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Keith234
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Re: Hmmm... [Re: Unregistered User]
      #34189 - Sun Oct 31 2004 10:21 AM

I understand where you're coming from and you do have some good points but I suddendly conjured up this thought, "walk with a big stick, and speak softly." You can't always anwser violence with violence, sometimes you have to be diplomatic, watch what you say then attack. It's all fun and games until you kill an innocent civilian, then what do you say; I thought this...that he was. Pretty interesting, you sure put up a good arguement, stick around for tommorrow...

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WOW! [Re: Keith234]
      #34192 - Sun Oct 31 2004 11:15 AM

Go to sleep for a few hours and lookie what happens....

Yeah, right! Four More Years!!!

JasonKeith234...when I was your age I wanted Jimmy Carter to be president in the worst way...get rid of Ford and the whole Nixon thing. Well, I got what I wished for...need I say more???

John Forbes Kerry (You know Forbes Magazine? Yep...Same family) has been a child and an adult of privilege all his life (so has Bush). He has never had to bust his hump 12-14 hours a day for minimum wage just so he could afford to pay rent (heh...imagine Bush or sKerry even having to worry that their rent check might beat their pay check to the bank). That's the real world, not the world in which these two live. Neither one of them speaks for the Athenian or common man. Funny point about the Spartan way vs. the northern greeks...I remember that from jr. high and it was fascinating...but then we learned the Romans kicked the greek's asses...then the barbarians kicked the romans' asses...then the dark ages came...

But this is 2004 and the one man who is going to keep myself and my family safe"r" (we can never be totally safe) from the evildoers is the man currently serving as commander in chief. His opponent has, since 1971, been trashing the US military, and despite his recent assertions to the contrary, has consistently voted for every measure to WEAKEN US presence throughout the world. Isolationism didn't work in 1914 or 1938. It certainly won't work in 2004.

Since you seem to have stumbled on this nation's GREATEST president's statement, "Walk softly and carry a big stick" (that would be Teddy Roosevelt...you live close to Sagamore Hill...the "summer White House"...go see it sometime), you must realize that the US has a tremendous burden to carry. Fortunately or unfortunately, we have become the world's de facto police officers. We defeated Communism and we will defeat terrorism...

It'll all be over soon (the election that is). The war on terrorism, however, will not.

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Re: WOW! [Re: LI Phil]
      #34194 - Sun Oct 31 2004 11:54 AM

Actually I have did have a chance to visit TDR house. Isolationism didn't work because it wasn't carried out to it's fullest ablities. We gave Europe weapons, then the Luistana sank and the whole spiel..you know the rest. If we have to pratice imperialism so be it, but don't go around looking for trouble; not even the police do that, at least around here! I do agree with you that Bush and Kerry aren't real people but that position could never have a normal average person. Canada has praticed isolation, how many wars have they gotten involved in. Oh well, we'll see, I have the feeling that GWB is going to get relected, no matter what I can say.

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Re: WOW! [Re: Keith234]
      #34196 - Sun Oct 31 2004 12:07 PM

>>> I have the feeling that GWB is going to get relected, no matter what I can say.



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Re: WOW! [Re: LI Phil]
      #34197 - Sun Oct 31 2004 12:08 PM

Very interesting talk here. This subject can go on (and will) forever. The world has changed since 9/11and will never be the same again. Everyones idea of right and wrong will differ and what is right/wrong has changed also...anyway...I admire Israel. They don't ask for advise or ask "please may we".... you screw with them, you smell JP and a few hours later all your stuff is blown to hell! Right or wrong?, your opinion but I do like the direct approach.

LI Phil.... agreed. GWB is in the house!

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Wrong For America [Re: Storm Cooper]
      #34199 - Sun Oct 31 2004 12:23 PM

Sen. Kerry Voted Against B-1 Bomber.
(S. 3189, CQ Vote #273: Passed 79-16: R 37-5; D 42-11, 10/15/90, Kerry Voted Nay)

Sen. Kerry Voted Against B-2 Stealth Bomber.
(S. 3189, CQ Vote #273: Passed 79-16: R 37-5; D 42-11, 10/15/90, Kerry Voted Nay)

Sen. Kerry Voted Against F-14.
(H. R. 5803, CQ Vote #319: Adopted 80-17: R 37-6; D 43-11, 10/26/90, Kerry Voted Nay)

Sen. Kerry Voted Against F-15.
(S. 3189, CQ Vote #273: Passed 79-16: R 37-5; D 42-11, 10/15/90, Kerry Voted Nay)

Sen. Kerry Voted Against F-16.
(S. 3189, CQ Vote #273: Passed 79-16: R 37-5; D 42-11, 10/15/90, Kerry Voted Nay)

