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Very Large & Dangerous Isaac Going Nowhere Fast
      #93835 - Tue Aug 28 2012 08:47 AM

5:00 AM EDT 29 August 2012 Update
Isaac made a second technical landfall early this morning, but on the whole is hardly moving. Pressure is remarkably low for a Category 1, at 969mb, and maximum sustained winds are holding at 80 MPH.

Lots of wind with Isaac. Inland storm reports so far include numerous downed trees, severe roof damage, etc., but focus really turns to the potential for substantial flooding.

Louisiana Homeland Security has confirmed that a levee in Plaquemines Parish has overtopped. While overtopping is not the same as a breach, significant, deep flooding in that area is possible, and emergency evacuations are underway in its immediate vicinity despite very rough weather. Sometimes an overtopping results in a complete breach.

The overtopping is occurring from the St. Bernard line all the way to White Ditch, about an 18 mile stretch, according to initial reports.

Many more hours of wind, rain and surge to go. Southeast Louisiana may not yet be even half way through.
Ciel

2:00 AM EDT 29 August 2012 Update
On this anniversary date of the infamous second landfall of Hurricane Katrina, 2012's Hurricane Isaac is packing a punch of its own on southeastern Louisiana, causing more than a few unpleasant flashbacks.

Fortunately, Isaac is no Katrina. That is the good news. The bad news: in many ways it is a lot more like 2008's Hurricane Ike. The ugly: Isaac has basically pulled up stationary just offshore, and even when it does start to move again, it is expected to do so painfully slowly.

Weather stations throughout New Orleans are currently reporting sustained winds of up to over 50 MPH, gusting over 70, but the real concern, much as it was not so many years ago, is the water. Despite substantial upgrades and reinforcements, there is understandable concern among residents as to whether or not man has sufficiently outwitted mother nature. With the power out for hundreds of thousands, getting timely, accurate updates is problematic.

A long, long night for many.
Ciel

8:30 PM EDT 28 August 2012 Update
Hurricane Isaac is actually still intensifying as it heads for a second landfall expected to happen later tonight, now down to a very low 968mb per the latest Recon Vortex Message.



Isaac is a very dangerous hurricane. Surge is piling up, and locations especially in its northeast quadrant are forecast to see surge of up to 12 feet, possibly locally higher. In addition, surface wind gusts over 60 MPH are becoming commonplace, and widespread rainfall totals of 8" to 20" will lead to life-threatening inland flooding.
Ciel



7:10 PM EDT 28 August 2012 Update
Isaac has made a first, of what will probably be at least two landfalls, in extreme southeastern Louisiana - Plaquemines Parish - at 6:45PM CDT.

Hurricane Isaac continues deepening into landfall, and may yet become even stronger by the time it makes a likely second landfall later this evening, or overnight tonight.

Potentially deadly storm surge and inland flooding are already occurring, and are forecast to continue to do so far at least another 12-24 hours.
Ciel

12:20 PM EDT 28 August 2012 Update
Just an update to note that Isaac has finally become a definitive hurricane.

Hurricane Isaac is a very large tropical cyclone, with a sphere of influence nearly 900 miles wide. In addition to Isaac's girth, the hurricane is boasting unusually low pressures for a barely Cat 1. This is because of its very large size, combined with repeated challenges to it from shear, dry air, and competing, multiple centers.

It is important not to let the "minimal" category fool anyone into a sense of security. Isaac is very similar to Hurricane Ike (2008), also a very large tropical cyclone that boasted exceptionally low barometric pressures for its given moniker at any given time; ie, tropical storm, cat 1, cat 2, etc.

As with Ike, Isaac's intensification is going to be experienced in winds that are strong to very strong over a much wider area than typical in a hurricane; as such, storm surge will potentially be much more of an issue than might be expected in "just" a Cat 1.

In addition to likely widespread minor to moderately severe storm surge, inland flooding will probably become a serious, life-threatening event, owing to Isaac's size and slowing forward speed (including a possible stall just offshore, or just inland over Louisiana).

Tornadoes are frequently a concern with landfalling tropical cyclones, and this is no exception with Hurricane Isaac. SPC does have a Tornado Watch up covering much of the northern Gulf coast, including southeast Louisiana, southwest Alabama, far southeast Mississippi, and the western Florida panhandle, and they will likely issue several more over the next few days related to Isaac, as warranted.

Measures to save life and property within and near Isaac's forecast path should now be rushed to completion.
Ciel

Tropical Storm Isaac is still just under hurricane status tonight as it slowly starts to move to the northwest toward the coasts of Mississippi and Alabama.

Isaac has a flat appearance on satellite, with most of the convection to the south at the moment, as it wraps around the center, it likely will affect areas east of the landfall point the most. Which would imply Mississippi and Alabama to get some of the worst.

So far, only some small parts of the outer rain bands have reached the Gulf, with the bulk of the storm still a ways south of there. But as the day rolls on, more and more will come, but the system appears nearly sliced in half with the majority of the convection to the south.



This slow motion will likely cause extended periods of surge and rain. Some models have it at or just over the coast for a few days, which would make Isaac's flooding potential be it's legacy.

