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berrywr
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TD1 Upgraded to TS Alex as of 5 am ET [Re: WeatherNut]
      #87791 - Sat Jun 26 2010 05:13 AM

Recon data from 0630Z and later clearly indicate Tropical Depression 1 is now a Tropical Storm and was officially upgraded as of 5 am ET June 26, 2010.

All models except the GFS have Alex on an intercept course with TX maybe the upper coast of MX in about 6 days. The GFDL has shifted to the upper TX coast and not FL in the new package.

Despite considerable shear near 22N latitude; Alex is expected to be escorted by an upper level ridge over the top of him which will negate the shear in the southern Gulf of Mexico.

We hope the folks over at NHC understand how important it is to get course trajectories as accurate as possible given the anxiety currently in the states of LA, MS, AL and FL. A FL landfall may have been a blessing for the oil spill; any turn to the right between now and landfall is just giong to be tough on all.

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Re: TD1 Upgraded to TS Alex as of 5 am ET [Re: berrywr]
      #87793 - Sat Jun 26 2010 07:35 AM

I added the Belize Radar Recording (Flhurricane)Belize radar to our image recording system.

Try this link if the above doesn't work.
http://flhurricane.com/imageanimator.php?73


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Re: TD1 Upgraded to TS Alex as of 5 am ET [Re: MikeC]
      #87794 - Sat Jun 26 2010 01:50 PM

Alex is still not looking very organized but I think the center is consolidating farther north than was seen earlier.
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Re: TD1 Upgraded to TS Alex as of 5 am ET [Re: WeatherNut]
      #87795 - Sat Jun 26 2010 01:55 PM

The outflow in Alex is impressive, it's a very good thing it's about to run out of water because otherwise it would have been in prime conditions for rapid intensification tomorrow.

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Re: TD1 Upgraded to TS Alex as of 5 am ET [Re: MikeC]
      #87796 - Sat Jun 26 2010 02:34 PM

recon is enterning the north side of Alex right now... so we should see prolly only see one or two center passes... Alex is close to the islands just off Belize City

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Re: TD1 Upgraded to TS Alex as of 5 am ET [Re: MikeC]
      #87797 - Sat Jun 26 2010 02:40 PM

Indeed, obviously the stakes are very high for the coastal communities along the northern and eastern Gulf.

The destiny of Alex will depend upon the accurate handling of a large scale pattern change across North America. This pattern change is well agreed upon by the panoply of Global numerical guidance, and for the time being is encouraging.

Previously, ...the guidance' that were grabbing Alex and pulling the cyclone N through the Yucatán Strait were lowering heights farther south in latitude in association with a trough getting ready to incur into the Ohio Valley and East Coast. This was causing a weakness in the native heights throughout the Gulf - ultimately leading to an earlier polarward turn for Alex. Since, however, guidance is now restricting the lowering height anomalies primarily into the NE CONUS region, and the resulting loss of weakness over the Gulf is tremendously good news should it prevail (which it appears will be the case). That should keep the general steering field angled left and away from the ecological disaster unfolding in the NE Gulf of Mexico and adjacent areas.

As for populations along the Mexico and southern Texas coasts, these areas look for the time being to be the higher probability for impact.

As usual, the question becomes 'what is left of Alex upon traversing the Yucatan Peninsula?' A lot of that will come down to how strong Alex becomes prior to impact with land. A system with more integrated storm energy will quite naturally be more resistant at first to the hostility of land. One thing also to keep in mind is that the Yucatan Pen. is a very flat, humid land mass. Diurnal convection over the region keeps SOIl moisture content very high much of the time. While this could never serve physically to strengthen a TC, it may mitigate the rate of decay when comparing other land falling TCs. An example of this was across southern Florida when Katrina traversed; Katrina was strengthening to Cat 1 status upon entering the Atlantic-side Coast, and emerged with no detrimental effects for having spent time over land.

Other than the Yucatan region there does not appear to be any parameters that would interfere with intensification, and this appears to be true in the modeling for the surrounding region out through day 5. In fact, if it were not for the proximity to land one might be concerned that a Rapid Intensification cycle could take place. The probability for that is not 0 prior to land falling on the Yucatan, however, with landfall expected now ahead of schedule, the probability is approaching 0. NHC has noted that the inner core is less organized earlier this morning, but recent IR images of Alex show that a CDO feature may in fact be in the process of developing. The most recent advisory issued at 1pm is holding wind speed at 45mph, with BP of 1003mb. RECON is inbound so we shall soon see what they measure.


John.

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Re: TD1 Upgraded to TS Alex as of 5 am ET [Re: Storm Hunter]
      #87798 - Sat Jun 26 2010 02:42 PM

I'm seeing preliminary flight level wind speed of 68mph and SFMR surface wind speeds of 77 mph... preliminary speeds.

