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Ed DunhamAdministrator
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Tropical Outlook For 2009
      #85333 - Sat Jan 24 2009 02:24 PM

Its time to start our annual assessment of anticipated tropical cyclone activity for the 2009 season in the Atlantic basin. Last year 43 site users offered their guesstimates for 2008 tropical cyclone activity - a record high level of participation. The 2008 season ended with 16 named storms of which 8 were hurricanes and 5 of those were major hurricanes (Cat III or stronger) and Mr Corkdork800 hit the totals right on the nose - nice job! Cieldumort (16/8/4) and HanKFranK (15/8/5) were only one off of the total numbers while FtLaudBob (17/9/5), Storm Hobbiest (16/7/4) and Hootie Hoo (15/8/4) were two off on the total numbers - all excellent forecasts! CSU and TSR were also at -2; both with forecasts of 15/8/4.

For the upcoming 2009 season, CSU and TSR are again equal in their outlooks - both are again forecasting an active season of 15/8/4 - and having no real disagreement with their logic, my forecast is similar at 14/8/4. With a weakening La Nina next spring expected to become ENSO neutral during the 2009 season, it looks like activity should remain above average. While the far western Atlantic is expected to be slightly cooler than normal, it is worth noting that the western Atlantic was also slightly cooler than normal during the 2008 season.

Initial best analog seasons appear to be 1990 and 2001 for SSTs and 1996 for pattern. I'll update this thread again in early April, but we'll keep it open until the 2009 season starts on June 1st. Here is your chance to take your own guess at the numbers for 2009. You can update them as you wish until the season starts and remember that forecast rational is not required, but please limit your responses to your actual forecasts and rationale (if any) - it makes it easier at the end of the season to compile the results and see who did well.
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ED


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CaneTrackerInSoFl
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Re: Tropical Outlook For 2009 [Re: Ed Dunham]
      #85334 - Fri Jan 30 2009 03:35 PM

I propose a less active season:

13/6/3

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GlenJohnson
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Re: Tropical Outlook For 2009 [Re: CaneTrackerInSoFl]
      #85335 - Mon Feb 02 2009 01:31 PM

Things have been a bit to odd. I'm gonna have to bump it up a bit to 15/9/6. Hope I'm wrong, but the weather has just been to squirrely. Just a beginner's hunch.

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Re: Tropical Outlook For 2009 [Re: hurricf]
      #85337 - Sat Feb 07 2009 08:02 PM

OK, I'm going with 13/8/3. Hope all are enjoying the peace!

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enterlaughing
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Re: Tropical Outlook For 2009 [Re: GoBigSurf]
      #85338 - Tue Feb 10 2009 09:02 PM

Let's see.......things have been rather dull and dry........I'm going with 14/5/3

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Re: Tropical Outlook For 2009 [Re: enterlaughing]
      #85339 - Fri Feb 27 2009 07:07 AM

14-7-4

I hope everyone has had a great offseason thus far.


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Re: Tropical Outlook For 2009 [Re: M.A.]
      #85341 - Mon Mar 02 2009 01:58 PM

I`m going with 13-7-3

Edited by B.C.Francis (Mon Mar 02 2009 02:01 PM)


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LisaC
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Re: Tropical Outlook For 2009 [Re: B.C.Francis]
      #85343 - Mon Mar 02 2009 06:04 PM

We (South Florida) have had a cool winter. Its been a great chance of pace. Just this morning while walking the dogs in 48 degree weather I was asking myself, what does this mean for hurricane season.

I say

15/7/3

Stay warm until then!


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Re: Tropical Outlook For 2009 [Re: LisaC]
      #85344 - Thu Mar 05 2009 11:17 AM

Let's see a weak La Nina in place that may very well go neutral or transition to Nino late in the season, so I am going with fewer storms and it could be a busy front end of season and an early end to the season. Enjoy the cool off season.

