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TD#4 is now Tropical Storm as of 10am
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Clark
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Rabbit, strong west winds over Venezuela don't really mean a lot when it comes to development of a Caribbean storm...the primary factors for it developing after it moves away from the coast are the lack of proximity to tall mountains as well as the much warmer (and deeper) warm waters into the Central Caribbean. Waters near the coast, interestingly enough, are very shallow and not all that warm -- the immediate coastline, for that and the topographical reasons, is actually an area where tropical cyclones tend to come nowhere near their maximum potential intensity.
We've now got at 11a, 40mph/1006mb...Cindy is up to 50mph at 11a and does look a bit better organized -- but again lopsided, like . The is playing it conservatively with , which is probably prudent given that no one is directly under its path for the time being. It looks rather impressive on satellite, but remember Earl from last year -- very similar presentation, but no closed circulation. There's one here, of course, and I imagine the wind speeds will probably ramp up at a good rate, but a lot of what you've been seeing is probably a mid-level representation that is just starting to work its way down to the surface.
More coming up around lunchtime...a lot to catch up on after a weekend away! Hope everyone's 4th went well...
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Doug, I agree with your statement that we'll have to wait to see what the overall affects from Cindy are on the steering currents to get a handle on soon to be ' direction. This should be a formidable storm, as it seems to be getting its act together now. Cindy may cause a weakness in any ridging that's here, and that weakness will move east as the remnants of Cindy head to the NE. Its way early to call the ultimate path of "Dennis". Cheers!!
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Rabbit
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i meant inflow, i probably should have specified
where does it say we have ?
(edit:) found it
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Terra
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where does it say we have ?
11 AM update... http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/text/refresh/MIATCPAT4+shtml/051439.shtml
The discussion is not up yet though...
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ftlaudbob
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Looking at the last loop,this thing looks like a hurricane,or very close to one.Also looks like it took a jog more to the north on the last frame.Time will tell,but I am stating to get ready for today.Where ever this thing goes it looks like it will be a monster.
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Lysis
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Tropical Depression four has been upgraded to Tropical Storm . The advisory points out that this the earliest “D” name in recorded history.
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Rabbit
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i doubt it is anywhere near hurricane intensity--still not organized enough
it will likely be one though before the end of tomorrow, and i am thinking it will get much higher than the 85 mph they are forecasting
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Clark, this is the second reference to Earl from last year, HF through it out yesterday. for thos with impaired memories such as my sel, what are the similarities to Earl as an analog for this storm?
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Longtime lurker...may as well jump in.
The models seemed to change course with future this a.m....sure they will again as the days go by...although & I believe still show Fl taking some sort of hit.
As far as the track being east of what is calling for at the moment...just based on my obs from last year..TSFH...seems with the storms in the Gulf, landfall was more to the right & with Atlantic storms, landfall was more to the left.
With some of the model runs now that can be a big difference between taking a hit & just maybe having some rain.
Just hope people don't end up in denial & pay attention.
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The discussion is not up yet though...
Yes it is: From Weather Underground:
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Banding features are becoming better defined and...based on a
classification of t2.5 from ...the cyclone is being named.
This is the earliest date ever to have four named tropical cyclones
in the Atlantic Basin. The storm will be in a low-shear and high
oceanic heat content environment for the next several days...so
further strengthening is likely. The official intensity forecast
may be conservative at the longer range...but there is little if
any skill in intensity change prediction at days 4-5.
Dennis is moving a little north of west near 16 kt as a result of a
deep easterly steering flow to the south of the subtropical high.
A general west-northwestward track with a little deceleration is
predicted. This is similar to the previous forecast and in good
agreement with the dynamical model consensus. Because of
uncertainty in longer-range track predictions...it is too early to
speculate on what portions of the U.S. Might be threatened.
A tropical storm watch has been issued for a portion of Hispaniola
at this time.
Forecaster Pasch
The 11am forecast track is taking furthur into the Gulf, lessening any threat to the Florida Peninsula...however, Florida's sparing might mean New Orleans' problem.
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trinibaje
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Tropical Depression four has been upgraded to Tropical Storm . The advisory points out that this the earliest “D” name in recorded history.
since its the earliest recorded D.. is there any season where all the named storms made an appearance.... cause its July 5 and at the rate we are going 
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LizL
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UPDATED: A portion of Central Florida is placed in a forecast cone of possible strike locations for one of two storms gaining strength today, according to Local 6 meteorologist Larry Mowry.
Was posted today July 5th on A orlando tv stations website.
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At this time models appear to project as a GOM event- but it is far too early in the running as the margin for error can be too great at this stage.
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what portion are you referring to liz? 
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Lysis
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panhandle... (look at the tracking map)
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LizL
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local6.com showed that but not really any more details
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I want to reiterate, nobody will get a handle on the probabilities until after this gets past Jamaica...it is enough to note the projection in the center of the cone is mid gulf, and that probabilities are up to as high as 14 for Marco and 11 for Ft. Myers already to put people in W Central Florida on enough alert to kee in touch.
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I have to agree with Lysis, sure looks like the panhandle or a bit to west of that area.......Possible CAT 2 coming up??????.......Weatherchef
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nice vis this morning.... cindy
Dennis is going to be a major problem in 5-7 days, somewhere in the northern/east gulf it looks like, if things hold together....way to early to tell on exact location or area, but now is a good time from the fla. keys to New Orleans to go ahead if not already, get evac. plans and supplies and or kits ready..
so what will the bermuda high be like in 5-8 days? (man, sounds like last year!)
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