Sen. Kerry Voted Against AV-8B Harrier Vertical Takeoff And Landing Jet Fighters.
(H.R. 2126, CQ Vote #579: Adopted 59-39: R 48-5; D 11-34, 11/16/95, Kerry Voted Nay)

Sen. Kerry Voted Against AH-64 Apache Helicopters.
(H.R. 2126, CQ Vote #579: Adopted 59-39: R 48-5; D 11-34, 11/16/95, Kerry Voted Nay)

Sen. Kerry Voted Against Patriot Missiles.
(S. 3189, CQ Vote #273: Passed 79-16: R 37-5; D 42-11, 10/15/90, Kerry Voted Nay)

Sen. Kerry Voted Against Aegis Air Defense Cruiser.
(S. 3189, CQ Vote #273: Passed 79-16: R 37-5; D 42-11, 10/15/90, Kerry Voted Nay)

Sen. Kerry Voted Against Trident Missile System For U.S. Submarines.
(S. 3189, CQ Vote #273: Passed 79-16: R 37-5; D 42-11, 10/15/90, Kerry Voted Nay)

Sen. Kerry Voted Against M-1 Abrams Tanks.
(S. 3189, CQ Vote #273: Passed 79-16: R 37-5; D 42-11, 10/15/90, Kerry Voted Nay)

Sen. Kerry Voted Against Bradley Fighting Vehicle.
(S. 3189, CQ Vote #273: Passed 79-16: R 37-5; D 42-11, 10/15/90, Kerry Voted Nay)

Sen. Kerry Voted Against Tomahawk Cruise Missile.
(S. 3189, CQ Vote #273: Passed 79-16: R 37-5; D 42-11, 10/15/90, Kerry Voted Nay)

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Re: WOW! [Re: Storm Cooper]
      #34200 - Sun Oct 31 2004 12:25 PM

Isarel is up in your face because the country is so small, it has to stick up for itself otherwise who will? America has acquried the element of Fear from past wars, and many other countries are either jealous or just don't want to fight. How is a group of terroists going to gain a foothold in the United States when a person like me (blonde hair, blue eyes, LI accent) can't even get on a plane to go to Boston?

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Fortunately for me... [Re: Keith234]
      #34201 - Sun Oct 31 2004 12:35 PM

I don't have a Lon Guysland accent!

>>> How is a group of terroists going to gain a foothold in the United States when a person like me (blonde hair, blue eyes, LI accent) can't even get on a plane to go to Boston?

I've got blond hair and blue eyes, but I have flown to Boston on occasion...

Though, Coop, last (and only) time I was in PCB, I got plucked out of the line and they did the full terrorist search...even did the thing with the shoes...

And my flight was going to Hartsfield (ATL), not LGA, so they couldn't have done it just cuz I was a Yankee!

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Re: Wrong For America [Re: LI Phil]
      #34202 - Sun Oct 31 2004 12:33 PM

Kerry likes some violence too."I will never hesitate to use force when it is required. Any attack will be met with a swift and certain response. I will never give any nation or international institution a veto over our national security."

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Re: Wrong For America [Re: Keith234]
      #34203 - Sun Oct 31 2004 12:45 PM

Quote:

Kerry likes some violence too."I will never hesitate to use force when it is required. Any attack will be met with a swift and certain response. I will never give any nation or international institution a veto over our national security."




I think he got all of his violence out while he was in NAM raping and pillaging, shooting fleeing women carrying babies in the back, cutting off ears, hands and feet...

http://www.streamload.com/jmstein77/Kerry2.mp3

A MUST CLICK!



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Re: Fortunately for me... [Re: LI Phil]
      #34204 - Sun Oct 31 2004 12:48 PM

You only think you don't have an accent, I went to California the San Fransico area, man did the people laugh. They pinpointed me to LI as soon as I said hello, I not kidding it's all true!

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Not all Long Islander's [Re: Keith234]
      #34205 - Sun Oct 31 2004 12:59 PM

have Long Island accents...

Unfortunately, the only time anyone from Long Island makes news, it the Amy Fishah's the Joey Buddafookoos, the Carolyn McCarthy's...

It depends upon where you were raised...when I go to areas where the LI accent is thick, I tend to 'break out' the accent a bit. Not everyone around here speaks like Ralph Maccio in My Cousin Vinny. But I gotta admit, Joe Pesci & Marisa Tomei did NAIL the accent beautifully

The Bahstin Brahmin doesn't have an accent, yet Ted Kennedy's is as thick as Chivas...er-ahh Chowdah.

All depends upon the area in which you were raised...

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Re: Not all Long Islander's [Re: LI Phil]
      #34206 - Sun Oct 31 2004 01:18 PM

I guess your right. I'm not going to be online for the rest of the day until tommorrow afternoon going out with some buddies. Have a happy halloween and don't let the trick or treater's bite!

