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Re: Meanwhile [Re: LI Phil]
      #28792 - Fri Sep 17 2004 05:58 PM

http://www.hpc.ncep.noaa.gov/discussions/pmdhmd.html

I guess the question is, do Ivan and Jeanne want to go on a blind date? (blind, because neither one has an eye right now)


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Re: Meanwhile [Re: MrSpock]
      #28793 - Fri Sep 17 2004 06:02 PM

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http://www.hpc.ncep.noaa.gov/discussions/pmdhmd.html
can some one translate that link into plain english???
I guess the question is, do Ivan and Jeanne want to go on a blind date? (blind, because neither one has an eye right now)




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Re: Ding Dong the witch is dead? [Re: Unregistered User]
      #28794 - Fri Sep 17 2004 06:03 PM

I am by no mean an expert but then how do you define it! Anyway, I think Jeanne will reform it's just going to take some time, just because something looks ragged and bent out of shape one day doen't mean it will stay like that. Almost every model develops the storm and the shear ahead of it will back down, so it will re-enter a favorable eviorment. All this stuff about the LLC, it can form a new LLC. Lets hope for the worst, so we can get better than it; that's what I always say! (only kidding)

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Re: Ding Dong the witch is dead? [Re: Rasvar]
      #28795 - Fri Sep 17 2004 06:03 PM

That looks like an error--I'm pretty sure that's the same language from the 11 am Spanish one, but I can't find the 11 to check. (I did look at it at 11, though, so I think it's the same one.)

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Re: Meanwhile [Re: MO stormspotter]
      #28796 - Fri Sep 17 2004 06:03 PM

Jeanne down to 50kts, 1000mb but now off the coast into water near 20.2N and 71.5W

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Re: Meanwhile [Re: MO stormspotter]
      #28797 - Fri Sep 17 2004 06:03 PM

can someone translate that disucussion in to plain English?

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Re: Meanwhile [Re: MO stormspotter]
      #28798 - Fri Sep 17 2004 06:06 PM

guess hurricane center is just ahead of me,,1002mb and 45Kt winds =50mph.

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Re: Meanwhile [Re: scottsvb]
      #28799 - Fri Sep 17 2004 06:06 PM

OK, that makes more sense. Someone screwed up and sent out the 16A in Spanish with the 16 data. It had all the wording right for a 16A though.

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Re: Meanwhile [Re: scottsvb]
      #28800 - Fri Sep 17 2004 06:07 PM

and 20.1/71.6 Scott--a little different than what you posted, but not important. So it's only about .5 degree south of projected track.

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Re: Meanwhile [Re: MO stormspotter]
      #28801 - Fri Sep 17 2004 06:10 PM

Sorry, this is an example of why Vulcans don't tell jokes....

The GFS minors out the circulation as it drifts it southward offshore.
The ETA emerges Ivan off of the Mid-Atlantic coast and actually re-organizes it as it moves south, then southwest.
The reason the model shows for doing this, is that now both models are strengthening a trof in the N.E. U.S.
IF the ETA's scenario is correct, what would likely happen is Jeanne would have to move around it. I believe Clarke gave that scenario earlier. The ETA actually has both systems interact, but the problem is, it loses Jeanne, and its reflection of it is probably not accurate.
Here is a link that loops the images so you can see the progression.

http://www.nco.ncep.noaa.gov/pmb/nwprod/analysis/namer/eta/12/index_slp_m_loop.shtml
At this point, it is my opinion that the remnants of Ivan are at least likely to move off of the coast, since this has been the trend. What happens after that is unknown.


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Re: Meanwhile [Re: Brad]
      #28802 - Fri Sep 17 2004 06:12 PM

yep, i actually had a diff sat view of the 20.2 and 71.5 kinda odd that is .1 n and east of them. Its not ne. Anyways sat is probably off a tad.

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Re: Meanwhile [Re: MrSpock]
      #28803 - Fri Sep 17 2004 06:17 PM

I think that the ETA is correct also as I think I metioned in a earlier post. The ETA has Jeanne doing loops and all sorts of weird stuff but I think that could happen if they get close enough. Also, some models have Ivan backtracking and back into the Gulf, there must be some errors there.

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Re: Meanwhile [Re: Keith234]
      #28804 - Fri Sep 17 2004 06:21 PM

The ETA may have a better handle on Ivan now than it did while in the Carib. since it is over land, and probably has better initializations. Let's just say I am glad I don't have to forecast this one.

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Re: Meanwhile [Re: scottsvb]
      #28805 - Fri Sep 17 2004 06:28 PM

Scrott: Or the NHC is off a bit--your position might be more accurate. Pretty tough to pinpoint within .1 degree. I was just pointing out that the NHC pegged it differently, in case anyone thought you were giving the NHC's position; I didn't mean to imply you were wrong.

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Re: Meanwhile [Re: Brad]
      #28806 - Fri Sep 17 2004 06:32 PM

And I also didn't mean to call you "ScRott"

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who needs a laugh right now? [Re: Brad]
      #28807 - Fri Sep 17 2004 06:33 PM

Models...

Obviously they've got a good handle on Jeanne.

More models...

and an even better handle on Ivan.

DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON?

Sorry.

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Re: who needs a laugh right now? [Re: LI Phil]
      #28808 - Fri Sep 17 2004 06:34 PM

recon shows pressure now at 1004mb.

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Re: who needs a laugh right now? [Re: LI Phil]
      #28809 - Fri Sep 17 2004 06:35 PM

Quote:

DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON?




Yes, but it's a secret.


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Re: who needs a laugh right now? [Re: scottsvb]
      #28810 - Fri Sep 17 2004 06:37 PM

Are you still leaning towards your early am post?

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Re: who needs a laugh right now? [Re: LI Phil]
      #28811 - Fri Sep 17 2004 06:38 PM

You know, we really could use Ivan's rain here in Missouri....

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