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The Four Corners - Plus One
      #8622 - Sun Aug 03 2003 10:05 AM

The Atlantic Basin continues to sleep, but there are some potential candidates for a wake-up call in a few days. Upper lows and the east coast trough have really compressed the Atlantic ridge and as a result, the basin is not what one would normally expect for early August with small jet streaks and areas of shear. SSTs are still sub-par in the far eastern Atlantic above about 12N and the compression has shoved the ITCZ quite a bit to the south in the central north Atlantic. Interesting to note that in many previous years which had early activity, that early activity was often followed by a rather quiet August (the exception was 1995, but conditions were quite different in that year).

The Four Corners:
Extra-tropical low near 35.4N 45.1W at 12Z this Sunday morning is drifting to the east southeast and has developed convection east through southeast of the center. Not much chance for development,...but its there.

East coast trough (the former Invest 99L) continues to fire convection but shows no real organization. Has a possible weak mid-level center near 27.0N 74.4W at 12Z. Movement is to the west northwest at about 7 knots. Saturday at 18Z this feature was located at 26.0N 72.5W and movement at that time was to the northwest at 10 knots. Still a slim chance for some development in this area.

Active tropical wave with a focal point near 12.2N 67.5W at 12Z moving to the west at 12 knots. No evidence of circulation but excellent outflow to the east. System is about to encounter some southwesterly shear, however this may tend to nudge the system more to the northwest rather than diminish it. The wave became active yesterday in the eastern Caribbean Sea but lost most of its convection yesterday evening. It fired up again early this morning and may be a 'sleeper' in the four-corner scenario.

Invest 90L has maintained its low-level circulation center (barely, but its still there). At 12Z the center was located at 14.4N 50.6W and it was moving to the west northwest. System has been moving to the west northwest for the past 48 hours, although at a slower rate in the past 24 hours. The system is forecast to continue on this slow west northwest course for the remainder of the week. Convection is currently far removed to the north northwest, however, as long as the circulation center survives, development is certainly possible.

The Plus One:
A new active tropical wave has emerged from the west African coast - southeast of the Cape Verde Islands near 10N 20W. Currently embedded in the ITCZ, but appears to have a weak circulation center - still way too early to tell if this one has a chance at development - like all of the waves of the past few weeks, this one also has a rough road ahead of it.
ED

NRL Monterey Marine Meteorology Division Forecast Track of Active Systems (Good Forecast Track Graphic and Satellite Photos)

NASA GHCC Interactive Satellite images at:

North Atlantic Visible (Daytime Only), Infrared, Water Vapor

Some forecast models:
NGM, AVN, MRF, ETA ECMWF


DoD Weather Models (NOGAPS, AVN, MRF)
AVN, ECMWF, GFDL, MM5, NOGAPS, UKMET

Multi-model plots from WREL

Other commentary at Mike Anderson's East Coast Tropical Weather Center, Robert Lightbown/Crown Weather Tropical Update Accuweather's Joe Bastardi (now subcriber only unfortunately), Cyclomax (Rich B.), Hurricane City , mpittweather , Tropical Weather Watchers.Com (JasonM) Gary Gray's Millennium Weather, Barometer Bob's Hurricane Hollow, Snonut,
Even more on the links page.

Edited by John C (Mon Aug 04 2003 06:45 PM)


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Re: The Four Corners - Plus One
      #8623 - Sun Aug 03 2003 11:17 AM

Very interesting.

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Re: The Four Corners - Plus One
      #8624 - Sun Aug 03 2003 11:20 AM

i can only reply by saying... yep.
ed covered everything that caught my eye and some things that didn't.
may be of some interest to note that NAO is going strongly negative in the coming week. more of something to look for late in the season, but it does favor a development zone from the western caribbean up to near florida. there is teleconnective support for this idea in that two westpac systems have formed east of the phillipines and are tracking NW.
HF 1523z03august


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good site..orca
      #8625 - Sun Aug 03 2003 12:09 PM

http://orca.rsmas.miami.edu/wximages/jet/1_05/anis.html

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Re: The Four Corners - Plus One
      #8626 - Sun Aug 03 2003 12:55 PM

Yes the box is bound to get busy...meanwhile 14.6/51.1 is still kicking

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Re: Models
      #8627 - Sun Aug 03 2003 01:10 PM

Is it my imagination or does the models really suck this year worse then other years. It seems everytime the models show some kind of development it fizzles...

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Re: Models
      #8628 - Sun Aug 03 2003 01:20 PM

I guess it would depend on if you are looking at track or intensity models. I think it is close to the same as past years, just alot of activity earily this season. I think as far as formation goes NOGAPS has done well.

