211 20716 20009 22524 21016
03213 30719 30008 32523 21015
04214 40721 40008 42523 24014
05217 50722 50008 52423 24014
MF212 M0717 MF017
OBS 01 AT 17:03:20Z
OBS 05 AT 17:23:20Z
OBS 01 SFC WND 22010
OUTBOUND
LAT LON jHHH TTDD ddfff
01221 10725 10007 12323 99005
02223 20727 20008 22323 03019
03224 30729 30008 32423 05020
04226 40731 40009 42323 04027
05228 50733 50010 52323 04026
06230 60735 60010 62323 06028
07231 70737 70010 72423 07029
MF231 M0736 MF032
OBS 01 AT 17:33:20Z
OBS 07 AT 18:03:00Z
OBS 07 SFC WND 05025
AF304 0218A CYCLONE OB 05


32kts fl level.... so higher winds on first pass (outbound)... recon should be heading into NE quad now... would expect slightly higher winds...

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Ron Basso
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Re: Tropical Depression Eighteen Forms East of the Bahamas [Re: Brad in Miami]
      #54957 - Sun Sep 18 2005 02:42 PM

Quote:

Despite Ron's suggestion of the possible satellite appearance of a NE reformation, consistent with the 2pm advisory recon found the center about .2 degrees west and .1 degree south of the 11am estimated position. So if there was a NE reformation, the movement and possible reformation (or perhaps incorrect position estimate in the 11am advisory) have evened out to W or WSW over 3 hours.




My re-location is based on the VIS SAT alone - what I may be seeing is a MLC north of the LLC. It seems likely that the LLC will reform (migrate) northward under the MLC or else we'll have a very disorganized system. In fact, the NHC mentioned this possibility in their 11 AM disc.

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WeatherNut
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Re: Tropical Depression Eighteen Forms East of the Bahamas [Re: Ron Basso]
      #54958 - Sun Sep 18 2005 02:44 PM

It definitly looks as though the midlevel circulation is NNE of where the first forcast point is located. Definitly looks better than this morning. How often is recon going into this system?

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WeatherNut
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Re: Tropical Depression Eighteen Forms East of the Bahamas [Re: Ron Basso]
      #54960 - Sun Sep 18 2005 02:48 PM

If the MLC and LLC get vertically aligned...this thing could pop

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emackl
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Re: Tropical Depression Eighteen Forms East of the Bahamas [Re: WeatherNut]
      #54961 - Sun Sep 18 2005 03:10 PM

Interesting tidbit from the HPC! Who was it that wanted rain for the west side of Fl..?..LOL!

"WITH OTHER FEATURES... T.D. 18 IS FCST TO REACH HURRICANE STRENGTH
AND BE LOCATED OVER THE SERN GULF OF MEXICO BY THE START OF THE
MEDIUM RANGE PERIOD. TPC/NHC TRACK FROM THE 09Z ADVISORY IS
REASONABLY CLOSE TO THE 00Z GFS FOR DAYS 3-5... SO FOLLOWED THE
GFS FOR EXTRAPOLATION INTO TX FOR THE DAYS 6-7 FCST. 06Z GFS
CONCURRS WITH PREVIOUS RUNS. DGEX STILL HAVING PROBLEMS WITH TOO
MUCH TROF/SHEAR AXIS DROPPING INTO THE SOUTHEAST DAYS 3 TO 4
RESULTING IN SPLITTING T.D. 18 INTO TWO PULLING ONE PIECE INTO
WRN FL WITH EXCESSIVE RAINFALL WHILE REAL CENTER TRAVELS WEST IN
REASONABLE AGREEMENET WITH OTHER MODEL SOLUTIONS.


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CocoCrk
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Re: Tropical Depression Eighteen Forms East of the Bahamas [Re: WeatherNut]
      #54962 - Sun Sep 18 2005 03:14 PM

I agree...looking at the visible loop and the tropical forecast points put out by the NHC earlier today...the LLC is definitely relocating by a pretty substantial distance further North...it even seems like it may have picked up some speed over the past hour or so...

