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schmoo
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Ivan ?? [Re: LI Phil]
      #29330 - Sun Sep 19 2004 04:06 PM

This is a quote from a local met where I am. Does there seem any validity to it? I thought I read a post from Clark saying this didnt seem to be panning out.

Thanks from a newbie

"Amazing as it may sound, the remants of Ivan may regenerate into a weak tropical storm and bring tropical storm conditions to the Louisiana coast by Wednesday or Thursday. This possibility has been discussed on various sites and the models (at least some of them) have clearly been tracking a 500mb center around the rebuilding ridge.

The eta clearing has a weak surface low moving from east to west across our coast on Wednesday evening.

This is the ghost of Ivan!!!! It will be completely wild, if this happens. Stay tuned! It shouldn't turn into a big deal, but a tropical storm is certainly possible.

And we definitely need the rain. The west winds blasting behind Ivan has parched us out completely!!!!"

http://www.nco.ncep.noaa.gov/pmb/nwprod/analysis/namer/eta/12/images/eta_slp_072s.gif


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Kent
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Re: Mean Jeanne is back from the dead... [Re: GuppieGrouper]
      #29331 - Sun Sep 19 2004 04:08 PM

The Betsy/Jeanne correlation is a bit disconcerting because pretty much the whole coast of S. Fla. is one big barrier island. We live off Las Olas and A1A and every Dec. we are painfully reminded. When you're stuck on the east side of the bridges during the annual boatshow you tend to think about it. When Andrew came through we had to evacuate as we were told our entire house would be submerged. I just remember having very little time to look around and decide what to save.

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Keith234
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Re: Ivan ?? [Re: schmoo]
      #29332 - Sun Sep 19 2004 04:10 PM

"It shouldn't turn into a big deal, but a tropical storm is certainly possible."

A tropical storm is a big deal, he's like saying he's going to be wrong.

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LI Phil
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Re: Charter Member of the JB fan Club [Re: Keith234]
      #29333 - Sun Sep 19 2004 04:13 PM

Keith,

The part about moron was a quote from Joe! Did you read his afternoon update?

I'm a big JB fan, don't always agree with him, but I can't get enough of him.

Make sure you read things through before you start making accusations.

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Keith234
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Re: Charter Member of the JB fan Club [Re: LI Phil]
      #29334 - Sun Sep 19 2004 04:15 PM

Oh sorry, didn't see the quotes.

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GuppieGrouper
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Re: Charter Member of the JB fan Club [Re: LI Phil]
      #29335 - Sun Sep 19 2004 04:15 PM

How long will it take for the model makers to initialize runs on the Recon report that was just entered?

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bobbi
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Re: JB-seer or madman? NEED HELP PLEASE [Re: LI Phil]
      #29336 - Sun Sep 19 2004 04:26 PM

thanks phil.. found a great link on hurricanecity that has four weather maps for betsy which really do resemble the current set up

figures its not there now.. was the main reason i signed up for Accuweather this morning, to see it... figures

anyway thanks guppie and watching loops and football

thanks
as for bastardi.. there is always a method to his madness


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LI Phil
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Re: JB-seer or madman? NEED HELP PLEASE [Re: bobbi]
      #29337 - Sun Sep 19 2004 04:38 PM

You're welcome, bobbi

>>> as for bastardi.. there is always a method to his madness

I love it when he nails one no body else saw. He needs a few minor miracles for what he's been dispensing lately, but if he gets that Ivan call right...

Saw andy1tom was checking things out ("who's online") so we know he's OK.

Still concerned about the rick...but it seems everyone else is now accounted for...thanks to all for your concern!

