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MikeCAdministrator
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Frances Approaches the Southeastern Bahamas
      #22327 - Tue Aug 31 2004 10:10 PM

The 11PM Advisory out and it shifts the track slightly left, GFL is what the hurricane center is favoring now. One disturbing trend is that the models slow the forward speed of the storm as it approaches the Florida coastline. However, the more southerly and Carolina tracks are still not ruled out, this time tomorrow evening we should have a better handle, that is if models and other aspects behave. Still more to come later.


This graphic (Thanks Skeetobite) represents the possible wind swath of Hurricane Force winds based on the current wind profile and current track over Central Florida as of 11PM Tuesday. The main point of this is to show that Frances is a larger system than Charley was (as far as diameter and windfield) and if the track holds could cause a wider area to see hurricane force winds.

My best guestimate for landfall as of now is the range between just south of West Palm Beach to Cape Canaveral. This could change.

Frances has trended back left with the models and we'll be updating more later tonight.



New graphic Model plots animated over time to help see trends. Source images are from the South Florida Water managmenet District webpage.

Jim Williams over at Hurricane City will be doing live broadcasts about Hurricane Frances startiing tomorrow night at 8PM EST.

Event RelatedLinks
Frances Models -- This image animated over time (new as of 3:30PM today)
All model "Spaghetti" for Frances from hurricanealley
The Caribbean Hurricane Page - updates from the islands
Caribbean Island Weather Reports
Nice color satellite image of Frances approach
High Speed Satellite Loops of Frances (Click floater)



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NRL Monterey Marine Meteorology Division Forecast Track of Active Systems (Good Forecast Track Graphic and Satellite Photos)

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Other commentary at Independentwx.com, Robert Lightbown/Crown Weather Tropical Update Accuweather's Joe Bastardi (now subcriber only unfortunately), Hurricane Alley North Atlantic Page, Cyclomax (Rich B.), Hurricane City , mpittweather , WXRisk, Gary Gray's Millennium Weather, storm2k, Barometer Bob's Hurricane Hollow, Snonut,

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LI Phil
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Re: Frances Approaches the Southeastern Bahamas [Re: MikeC]
      #22330 - Tue Aug 31 2004 10:17 PM

Thanks for the new thread, Mike. I'll herd them over here...

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Re: Frances Approaches the Southeastern Bahamas [Re: LI Phil]
      #22332 - Tue Aug 31 2004 10:20 PM

is it me or does the ULL of the keys/cuba appear to be weakening? if so will this allow for a more west track?

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Re: Frances Approaches the Southeastern Bahamas [Re: LI Phil]
      #22333 - Tue Aug 31 2004 10:21 PM

I pray for the inhabitants of the Bahamas...this is a Floyd redux (not to say this takes the path of Floyd). This could reach CAT V strength and then it's more than likely on to Northern FL for a direct hit. More prayers go out there. Tomorrow will be the crucial day in terms of landfall ideas. Everyone get some good rest tonight and tomorrow...Thursday and Friday will pose some sleepless nights for A LOT of people.

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Re:War of the World's:ULL vs Frances [Re: HurriK]
      #22335 - Tue Aug 31 2004 10:32 PM

The ULL seems to be taking a pounding right now looks to be weakening for sure.This I would think if the ULL gets dissolved lead to a more W track in the long term.
http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/PS/TROP/DATA/RT/watl-wv-loop.html

Edited by javlin (Tue Aug 31 2004 10:38 PM)


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Re:War of the World's:ULL vs Frances [Re: javlin]
      #22336 - Tue Aug 31 2004 10:40 PM

Well, the new (00z) Eta is a breath of fresh air...pulling Frances up almost immediately and out to sea in less than 48hrs...too bad it doesn't look realistic..