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Clark
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Re: Tropical Depression Eighteen Forms East of the Bahamas [Re: Random Chaos]
      #54963 - Sun Sep 18 2005 03:54 PM

Random Chaos -- anytime they send out a vortex message, they inherently found a center -- often the center -- within the storm. They had only sampled a small area of the system, however, so the low value on the max flight-level winds is somewhat misleading. There have been higher values in other parts of the storm though, as we've since found out.

As for the shutter question... I don't even see why that's an issue. If you do it correctly and per the instructions, you shouldn't hurt yourself putting them up. For any substantial system -- and yes, 80mph or 80kt is substantial -- they should go up. If not, you run the risk of substantial property damage, even in a newer house...ask the people of Orlando what they saw from similar/weaker winds last year from Charley.

TD18 is getting better organized, but it's not Rita yet. Probably tonight, with the ultimate NHC path looking good from here. This'll keep the bulk of the storm south of the mainland but probably lash into the Keys in a fashion similar to that seen with Georges in 1998. I'd go a little stronger than the NHC on intensity, but only as the storm starts to hit the Florida Straits and not before then. It'll pass over the Loop Current as Katrina did, but the heat content is nowhere near as high as it was; the relatively fast motion of the storm will mitigate any potential negative effects that could affect the storm in Katrina's wake. Fair bet that we have a major hurricane affecting somewhere in northern Mexico or the Texas coastline by the end of the upcoming week...everyone from central Louisiana westward needs to watch this one, in some cases just in case future changes are needed to the track forecast.

Phillipe is getting better organized and may be a hurricane later tonight or early tomorrow. Recon isn't going to be going out there but once more unless the track forecast changes given the threat from TD18, but despite that I feel this has the potential to be the season's next major hurricane. Might be a threat for Bermuda down the line toward next weekend as a category 3/4 storm; the area that it is passing over has some of the highest heat content in the entire basin outside of the Caribbean and is forecast to be a region of weak shear, aiding in the ultimate intensity of the storm.

Will have to watch the wave in the central Atlantic for future development; it probably won't get drawn north like Phillipe, however. Might be a threat to the islands later in the week, but probably won't develop until it gets a little further west than where it is now. Stan? Too early to say.

Active train in the E. Pacific; too many storms & disturbances, particularly with new TD13E absorbing TS Lidia. Kenneth is a midget major hurricane; if it gets into the cooler waters, it should weaken faster than forecast; if it doesn't, it could maintain longer than is forecast, making the track forecast critical to the intensity forecast. The bigger player is Jova, however, which could end up as a sidescraping threat for Hawaii later in the week. Current track keeps it east of there, but it still must be watched as the tendency with the storm has been to head further to the west.

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LoisCane
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Norcross on before the Fins Game [Re: Clark]
      #54964 - Sun Sep 18 2005 04:18 PM

Will see if he is right at five.

Seems unhappy with old track.. said basically "news not especially good" (wrote it down)

norcross emphasizes this is the OLD track that brought the storm into our general area...

thinks storm is reforming higher up and has banding features.. good to see him on the job

makes us feel better

he seems to feel storm is organizing around 23 (gave that number) which would be the possible mid center we are discussing.


said he is waiting for five
aren't we all?

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weatherwatcher2
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Re: Norcross on before the Fins Game [Re: LoisCane]
      #54965 - Sun Sep 18 2005 04:46 PM

it looks right now as if its heading more north than the keys. Maybe the keys will be spared.

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recmod
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We Have Rita [Re: weatherwatcher2]
      #54966 - Sun Sep 18 2005 04:54 PM

NRL now lists TD #18 as Rita...looks like we have the upgrade

--Lou


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WeatherNut
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Re: We Have Rita [Re: recmod]
      #54967 - Sun Sep 18 2005 05:06 PM

Yep...NHC lists as Rita as well

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