Dry air and a lack of a solid core have plagued Isaac it's entire run, and that has kept it weaker. Still the large windfield of the storm, and it's continual push to strengthen mean it still is quite dangerous. It will be nowhere close to Hurricane Katrina in 2005, but it will be enough to cause storm surge flooding i areas, and flooding rains, and a few people may still get surprised by the system..

Beyond Isaac, 97L has a good shot at becoming a depression, but will likely stay out to sea, And another wave (no invest number yet) in the east Atlantic may form later in the week, and may track further westward.

Late rain bands yesterday caused flooding unseen in south Florida and just along the east coast in years, as the band trained over the same area for hours.

Let everyone know about Isaac related conditions in your area

Special Storm Related Links

Long Term RBTOP Satellite Float of Isaac (2012) -- Alternate style

Full Florida Radar Recording of Isaac Approach - Alternate animation

Noaa Hurricane Research Division Flight twitter

Flowing Wind Map

Power Outage Map for Louisiana

One minute Satellite Imagery of Isaac (Special GOES-14)

Storm Surge Probabilities for Isaac

Webcams and Streaming Video


Erato Street Terminal Cam Flhurricane Recording - New Orleans ( Alternate )

Gulf Shores, AL Webcam / Flhurricane Recording ( <a href="url=http://flhurricane.com/imageanimator.php?144" target="_blank">Alternate</a> )

Bourbon St Cam


Follow-along map/video of HurricaneTrack's Mark Sudduth (Joined by Mike Watkins later). GPS map, Radar, sat, and streaming video Please see hurricanetrack.com.
Mark and Mike are in Mississippi.

Jim Williams from Hurricane City is taking to the road for Isaac

]"Cyclone Oz" from Crazymother and his brother are also crazy and following Isaac with two vehicles also <a href="Crazymother " target="_blank">Crazymother video</a>

Note: Webcams tend to get overloaded and die during events like these, if power outages don't get to them first.


Florida Keys traffic cameras

Southernmost House Key West Cam RecordingAlt)

Louisiana Information

Govt/Official Info:

Louisiana Emergency Management

Mississippi Emergency Management

Alabama Emergency Management

Louisiana Dept. of Transportation - Road Closures, Traffic Cams, etc.

Mississippi - Road Closures, Traffic Cams, etc

Alabama Road Conditions and Traffic Cameras


Media Newspapers/TV/Radio:

Nola.com New Orleans Times-Picayune

WWL TV 4 (CBS Affiliate in New Orleans)

ABC 26 TV (ABC Affiliate in New Orleans)

WDSU Channel 6 (NBC Affiliate New Orleans)

Fox 8 (New Orleans)

WTIX 690 News Radio

WWL 870 News Radio

WTOK 11 / Missippii Alabama ABC Affiliate

WKRG 5 in Mobile/Pensacola

WPMI Channel 15 from Mobile

WWL AM 870 in New Orleans streaming. Storm information online

Northeast Gulf Links Southeast Composite Radar Loop (Latest Static)

Tampa Bay, FL Radar Long Range Radar Loop ( Latest Static)

Key West, FL Radar Long Range Radar Loop ( Latest Static)

Mobile, AL Radar Long Range Radar Loop ( Latest Static)

Tallahassee FL Radar Long Range Radar Loop ( Latest Static)

Northwest Florida Radar Long Range Radar Loop ( Latest Static)

Gulf of Mexico Satellite Imagery

SFWMD Full Florida Radar (Includes east LA, MS,AL) Loop with Storm Track

Area Forecast Discussions: Mississippi/Alabama/Pensacola - Panhandle/Tallahassee - Tampa/West Central Florida

North Gulf Links North Gulf/Southern Mississippi Valley Composite Radar Loop (Latest Static) East to West:

Mobile, AL Radar Long Range Radar Loop ( Latest Static)

New Orleans, LA Radar Long Range Radar Loop ( Latest Static)

Lake Charles, LA Radar Long Range Radar Loop ( Latest Static)

Houston/Galveston, TX Radar Long Range Radar Loop ( Latest Static)

Gulf of Mexico Satellite Imagery

Area Forecast Discussions: Mississippi/Alabama/Pensacola - New Orleans, LA - Lake Charles, LA - Houston/Galveston, TX

Invest 99L Event Related Links
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Animated Skeetobite Model Plot of Invest 99L
SFWMD Model Plot (Animated Model Plot) SFWMD Hurricane Page (More Tracking Information)
Clark Evans Track Model Plot of Invest 99L (Animated!)
Clark Evans Intensity Model Plot of Invest 99L (Animated!)
Clark Evans Top 10 Analog Storms for Invest 99L
More model runs on from RAL/Jonathan Vigh's page
NRL Info on Invest 99L -- RAMMB Info

Floater Satellite Images: Visible (Loop), IR (Loop), WV (Loop), Dvorak (Loop), AVN (Loop), RGB (Loop), Rainbow (Loop), Funktop (Loop), RB Top Loop)