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The Common Man... [Re: Keith234]
      #34207 - Sun Oct 31 2004 01:29 PM

Enjoy your Hallowe'en Keith!

Scaramouche & Flying Squirrel

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Re: The Common Man... [Re: LI Phil]
      #34208 - Sun Oct 31 2004 03:46 PM

Yep! No convincing needed here. His record tells all! What a slimeball he is. I cant believe anyone would even consider voting for Kerry. Hes nothing but a coattail riding U.N. bu-- kisser... There is absolutely no sincerity in this man! I come from a long line of veterans and cannot believe that this is even a choice for our Great United States. Shame. Wake up America!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: The Common Man... [Re: 52255225]
      #34210 - Sun Oct 31 2004 03:55 PM

President Bush lied, but they didn't?


One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to
develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them.
That is our bott! om line."
- President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is
clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons
of mass destruction program."
- President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a
great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will
use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is
the greatest security threat we face."
- Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten
times since 1983."
- Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

"We urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the
U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if
appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond
effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of
mass destruction programs."
- Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin (D-MI), Tom
D! aschle (D-SD), John Kerry ( D - MA), and others Oct. 9, 1998

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass
destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and
he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
- Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass
destruction and palaces for his cronies."
- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has invigorated his weapons
programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear
programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In
addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless
using the cover of a ilicit missile program to develop longer-range
missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies."
- Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,) and
others, December 5, 2001

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and
threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the
mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass
destruction and the means of delivering them."
- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

! "We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and
chemical weapons throughout his country."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002


"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible
to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as
Saddam is in power."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and
developing weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are
confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and
biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to
build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intellig!
ence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the
authority to use force-- if necessary-- to disarm Saddam Hussein because
I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his
hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working
aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear
weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have
always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of
weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years,
every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and
destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity.
This he has refused to do."
- Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports
show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and
biological weapon stock, his missile delivery capability, and his
nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to
terrorists, including al Qaeda members. It is clear, however, that if
left unchecked Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to
wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop
nuclear weapons."
- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that
Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing
capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass
destruction."
- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal,
murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a
particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to
miscalculation .. And now he is miscalculating America's response to his
continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass
destruction... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass
destruction is real."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003


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See...you can't have it both ways [Re: 52255225]
      #34211 - Sun Oct 31 2004 04:15 PM

52255225 Well documented.

If "they" say it, it can be ignored and/or swept under the rug, unless convenient...and then they can flip flop and change it to suit the prevailing winds...

When GWB says it, HE MEANS it, and he follows through with it. The only thing more unpredictable than hurricanes are JFK's positions on the issues.

http://www.liquidgeneration.com/flix/video_kerry1.asp

Even though the Viet NAM photo is doctored, don't be so sure it didn't happen this way...

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Re: See...you can't have it both ways [Re: LI Phil]
      #34217 - Sun Oct 31 2004 06:35 PM

The Bush family has been known for their lie's need I say the tax increase. Kerry seems like his opinions are changing because he has been involved for such a long time in politics that many things have changed. LI phil, just because he own's numerous houses, jets and such doesn't mean he doesn't work for the common man. Thats hippocritic to say that,if you had money in the millions you would tell me you wouldn't use it, the wealthly live weathly.

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Re: Wrong For America [Re: LI Phil]
      #34218 - Sun Oct 31 2004 07:02 PM

Just one more thing, if someone could anwser this. Why are we still involved in Iraq, when the terroist threat came from Afganastan, and the weapons on mass desturction are not there?

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Still in Iraq [Re: Keith234]
      #34219 - Sun Oct 31 2004 07:27 PM

The President, U.S. Senate and U.S. House of Representatives all acted on the same intelligence information when they decided TOGETHER to go into Iraq. That information came from a hold over from the Clinton Administration. To be fair, this same man also worked for the prior Bush Administration. As we all know now, this data was flawed.

It is interesting that President Bush is taking all the blame for acting on the same data that Kerry acted on and every other Senator and Congressman (except the lone hold out from California).

Why are we still in Iraq? Well, let's see... we beat the crap out of them and removed their government. Right or wrong, we now have an obligation to the Iraqi citizens to bring peace and stability to their country and region.

Make no mistake... I'm pissed that the data was flawed. I'm pissed that over 1,000 U.S. Service men and women have died. I'm more pissed that over 16,000 us citizens were murdered last year and nobody is talking about that.

I'm also pissed that every single "Bush Basher" has an opinion but can't point to a single fact or instance to back up their claims. If you want a real issue to bash Bush with, stick to how conservative he is. Disagree with his policies or public stance on issues, but don't be a complete moron sputtering "he lies" -or- "he's only out for big business". That's a bunch of crap filling empty pages that few will read anyhow.

State facts, not more mindless rhetoric.


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