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Re: The Four Corners - Plus One
      #8629 - Sun Aug 03 2003 01:23 PM

Just took a look at the IR loop. Looks like I am seeing a very small amount of convection trying to wrap up into the circulation. Maybe my eyes are just seeing things. Does anyone else see this? If you don't thats ok, my glasses are broken and I can't see to good right now. LOL


http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/PS/TROP/DATA/RT/watl-ir4-loop.html

Hit the zoom button...

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Re: The Four Corners - Plus One
      #8630 - Sun Aug 03 2003 01:28 PM

It is trying very hard.

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Re: The Four Corners - Plus One
      #8631 - Sun Aug 03 2003 02:35 PM

The only thing I really see Toni is some clouds out front that might get trailed into the system.I guess it's a wait and see situation.I was wondering though about this lack of moisture out there.I mean that here along the MS GC region we are way up on our rainfall this year.The only area thus far this year able to support systems is the GOM.These systems would of been okay if it was not for the ULL's out there.It's part of the cycle right now maybe?The location of the moisture.If this system can hold and go S of the main Islands
maybe the ability to facilitate development will increase.I do not like the area N of the Islands thus far this year,might of as well call this the graveyard.


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Re: The Four Corners - Plus One
      #8632 - Sun Aug 03 2003 02:47 PM

The soon-to-be tropical wave near 20W looks mildly interesting because it has a decent structure and some moderate convection. But look at the dry air to west...I dunno...


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Re: The Four Corners - Plus One
      #8633 - Sun Aug 03 2003 03:02 PM

Strongly agree on both points. We have seen a bunch of ULL's this season and the Atlantic has been pretty dry. I guess we will just have to wait and see if this lets up or not. As far as the GOM,we have seen our share of rain for a while now. It can stop for a while any time it wants to. If things does not pick back up in the next couple of weeks with some type of pattern change as you said, then the Atlantic may not be as active as I thought, The wave train will depart from the coast only to mysteriously disappear in the Atlantic. Don't misunderstand, I am by no means writting off the CV season. I still think it has a very good chance to be active.

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Re: The Four Corners - Plus One
      #8634 - Sun Aug 03 2003 03:11 PM

Looks good right now Kevin, but all it has is dry air to look forward too. It's goin to choke, it will either die immediatly or we will watch another slow death. Unless we can get some moisture out there!

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Re: The Four Corners - Plus One
      #8635 - Sun Aug 03 2003 07:49 PM

Lots Of turning going on out there the low at 50w looks better then ever structure wise reminds me of floyd in sise not the liitle dimple things we have scene this year, all its need is convection now will wait to see if that happens near 60w. The wave in front looks like its trying to develop and that could be causing the 52w west low to slow down wich wouldent be good for the southeast. Apart from that the 32n circualtion looks like maby it will do something, and the trough off the se coast looks the same with a bit more organization. I belive its to early for this kind of development with that type of system on the move in the southwest atlintic. Plus typically an upper / trough feature needs to be stationary for a wee bit to gain organization and not on the move.

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Re: The Four Corners - Plus One
      #8636 - Sun Aug 03 2003 07:53 PM

You notice Toni or am I imagining things is 90L possibly redveloping new circulation to the N.I still see the LLC in IF frames weakly at 14.7N 52W.The system is either tilted or reforming to the N possibly.And Kevin the picture on the new system looks good,the cruel death that might await it.Got to go do some video golf with the boy see if I can kick his butt.

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Re: The Four Corners - Plus One
      #8637 - Sun Aug 03 2003 08:21 PM

It has a lot to deal with but it is fighting. The sat pic on NRL stands out to me. It is linked on CFHC news page. As far as center reformation, hard for me to tell but possible

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Re: The Four Corners - Plus One
      #8638 - Sun Aug 03 2003 09:24 PM

what is the red bulldog for ?

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Re: The Four Corners - Plus One
      #8639 - Sun Aug 03 2003 09:24 PM

After a few more looks I believe you are correct regarding a relocation of center. It does appear to me that it is becoming a little more balanced and if you look at the latest sat the "swirl" is 360 degrees. I can't make out the clear center as was the case a while ago so I would have to say it has moved. It is not done yet

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Re: The Four Corners - Plus One
      #8640 - Sun Aug 03 2003 10:24 PM

my son played baseball at Mississippi State and I wondered if that were the Georgia Bulldog or not?

thanks

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Re: The Four Corners - Plus One
      #8641 - Sun Aug 03 2003 10:31 PM

Hey all, having computer problems tonight,been on and off line and I can't seem to get a good sat. loop to load up right. Would love to be able to check out the possible new spin but unable to right now. I will keep trying. Still a possibility for this thing to finally take off, if the environment gets a little healthier. Sounds like the structure is improving, now let's see some convection.

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