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VolusiaMike
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Re: radar/sat imagery [Re: HanKFranK]
      #40707 - Sat Jul 09 2005 03:16 PM

Guess the PCB area forecast explains why he haven't heard much from Jason lately... he must be one busy individual...

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Margie
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Re: radar/sat imagery [Re: HanKFranK]
      #40708 - Sat Jul 09 2005 03:17 PM

So...according to the predictions from the 11am discussion, Dennis will go more north than west (ratio of 1 to 2/3). Much, much relieved. It is on a true NW course the last so many hours, which would bring it right into Pascagoula, but if it curves more northward at all, even just a bit, then there shouldn't be any huge concern for MS Gulf Coast.

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pcola
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Re: radar/sat imagery [Re: Margie]
      #40709 - Sat Jul 09 2005 03:20 PM

with regards to strike probability, you need to look at the second column which is between 8am and 8pm Sunday..landfall...that shows Mobile as the higest probability. Don't rule out MS yet

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Re: models and probabilities [Re: adogg76]
      #40710 - Sat Jul 09 2005 03:25 PM

This particular line of discussion stops NOW! In tornado alley all traffic does not come to a complete standstill simply because a Tornado Watch has been issued. There is absolutely nothing wrong with traveling down I-95 to Melbourne (or even over to Orlando) today. Leave it at that.

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Ron Basso
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Re: radar/sat imagery [Re: VolusiaMike]
      #40711 - Sat Jul 09 2005 03:29 PM

Looking at the latest visible SAT - Dennis is definitely getting better organized - eye still obscured by clouds though, but it's wrapping good convection around the center

http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/PS/TROP/DATA/RT/float2-vis-loop.html

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Storm Hunter
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Re: models and probabilities [Re: Ed Dunham]
      #40712 - Sat Jul 09 2005 03:29 PM

URNT12 KNHC 091525
VORTEX DATA MESSAGE
A. 09/14:59:30Z
B. 24 deg 42 min N
083 deg 47 min W
C. 700 mb 2812 m
D. 60 kt
E. 291 deg 005 nm
F. 040 deg 064 kt
G. 299 deg 013 nm
H. 966 mb
I. 13 C/ 3047 m
J. 13 C/ 3050 m
K. 13 C/ NA
L. OPEN NW
M. C15
N. 12345/ 7
O. 0.02 / 2 nm
P. AF302 1404A Dennis OB 05
MAX FL WIND 64 KT NW QUAD 14:56:00 Z
MAX FL TEMP _15_ C _294_ / 9__ NM FROM FL CNTR

pressure down one mb

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adogg76
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Re: models and probabilities [Re: Ed Dunham]
      #40713 - Sat Jul 09 2005 03:29 PM

Sooooooo......

When can we look forward to some data/info on this next wave in eastern Carib??


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Margie
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Re: radar/sat imagery [Re: pcola]
      #40714 - Sat Jul 09 2005 03:30 PM

Quote:

with regards to strike probability, you need to look at the second column which is between 8am and 8pm Sunday..landfall...that shows Mobile as the higest probability. Don't rule out MS yet



Oooh - ouch for Mobile if this is true.

Even a Mobile hit would not worry me nearly as much as anything to the west of Pascagoula...a hit right on Mobile Bay would mainly affect Gulf Shores and Foley area. There would be a lot of wind, but for Pascagoula the winds would be blowing offshore and subsequently to the east. The water is much more of an issue than wind for places like Ocean Springs, Gautier, Pascagoula, Moss Point, Mobile, and the strength is so localized around the center of the storm that it really makes a huge difference where the eye hits.

This is the thing that really annoys me about the TV predictions and the things said on TWC. Of course the storm is large and its effects will be felt over a large area. But only a very small area, just to the right of the eye at landfall, is in extreme serious danger (broadly speaking). To the people on the Gulf Coast, that is really the thing that they need to know, the thing that is going to make the huge difference. Are they going to be in that small area? Because if not, usually they can ride out the storm, even if they have some minor flooding. But Pascagoula is surrounded by water; a large part of Jackson Co is estuary. Flooding would be the main concern, especially with the forecast that Dennis will probably not strengthen above CAT 3. So the difference between an eyewall landing to the east, and to the west, is like night and day. Even if the eyewall came over the MS/AL border say by Grand Bay, Pascagoula would get a lot of wind, but that would not be nearly as devastating as an eyewall landing ten miles to the west.

Well, at least, the time of landfall seems like it will coincide with low tide.

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Edited by Margie (Sat Jul 09 2005 03:37 PM)


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adogg76
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Re: models and probabilities [Re: adogg76]
      #40715 - Sat Jul 09 2005 03:31 PM

Ummmm......