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Edited by wxman007 (Tue Aug 31 2004 10:40 PM)


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Re:War of the World's:ULL vs Frances [Re: wxman007]
      #22337 - Tue Aug 31 2004 10:41 PM

Here's the latest spaghetti - lookin bad for Florida
http://hurricanealley.net/Storms/06LALLMDL.html
-yeah, the only deviant on the map

Edited by ShaggyDude (Tue Aug 31 2004 10:42 PM)


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Re:War of the World's:ULL vs Frances [Re: javlin]
      #22338 - Tue Aug 31 2004 10:41 PM

Earlier I used the technical word "squashed". I think the ULL is on its way out (JK/007 mentioned this possiblity last night), and this will allow Frances to continue westward uninhibited. But Frances will still move poleward when and where the ridge breaks down. The ULL was an interesting diversion, but the status of the ridge and what impact the approaching trough has will make all the difference.

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Re:War of the World's:ULL vs Frances [Re: ShaggyDude]
      #22339 - Tue Aug 31 2004 10:44 PM

I don't know about that, there are some key players there that have moved right and east. This looks better than the 18Z that had them all bunched up between WPB and MLB.

Bill


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Re:War of the World's:ULL vs Frances [Re: BillD]
      #22340 - Tue Aug 31 2004 10:45 PM

Latest discussion, brilliantly done and very scary - and, by stewart i might add

http://www.wunderground.com/tropical/at200406.disc.html


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Re:War of the World's:ULL vs Frances [Re: BillD]
      #22341 - Tue Aug 31 2004 10:47 PM

also, forecast track continues slightly southward towards vero beach again
http://www.wunderground.com/tropical/tracking/at200406_5day.html


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Re:War of the World's:ULL vs Frances [Re: ShaggyDude]
      #22342 - Tue Aug 31 2004 10:49 PM

I concur...Mr Stewart really delivered tonight...this is a brilliant piece of writing...

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Re:War of the World's:ULL vs Frances [Re: BillD]
      #22343 - Tue Aug 31 2004 10:49 PM

Anyone have any trouble getting on Storm2k tonight? Im not a member just a lurker, I find this a better site to post at. But anyways, everytime I've gone there today it tells me to log in. Have they closed the site to lurkers due to a overload of people?

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Stacey's Fan Club... [Re: wxman007]
      #22344 - Tue Aug 31 2004 10:51 PM

The man is the bomb. Although, I don't think NHC have ever given three such divergent possible end game scenarios...SC/Central FL/GOM. It almost appears my crow munching forecast for hattaras might have a last breath of air...tomorrow's the day, people, tomorrow's the day...

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Re:War of the World's:ULL vs Frances [Re: ShaggyDude]
      #22345 - Tue Aug 31 2004 10:53 PM

Add my name to the Stewart fan club list. Well written and concise discussion, with explanations. But what he is describing is not going to help me sleep tonight.

Bill


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Re: Stacey's Fan Club... [Re: LI Phil]
      #22346 - Tue Aug 31 2004 10:56 PM

i agree my friends, his ominous discussion brings many more questions than answers, but tomorrow will shall see so much more - good luck to all

hopefully, we will have an optimistic chat tomorrow, though... (sigh)... we shall see

peace to all of you, and good luck once again


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Re: Stewart fans [Re: BillD]
      #22347 - Tue Aug 31 2004 10:59 PM

I thought the Stewart fan club might enjoy this... http://www.hurricaneville.com/stewart_interview.html

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11pm Stewart Discussion [Re: BillD]
      #22348 - Tue Aug 31 2004 11:01 PM

Exactly Bill....i was afraid of that scenario he described....that makes me VERY concerned now...tomorrow is probably going to give us even more questions considering the possible slow down and shift later in the northern bahamas

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Re: Stewart fans [Re: sullynole]
      #22349 - Tue Aug 31 2004 11:04 PM

I agree, awesome write-up.

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Re: Stewart fans [Re: DroopGB31]
      #22350 - Tue Aug 31 2004 11:09 PM

Jason, I have a question for ya. I know your probably busy but what are your thoughts about where she'll landfall? Im really begining to think S Fl to C Fl. Also are you concerned about maybe a second landfall on the gulf coast? I dont understand how Frances will turn due north once it makes landfall according to the 11pm Track map. Any thoughts are greatly appreciated. Thanks

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