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javlin
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Re: What's behind Karl?I ask again [Re: javlin]
      #29338 - Sun Sep 19 2004 04:41 PM

I think we have a circukation going and if this continues or next depression.The rule of thumb is 10' between the center of the storm to the trof for the trof to have an effect.Eventially Karl will get pulled out but will this little system go N?
http://www.goes.noaa.gov/HURRLOOPS/huirloop.html


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LONNY307
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Re: 13N31W [Re: LI Phil]
      #29339 - Sun Sep 19 2004 04:43 PM

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/text/MIATWDAT.shtml?
According to the discussion it has a 1008mb low with it. It sure is small compared to Karl. Should be a fish spinner..


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SoonerShawn
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Re: JB-seer or madman? NEED HELP PLEASE [Re: LI Phil]
      #29340 - Sun Sep 19 2004 04:46 PM

I like JB because he is not afraid to throw some ideas out there, but I would have to say that he is out to lunch on saying that Texas will see any tropical activity. Sometimes he can be really on to something but this is one of those times that he is not.

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LI Phil
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Re: JB-seer or madman? NEED HELP PLEASE [Re: SoonerShawn]
      #29341 - Sun Sep 19 2004 04:47 PM

Let us know next thursday, ss!

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javlin
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Re: 13N31W [Re: LONNY307]
      #29342 - Sun Sep 19 2004 04:48 PM

Thanks Lonny been looking at since this morning.Yea it is small but if it stays weak in Karl's path and it should would probably track more W or WNW.

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Keith234
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Re: JB-seer or madman? NEED HELP PLEASE [Re: LI Phil]
      #29343 - Sun Sep 19 2004 04:55 PM

The UKMET is scaring me, it's suggesting the high will erode and retrograde, allowing the storm to ride up the coast starting from NC and upwards. Scary, but I would love to take this storm away from Florida, they don't need it. Let's see how it trends in the upcoming days.

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Keith234
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Re: JB-seer or madman? NEED HELP PLEASE [Re: Keith234]
      #29344 - Sun Sep 19 2004 05:13 PM

TD 13 just gave me a flashback of Isabel. Every year we have a CV system hit the Carolinas could this one be it? It's starting in the simliar area but since it's so close to Karl, that should limit it's development. I'll be watching this one. I'm dead tired, going to sleep.

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GuppieGrouper
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Re: JB-seer or madman? NEED HELP PLEASE [Re: Keith234]
      #29345 - Sun Sep 19 2004 05:24 PM

I have a Question. Is there anyway that Jeanne could wrap that left over energy into her own circulation since Ivan is not a circulation center any more but just some left over clouds. Then those models of bringing Jeanne across Florida into Texas would make sense only the storm would be a combination of Ivan and Jean making it Jevan?

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SkeetoBiteAdministrator
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Re: JB-seer or madman? NEED HELP PLEASE [Re: LI Phil]
      #29346 - Sun Sep 19 2004 06:09 PM

Looks like my original 5 day track forecast is still holding... Watch out JB!

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GuppieGrouper
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Re: JB-seer or madman? NEED HELP PLEASE [Re: SkeetoBite]
      #29347 - Sun Sep 19 2004 06:14 PM

I thought I was seeing something different than the official forecast was saying but I figured I was not smart enough to say it. But It does look like your forecast when you get a good water Vapor loop. BTW I love your maps they are so neat and simple to read.

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Clark
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Re: JB-seer or madman? [Re: LI Phil]
      #29348 - Sun Sep 19 2004 06:20 PM

And for my next trick, I'll make a tropical storm appear out of thin air!

I'm sorry, but that's what JB is getting at if he thinks Ivan is going to amount to anything again. There's nothing left of it out there! There's some wind along a tightened pressure gradient and a small piece of vorticity, but nothing at the surface. The main storm has long gone off into the Atlantic.

I wish I knew what he was seeing, both with Ivan and Jeanne...

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Clark
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Re: Ivan ?? [Re: schmoo]
      #29349 - Sun Sep 19 2004 06:23 PM

A 500mb reflection isn't anything at the surface. With proximity to land as well as quite a bit of dry air engulfing what is there...I see it as highly unlikely. Whatever is along the base of the ridge may kick up the winds a tad, but even that isn't going to be much.

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