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MikeCAdministrator
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Frances Approaching Florida
      #24067 - Sat Sep 04 2004 06:40 PM

Jim Williams (In Delray Beach south of West Palm Beach) and his Hurricane City Broadcast from 8PM till 11PM -- Link to Real Audio -- updated!

8PM
Pressure drop corrected to 957.

Original:

Hurricane Frances is approaching Florida tonight... slowly. Many are without power. Damage reports have been filed.

Damage Reports from Hurricane City

It has been reduced to a strong category 2 storm, which is generally good news. It has only a small window to strengthen, which is right now. So I don't think it will. It will cause flooding, and some damage, but mostly Frances fatigue to the folks along the Florida coast who will have to deal with the dark and wind and rain for a good 24 hours or so.

Sorry for the short article, but this is a topic for your responses tonight. Stay safe in Florida. If you hear anything that you may have a question about or you think folks would be interested in, add a comment..


Hurricane Local Statements for Weather Offices in:

Melbourne (East Central Florida) - Long Range Radar Loop
Miami (South Florida) - Long Range Radar Loop
Key West (Florida Keys)Long Range Radar Loop
Tampa Bay (West Central Florida)Long Range Radar Loop
[url=http://flhurricane.com/cyclone/wxstatement.php?t=HLS&l=JAX]
Jacksonville (North Florida)[/url] - Long Range Radar Loop

Local county by county information will no longer be updated unles there is breaking news here -- it's just impossible to keep up because of the size of the area under Hurricane Watch. Use the links in the last article to view county emergency management webpages. Florida Disaster.org is the state em page, with links to locals as well.

Definitely more to come later...

** SITE NOTE ** This website is receiving way beyond record traffic today, it will be slow, it will go down ocasionally, but should be back up shortly when that happens. We've done everything we can to help this along short of dumping zillions into bandwidth and hardware to keep it going. Apologies in advance.

Jim Williams over at Hurricane City will be doing live broadcasts about Hurricane Frances startiing tonight at 8PM EST.

Event RelatedLinks
Miami Radar Long Range loop (Note the Miami NWS Radar hardware is having issues and may be down)
Frances Models -- This image animated over time
TD#9 Models -- This image animated over time
All model "Spaghetti" for Frances from hurricanealley
The Caribbean Hurricane Page - updates from the islands
Caribbean Island Weather Reports
Nice color satellite image of Frances approach (Animated Version)
High Speed Satellite Loops of Frances (Click floater)



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Current Aircraft Recon Info



NRL Monterey Marine Meteorology Division Forecast Track of Active Systems (Good Forecast Track Graphic and Satellite Photos)

Check the Storm Forum from time to time for comments on any new developing system.

Follow worldwide SST evolution here:

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NASA GHCC Interactive Satellite images at:

North Atlantic Visible (Daytime Only), Infrared, Water Vapor
LSU Sat images

Some forecast models:
NGM, AVN, MRF, ETA ECMWF
AVN, CMC, GFDL, JMA, NOGAPS, UKMET

DoD Weather Models (NOGAPS, AVN, MRF)

Multi-model plots from WREL
Other commentary at Independentwx.com, Robert Lightbown/Crown Weather Tropical Update Accuweather's Joe Bastardi (now subcriber only unfortunately), Hurricane Alley North Atlantic Page, HurricaneVille, Cyclomax (Rich B.), Hurricane City , mpittweather , WXRisk, Gary Gray's Millennium Weather, storm2k, Barometer Bob's Hurricane Hollow, Snonut,

Even more on the links page.


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Takingforever
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Re: Frances Approaching Florida [Re: MikeC]
      #24070 - Sat Sep 04 2004 06:45 PM

It's moved, not far, but it moved where the winds are higher near West Palm Beach, but the Center, the "wall" and the surge is still a long ways off

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Jason Siegel
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Re: Frances Approaching Florida [Re: Takingforever]
      #24072 - Sat Sep 04 2004 07:05 PM

As advice from an Internet developer, perhaps you could do a massive find/replace in your PHP pages. Get rid of every instance of "http://flhurricane.com" and your links will still work, but you'll be saving a bit of bandwidth.

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Frances Store
Charley Store


Edited by Jason Siegel (Sat Sep 04 2004 07:06 PM)


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SoonerShawn
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Question About the Ridge [Re: Takingforever]
      #24073 - Sat Sep 04 2004 07:06 PM

I know that the ridge building in is what will push Frances across Florida but what is the cause of it going NW? Is the ridge expected to weaken or is a trough coming in? It has to be something because it is more less going west right now.

ShawnS


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clyde w.
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East Orlando [Re: Takingforever]
      #24074 - Sat Sep 04 2004 07:09 PM

Received a couple of PM's about conditions in east Orlando. I am south of Waterford Lakes and did not lose power during Charley, despite substantial damage in my area--so hopefully I'll be able to post conditions over the next 24 hours.

Currently, winds 20-25mph steady with higher gusts. Very light rain. Guestimate on rainfall so far is .25 inches.


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Re: Question About the Ridge [Re: SoonerShawn]
      #24075 - Sat Sep 04 2004 07:16 PM

I've been wondering about the track across the state, because it really appears she is just moving in west to WPB. Why wouldn't she maintain the same path over land?