Does anyone recall how many Tornadoes were spawned as Frances and Jeane exited the CFla are???

Just curious......


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Ricreig
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Re: it'll be a cat 4-5...and tracking more west [Re: MikeC]
      #40716 - Sat Jul 09 2005 03:31 PM

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Anyone find this useful?

I'm polishing it up a bit more but it works and is auto updated with Dennis tracks

http://flhurricane.com/googlemap.php?2005s4-2004s9-2004s3


That is too cool. Yes, it is useful. How are you automating this...or are you?

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MichaelA
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Re: models and probabilities [Re: Ed Dunham]
      #40717 - Sat Jul 09 2005 03:33 PM

Thanks! At this point, I wouldn't discourage anyone from driving to the Tampa Bay area either.

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Storm Hunter
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Re: models and probabilities [Re: Storm Hunter]
      #40718 - Sat Jul 09 2005 03:34 PM

just talked to my folks...headed to jacksonville, FL

I-10 from just west of tally to the 1-75 exit is bumper to bumper... once past it (east side of 1-75) on i-10, traffic is flowing smoothly.... they said most eastboud traffic on i-10 is fire trucks w/generators and power trucks heading west....say up to a 100 or so passed so far....

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MichaelA
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Re: models and probabilities [Re: adogg76]
      #40719 - Sat Jul 09 2005 03:35 PM

Quote:

Ummmm......

Does anyone recall how many Tornadoes were spawned as Frances and Jeane exited the CFla are???

Just curious......


None significant as I recall.

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adogg76
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Re: models and probabilities [Re: MichaelA]
      #40720 - Sat Jul 09 2005 03:36 PM

Am i a wishcaster if I say.....there is a strong feeder band approaching Tampa Bay right now!!!

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VandyBrad
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Re: models and probabilities [Re: Storm Hunter]
      #40721 - Sat Jul 09 2005 03:36 PM

Gainesville checking in. First feeder band is finally reaching us. Winds picked up dramatically in the last 2 minutes and it got eerily dark outside. I wouldn't be surprised if we got some strong rain very soon... as a matter of fact it's starting now.

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adogg76
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Re: models and probabilities [Re: MichaelA]
      #40722 - Sat Jul 09 2005 03:37 PM

yea...tornadoes are generally insignificant events........

WOW!!!!!

Stop the one line posting and put meaning in the posts

Edited by Storm Cooper (Sat Jul 09 2005 03:39 PM)


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MichaelA
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Re: models and probabilities [Re: adogg76]
      #40723 - Sat Jul 09 2005 03:38 PM

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Am i a wishcaster if I say.....there is a strong feeder band approaching Tampa Bay right now!!!


In a word? Yes. No stronger than a normal, summer t-storm. I'm going to have a nap now.

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Edited by MichaelA (Sat Jul 09 2005 03:41 PM)


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Steve H1
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Re: models and probabilities [Re: adogg76]
      #40725 - Sat Jul 09 2005 03:40 PM

Knock it off Adogg - that is not relevant. I'm in Melbourne today and the weather is fine here. Lives don't come to a halt when a storm is 600 milrs away. A tornado can occur on any given afternoon in Florida. Back to Dennis, he's wrapping some strong convection back into his center, and I agree with a previous poster that the astern part of the eyewall is obsured. He's still heading slowly NW but hopefully won't stall, since that would allow the ULL to influence it before it has passed north of the Fl penisula. Feel bad for those in the path; certainly pensecola doesn't need another hit. Maybe it will weaken before landfall since the ridging won't be as stong to the north. When's the next blog due Ed? Inquiring minds want to know!!

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scottsvb
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Re: models and probabilities [Re: Storm Hunter]
      #40726 - Sat Jul 09 2005 03:40 PM

Well here in Tampa we only recieved 1 quick rain band... but it was nothing, Currently the sun has been out for a couple hours through the high clouds. We here in the Tampa Bay area will see the weather go downhill later this afternoon as Dennis gets pushed from the upper low moving NE ahead of the trough over the NW Gulf. I wouldnt be surprised to see him tomorrow jog even NNE before landfall but generally move N tonight. Landfall still near Panama city give or take 50 miles.

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Ron Basso
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Re: feeder bands [Re: VandyBrad]
      #40727 - Sat Jul 09 2005 03:43 PM

I see on the visible SAT that sunshine has broken out over central FL - not a good thing since this extra heating combined with the tropical juice may lead to some supercell Tstorms this afternoon..I wouldn't be surprised to see some tornadic activity from some of the bands today given the extra heating of the atmosphere

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