So I say

12/6/2

lowest number so far I think...we shall see

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Re: Tropical Outlook For 2009 [Re: Ed Dunham]
      #85345 - Thu Mar 05 2009 01:41 PM

Hurricane Season 2009 12/6/4

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Re: Tropical Outlook For 2009 [Re: LisaC]
      #85346 - Thu Mar 05 2009 07:09 PM

Quote:

We (South Florida) have had a cool winter. Its been a great chance of pace. Just this morning while walking the dogs in 48 degree weather I was asking myself, what does this mean for hurricane season.

I say

15/7/3

Stay warm until then!




The other odd thing is that we've had virtually no rain here since November. Not sure what that means for hurricane season, but ... 16/7/4.


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Re: Tropical Outlook For 2009 [Re: Ed Dunham]
      #85353 - Sat Mar 21 2009 10:09 PM

14/7/5

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Re: Tropical Outlook For 2009 [Re: saluki]
      #85354 - Mon Mar 23 2009 06:03 PM


One could hope that there would be a year with no US landfalls, but then I feel selfish because odds are someone else will be dealing with it. So maybe this year, whatever comes our way, let them all be cat1 and 2, or a nice tamish tropical system to raise the water table.
12/6/4

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Re: Tropical Outlook For 2009 [Re: Ed Dunham]
      #85355 - Thu Mar 26 2009 05:54 PM

I still have no reason to think we're not in a hyperactive pattern.

17/10/5 with 2 Tropical Depressions

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Re: Tropical Outlook For 2009 [Re: Bloodstar]
      #85359 - Mon Mar 30 2009 10:33 PM

Can you give us another update on the 09 season ED?

Thanks

(Please use the PM capability for personal requests and responses - only post seasonal forecasts in this thread.)

Edited by Ed Dunham (Sun Apr 05 2009 03:40 PM)


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Ed DunhamAdministrator
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Re: Tropical Outlook For 2009 [Re: Ed Dunham]
      #85360 - Sun Apr 05 2009 04:05 PM

The ENSO forecast remains unchanged with Neutral to slightly above normal SST conditions expected in the tropical eastern Pacific, but the Atlantic outlook has changed with slightly below normal SST conditions expected for the entire hurricane season in the tropical Atlantic south of 20N, the Caribbean Sea and the Gulf of Mexico. Given the massive amount of Sahara dust currently blowing off of western Africa and extending all the way to northeastern South America, the cooler than normal SST forecast may well be justified.

1989 and 1996 now seem to be the best analog years. With ENSO Neutral conditions and a cooler tropical Atlantic, I've lowered my forecast for the season to 12/7/3 - a normal to just slightly above normal season. If the western African area remains dry and dusty into June, there would be a better probability for even lower numbers rather than higher ones.This thread will remain open though May 31st so that you can post your own forecasts and/or revisions.

TSR issues their Atlantic basin forecast on 4/6/09 and CSU follows with their forecast on 4/7/09.
Cheers,
ED


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Hurricane29
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Re: Tropical Outlook For 2009 [Re: Ed Dunham]
      #85361 - Mon Apr 06 2009 07:20 PM

Tropical Storm Risk today calling for what looks like an average season in 2009...15/8/4

Average since about 1995.

I'll also go with 15/8/4 for my numbers.

Edited by Hurricane29 (Mon Apr 06 2009 07:21 PM)


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Ed DunhamAdministrator
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Re: Tropical Outlook For 2009 [Re: Ed Dunham]
      #85362 - Tue Apr 07 2009 11:24 AM

CSU's Forecast (issued today) calls for 12/6/2 - with similar considerations of expected ENSO conditions and lower SSTs in the tropical Atlantic.
Cheers,
ED


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Re: Tropical Outlook For 2009 [Re: Ed Dunham]
      #85365 - Sat Apr 18 2009 08:51 PM

I'll go with 11/5/3 for this early.

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Re: Tropical Outlook For 2009 [Re: Ed Dunham]
      #85372 - Sat Apr 25 2009 09:48 AM

On a limb.

9/7/2


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