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Re: Frances Approaching Florida [Re: MikeC]
      #24076 - Sat Sep 04 2004 07:18 PM

In Cocoa Beach on the river; info from Davis station on roof: glass at 999.8, down about 10 mb in 12 hrs & dropping; 30 mph wind fm NE, gusts to 50-55 for past 6-8 hrs; 1.2"rain today; river has dropped about 6" since daybreak - suspect wind is pushing water to south. It may get a bit more sporty tonight.

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vvvteddybearvvv
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off topic [Re: HMY]
      #24077 - Sat Sep 04 2004 07:20 PM

if my power is 2 go out any 1 kno if thir is a wap version of this site for cell phone use

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Re: Frances Approaching Florida [Re: MikeC]
      #24078 - Sat Sep 04 2004 07:20 PM

Is there any new recon data in the storm?

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Takingforever
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Re: Question About the Ridge [Re: HMY]
      #24079 - Sat Sep 04 2004 07:21 PM

Well, it's a matter of how fast she is going. If she continue at this pace, the Ridge will be gone and, she'll be able to choose what ever path she wants.

I mean look how long she'll be in Florida..That's almost 24 hours!


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Uh-oh.... [Re: Takingforever]
      #24081 - Sat Sep 04 2004 07:29 PM

Pressures falling rapidly....8 mb in a little over an hour....

821
URNT12 KNHC 042224
VORTEX DATA MESSAGE
A. 04/2224Z
B. 26 DEG 55 MIN N
79 DEG 18 MIN W
C. 700 MB 2721 M
D. NA
E. NA
F. 142 DEG 100 KT
G. 049 DEG 039 NM
H. 951 MB
I. 9 C/ 3051 M
J. 15 C/ 3061 M
K. 15 C/ NA
L. CLOSED WALL
M. C60
N. 12345/07
O. 1 /1 NM
P. AF980 3006A Frances OB 08
MAX FL WIND 100 KT NE QUAD 2212Z. PARTIAL INNER EYEWALL 10-15NM
DIAMETER POORLY CORRELATED WITH FL AND SURFACE CENTER.

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Jason Siegel
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Re: Question About the Ridge [Re: Takingforever]
      #24082 - Sat Sep 04 2004 07:29 PM

What does dropping pressure mean?

Hope the power doesn't go out for a bit. It's fun trying to get college application materials done while the power flickers!

Would you all be interested in supporting the American Red Cross Disaster Relief Fund? Please see my signature. So far I have raised $300 in my effort to donate as much funds as possible. It's for a good cause... help those in need!

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wxman007
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Re: Question About the Ridge [Re: Jason Siegel]
      #24083 - Sat Sep 04 2004 07:37 PM

It means the shear has relaxed and Frances is trying to get back to Cat 3 prior to landfall...she is strengthening....

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SoonerShawn
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Jason [Re: wxman007]
      #24084 - Sat Sep 04 2004 07:37 PM

Glad to see you on here! Do you have time to answer my question about the NW track?

ShawnS


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StormHound
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Indian River County? [Re: SoonerShawn]
      #24086 - Sat Sep 04 2004 07:40 PM

Anybody have reports from Indian River County? Looks like the worst is heading in there over the next few hours.

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Re: Uh-oh.... [Re: wxman007]
      #24087 - Sat Sep 04 2004 07:43 PM

Quote:

Pressures falling rapidly....8 mb in a little over an hour....

821
URNT12 KNHC 042224
VORTEX DATA MESSAGE
A. 04/2224Z
B. 26 DEG 55 MIN N
79 DEG 18 MIN W
C. 700 MB 2721 M
D. NA
E. NA
F. 142 DEG 100 KT
G. 049 DEG 039 NM
H. 951 MB
I. 9 C/ 3051 M
J. 15 C/ 3061 M
K. 15 C/ NA
L. CLOSED WALL
M. C60
N. 12345/07
O. 1 /1 NM
P. AF980 3006A Frances OB 08
MAX FL WIND 100 KT NE QUAD 2212Z. PARTIAL INNER EYEWALL 10-15NM
DIAMETER POORLY CORRELATED WITH FL AND SURFACE CENTER.




I'm no met, but 8mb in 2 hours is pretty quick deepening, no?


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DMFischer
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Re: Question About the Ridge [Re: wxman007]
      #24088 - Sat Sep 04 2004 07:44 PM

As close as she is to the coast, there is not much of a chance that she will get it together enough to really make cat 3?? It looks to me like the tops around the eye are building higher...more or deeper thunderboomers???

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Re: Uh-oh.... [Re: Doombot!]
      #24089 - Sat Sep 04 2004 07:44 PM

What's the bit about the 15 NM inner eyewall mean?

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Re: Uh-oh.... [Re: Doombot!]
      #24090 - Sat Sep 04 2004 07:47 PM

1) The ridge is just starting to reassert itself, and the NW motion is basically a meander...expect a resumption of a more westerly course as the ridge builds.

2) Yes, 8 mb in 2 hrs is a very impressive drop.

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Re: Uh-oh.... [Re: eyewallwhat]
      #24091 - Sat Sep 04 2004 07:49 PM

that means a smaller eyewall is trying to form...another hint that the circulation is improving. The representation on satellite, radar, and recon has all improved markedly in the past several hours.

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