URNT12 KNHC 261847
VORTEX DATA MESSAGE AL012010
A. 26/18:20:40Z
B. 17 deg 11 min N
087 deg 21 min W
C. 925 mb 669 m
D. 39 kt
E. 007 deg 18 nm
F. 175 deg 43 kt
G. 058 deg 74 nm
H. EXTRAP 998 mb
I. 24 C / 766 m
J. 23 C / 760 m
K. 21 C / NA
L. NA
M. NA
N. 134 / 09
O. 0.02 / 1 nm
P. AF302 0301A ALEX OB 07
MAX FL WIND 43 KT NE QUAD 17:52:20Z
MAX OUTBOUND FL WIND 59 KT S QUAD 18:26:10Z
SLP EXTRAP FROM 925 MB
MAX FL TEMP 25 C 008 / 19 NM FROM FL CNTR

Edited by danielw (Sat Jun 26 2010 02:50 PM)


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Re: TD1 Upgraded to TS Alex as of 5 am ET [Re: danielw]
      #87799 - Sat Jun 26 2010 02:48 PM

Best track has winds for Alex at 50knots, (55-60MPH), Recon may verify it.

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Re: TD1 Upgraded to TS Alex as of 5 am ET [Re: MikeC]
      #87800 - Sat Jun 26 2010 02:52 PM

agree... Recon showing strong winds just south of center at the surface (within 25 miles of center on the south side). although based on my GE measurements... center is 70 Miles SE of Belize City

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Re: TD1 Upgraded to TS Alex as of 5 am ET [Re: MikeC]
      #87801 - Sat Jun 26 2010 02:54 PM

The highest winds recon was showing were marked suspect, but they were showing consistent winds of 60mph. It also looks like the center is farther west than originally forecast. The lowest pressure I've seen was 998mb but they had not reached the center ans stopped reporting the pressure for some reason

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Re: TD1 Upgraded to TS Alex as of 5 am ET [Re: danielw]
      #87802 - Sat Jun 26 2010 03:34 PM

Second vortex msg indicates pressure down to 996 and max winds 56kts (64.4mph). Movement to the WNW from last vortex

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Re: TD1 Upgraded to TS Alex as of 5 am ET [Re: WeatherNut]
      #87803 - Sat Jun 26 2010 03:35 PM

Thanks, I missed the flags on the HDOB.
70 mph would't surprise me a lot. Given the behavior of this system.


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Re: TD1 Upgraded to TS Alex as of 5 am ET [Re: danielw]
      #87804 - Sat Jun 26 2010 03:39 PM

Seems like the NHC is playing this rather conservatively. The 2pm still had 45mph winds and 1003mb pressure when the aircraft was already reporting higher winds and lower pressure. In the 2.5hrs since pressure is down 7mb and winds are approaching 70mph. Lucky this is running out of water

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Re: TD1 Upgraded to TS Alex as of 5 am ET [Re: WeatherNut]
      #87805 - Sat Jun 26 2010 04:08 PM Attachment (143 downloads)

Alex made a strong run at trying to reach hurricane status before landfall in next few hrs... storm appears to make landfall just to the north of Belize City.

based on model trends.. i would expect the 3-day cone and on to shift left in the 5pm adv.

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TS Alex [Re: Storm Hunter]
      #87806 - Sat Jun 26 2010 04:31 PM

You be the judge. It's not a jelly donut. Early eye characterisics???


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Re: TD1 Upgraded to TS Alex as of 5 am ET [Re: MikeC]
      #87807 - Sat Jun 26 2010 04:36 PM

It never ceases to amaze me how such tiny adjustments here and there make a big, big difference in intensity and track and if you take a look over where Darby is; that system is tiny compared to this cyclone. The upper high is directly over Alex and yet not too far away to the north in the here and now is this speed shear and you say to yourself...no way...but if the upper high travels with Alex and it could stay over water for any length of time...goodness gracious what we'd be talking about in a few days..the circulation envelope almost encompasses Darby in the Eastern Pacific...it's huge.

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Re: TD1 Upgraded to TS Alex as of 5 am ET [Re: Storm Hunter]
      #87808 - Sat Jun 26 2010 04:44 PM

Agree! In fact the 4 pm CDT discussion confirms what recon data has observed. Our hearts and prayers are with MX, but I for one am grateful this is not paying the northern Gulf coast a visit...it's a big system. I wouldn't at all be surprised if Darby is pulled in; talk about a tiny system; it's a baby compared to Alex's envelope.

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Re: Tropical Storm Alex nears Landfall in Belize [Re: MikeC]
      #87809 - Sat Jun 26 2010 04:58 PM Attachment (222 downloads)

One heck of a tropical cyclone for the Atlantic in June. Lots and lots of deeply warm tropical waters, and related very humid tropical air, to work with so early in a season. Alex looks a lot more like a TC one might more expect to see out in the deep tropical western Pacific during their peak times of year, than out here during our official first month of the season.

As sometimes a picture is worth a thousand words, I'll let the attached image do the rest of the talking.

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Re: TD1 Upgraded to TS Alex as of 5 am ET [Re: berrywr]
      #87810 - Sat Jun 26 2010 06:33 PM

Alex looks to be heading for a land fall in MX/TX, but for those of you that can remember Yogi Berra,( It ain't over till it's over). been watching Hurricane for over 65 yrs that saying been true many times...

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Re: TD1 Upgraded to TS Alex as of 5 am ET [Re: Old Sailor]
      #87811 - Sat Jun 26 2010 07:04 PM

haha... luv the saying... the 18Z GFS and NAM have caught my eye... until this gets into BOC... we want know for good where Alex is heading... mountains can do so much to system!

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