GuppieGrouper
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This may have already been addressed but and I will go back and look for the answer if it has been, but I am looking at the forecast points on this storm and it looks like the forecast has this storm still bursting through a 1016 mb high with a 1001 mb low. Is the forecast old ? This is what I am basing my question on:
http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/PS/TROP/DATA/RT/float2-ir4-loop.html
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HCW
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Hey Katie  I think that your issue has been solved . Have a good evening
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KingTex
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If a sub-tropical storm developed in January (highly unlikely) it wouldn't be part of any season as the hurricane season runs from June 1st to Nov. 30. would handle it though, and issue adv's.
I know we're drifting further and further off topic, but Ana in 2003 formed in April and was considered a part of the 2003 season.
I was just curious if there was a cut off for the season besides the Dec 31/Jan 1 date...
-Mark
Ana in 2003 is the earliest that a storm has been given a name. It was named Tropical Storm Ana on April 21.
There was a subtropical storm that formed in January of 1978 that was not given a name, but is on the list of 1978 storms. So I'd imagine any storms forming after 12/31 go to the following year.
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maybe maybe not
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866
URNT12 KNHC 240028
VORTEX DATA MESSAGE
A. 24/00:06:10Z
B. 30 deg 04 min N
073 deg 25 min W
C. 850 mb 1455 m
D. 40 kt
E. 243 deg 064 nm
F. 301 deg 040 kt
G. 237 deg 081 nm
H. 1002 mb
I. 17 C/ 1529 m
J. 22 C/ 1526 m
K. 15 C/ NA
L. NA
M. NA
N. 1345 / 8
O. 0.02 / 1 nm
P. AF302 0506A FRANKLIN OB 05
MAX FL WIND 40 KT SW QUAD 23:39:30 Z
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Clark
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GuppieGrouper -- no, not necessarily. Remember, that high will move as the storm does; and, strangely enough, a lot of times they don't get those points exactly right. Nevertheless, the storm's path shouldn't bring it in conflict with the high -- it'll move/weaken (or even strengthen if conditions are right) accordingly.
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MichaelA
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Looking at the WV loop, either the East coast trough is going to miss Franklin or the closed ULL over Florida will open up and become part of the East coast trough and then kick Franklin to the NE or something else could happen. Really tough to call.
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GuppieGrouper
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Thanks. I knew some but did not the whole story.
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Maybe maybe not
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Some on here have asked about The Chart vs. Pressure
Dvorak Current Intensity Chart
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CI MWS MWS MSLP MSLP Saffir-Simpson
Number (Knots) (MPH) (Atlantic) (NW Pacific) Category
1 25 KTS 29 MPH (Approximate)
1.5 25 KTS 29 MPH
2 30 KTS 35 MPH 1009 mb 1000 mb
2.5 35 KTS 40 MPH 1005 mb 997 mb
3 45 KTS 52 MPH 1000 mb 991 mb
3.5 55 KTS 63 MPH 994 mb 984 mb
4 65 KTS 75 MPH 987 mb 976 mb 1 (64-83 KTS)
4.5 77 KTS 89 MPH 979 mb 966 mb 1 (64-83 KTS); 2 (84-96 KTS)
5 90 KTS 104 MPH 970 mb 954 mb 2 (84-96 KTS); 3 (97-113 KTS)
5.5 102 KTS 117 MPH 960 mb 941 mb 3 (97-113 KTS)
6 115 KTS 132 MPH 948 mb 927 mb 4 (114-135 KTS)
6.5 127 KTS 146 MPH 935 mb 914 mb 4 (114-135 KTS)
7 140 KTS 161 MPH 921 mb 898 mb 5 (136+ KTS)
7.5 155 KTS 178 MPH 906 mb 879 mb 5 (136+ KTS)
8 170 KTS 196 MPH 890 mb 858 mb 5 (136+ KTS)
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Random Chaos
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Sometime a year ago I found a site that showed graphics indicating what the various levels looked like, but now I have no clue where I saw it. Anyone know of one?
(oh, and I got unlazy and registered)
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Maybe maybe not
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web page
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danielw
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Thanks for registering!
Here's your prize. 
http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/PS/TROP/dvorak.html
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Random Chaos
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I know about those two. No, I was talking about a graphic that showed what the satellite represetation was supposed to look "appoximately" like for each level. Lots of places have the charts you posted links to, but I haven't been able to locate where I found the graphic. I know it wasn't NOAA site.
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Ron Basso
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Looking at the WV loop, either the East coast trough is going to miss Franklin or the closed ULL over Florida will open up and become part of the East coast trough and then kick Franklin to the NE or something else could happen. Really tough to call.
Looks to me that the trough to the north will pass Frankie by...A high pressure system is anchored off the Georgia coast and the ULL in southwest FL is sliding off to the S-SW...I think this high will expand eastward and block Franklin from moving northeast & actually push the storm to the southeast and then south..It may be starting to happen now...I wouldn't be surprised if it makes a clockwise loop and starts heading southwest in a day or two..however, with the north-northwest flow aloft from the Georgia High...I'm not sure what kinda of system will be left..the storm will be badly sheared
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Jamiewx
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Yep, I got it Random Chaos, that would be me who posted that link a little while ago, but here it is again 
http://www.tropicalupdate.com/atlantic_tropic_watch_guide_to_d.htm
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Edited by Jamiewx (Sat Jul 23 2005 10:35 PM)
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Maybe maybe not
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Franklin still moving East as of 10:00PM 30deg / 73deg
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URNT12 KNHC 240213
VORTEX DATA MESSAGE
A. 24/01:51:20Z
B. 30 deg 07 min N
073 deg 08 min W
C. 850 mb 1453 m
D. NA kt
E. deg nm
F. 087 deg 034 kt
G. 349 deg 013 nm
H. EXTRAP 1003 mb
I. 20 C/ 1527 m
J. 22 C/ 1531 m
K. 15 C/ NA
L. NA
M. NA
N. 1345 / 8
O. 0.02 / 1 nm
P. AF302 0506A FRANKLIN OB 10
MAX FL WIND 40 KT SW QUAD 23:39:30 Z
SLP EXTRAP FROM 850 MB
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danielw
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Ron, you may be on to something there. RECON just reported that the highest flight level winds were found in the SE quadrant.
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Major7
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Is something developing just below the Florida panhandle in the NE section of the GOM??
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MichaelA
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11 PM advisory states max winds at 65 MPH. Not surprising since the max convection is now south of the center as seen on IR sat. The center does appear to be moving nearly due East, though.
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MichaelA
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Is something developing just below the Florida panhandle in the NE section of the GOM??
Just the remains of the day's thunderstorms moving off-shore.
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Michael
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pedro
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I was woundering if you guys think there any chance that the storm could split up and reform a new circulation in the south convection of the storm
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