TS Kirk Event Related Links
AL112012mltsth.gif
Animated Skeetobite Model Plot of Kirk
SFWMD Model Plot (Animated Model Plot) SFWMD Hurricane Page (More Tracking Information)
Clark Evans Track Model Plot of Kirk (Animated!)
Clark Evans Intensity Model Plot of Kirk (Animated!)
Clark Evans Top 10 Analog Storms for Kirk
More model runs on from RAL/Jonathan Vigh's page
NRL Info on Kirk -- RAMMB Info

Floater Satellite Images: Visible (Loop), IR (Loop), WV (Loop), Dvorak (Loop), AVN (Loop), RGB (Loop), Rainbow (Loop), Funktop (Loop), RB Top Loop)


TS Leslie Event Related Links
AL122012mltsth.gif
Animated Skeetobite Model Plot of Leslie
SFWMD Model Plot (Animated Model Plot) SFWMD Hurricane Page (More Tracking Information)
Clark Evans Track Model Plot of Leslie (Animated!)
Clark Evans Intensity Model Plot of Leslie (Animated!)
Clark Evans Top 10 Analog Storms for Leslie
More model runs on from RAL/Jonathan Vigh's page
NRL Info on Leslie -- RAMMB Info

Floater Satellite Images: Visible (Loop), IR (Loop), WV (Loop), Dvorak (Loop), AVN (Loop), RGB (Loop), Rainbow (Loop), Funktop (Loop), RB Top Loop)




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Re: Issac Slowly Moving Northwest, Almost a Hurricane [Re: MikeC]
      #93836 - Tue Aug 28 2012 09:19 AM

Added recording:
Erato Street Terminal Cam Flhurricane Recording - New Orleans ( Alternate )

Gulf Shores, AL Webcam / Flhurricane Recording ( Alternate )

Gulfport, MS Cam HT Recording ( Alternate )


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Re: Issac Slowly Moving Northwest, Almost a Hurricane [Re: MikeC]
      #93837 - Tue Aug 28 2012 10:47 AM

It looks like a Duck to me. Using the data below.

Product: Air Force Vortex Message (URNT12 KNHC)
Transmitted: 28th day of the month at 14:01Z
Aircraft: Air Force Aircraft (Last 3 digits of the tail number are 306)
Storm Number & Year: 09L in 2012
Storm Name: Isaac (flight in the North Atlantic basin)
Mission Number: 31
Observation Number: 08
A. Time of Center Fix: 28th day of the month at 13:34:50Z
B. Center Fix Coordinates: 28°02'N 88°30'W (28.0333N 88.5W) (View map)
B. Center Fix Location: 164 miles (264 km) to the SE (145°) from New Orleans, LA, USA.
C. Minimum Height at Standard Level: 1,229m (4,032ft) at 850mb
D. Estimated (by SFMR or visually) Maximum Surface Wind: 60kts (~ 69.0mph)
E. Location of the Estimated Maximum Surface Wind: 53 nautical miles (61 statute miles) to the NE (54°) of center fix
F. Maximum Flight Level Wind Inbound: From 138° at 89kts (From the SE at ~ 102.4mph)
G. Location of Maximum Flight Level Wind Inbound: 55 nautical miles (63 statute miles) to the NE (53°) of center fix
H. Minimum Sea Level Pressure: 977mb (28.85 inHg)
I. Maximum Flight Level Temp & Pressure Altitude Outside Eye: 17°C (63°F) at a pressure alt. of 1,523m (4,997ft)
J. Maximum Flight Level Temp & Pressure Altitude Inside Eye: 22°C (72°F) at a pressure alt. of 1,524m (5,000ft)
K. Dewpoint Temp (collected at same location as temp inside eye): 20°C (68°F)
K. Sea Surface Temp (collected at same location as temp inside eye): Not Available
L. Eye Character: Not Available
M. Eye Shape: Not Available
N. Fix Determined By: Penetration, Radar, Wind, Pressure and Temperature
N. Fix Level: 850mb
O. Navigation Fix Accuracy: 0.02 nautical miles
O. Meteorological Accuracy: 1 nautical mile
Remarks Section:
Maximum Flight Level Wind: 89kts (~ 102.4mph) in the northeast quadrant at 13:17:00Z


Product: NOAA Vortex Message (URNT12 KWBC)
Transmitted: 28th day of the month at 14:15Z
Aircraft: Lockheed WP-3D Orion (Reg. Num. N42RF)
Storm Number & Year: 09L in 2012
Storm Name: Isaac (flight in the North Atlantic basin)
Mission Number: 30
Observation Number: 23
A. Time of Center Fix: 28th day of the month at 13:39:21Z
B. Center Fix Coordinates: 28°00'N 88°30'W (28.N 88.5W)
B. Center Fix Location: 166 miles (267 km) to the SE (145°) from New Orleans, LA, USA.
C. Minimum Height at Standard Level (Undecoded): NA NA
D. Estimated (by SFMR or visually) Maximum Surface Wind: 58kts (~ 66.7mph)
E. Location of the Estimated Maximum Surface Wind: 49 nautical miles (56 statute miles) to the NE (42°) of center fix
F. Maximum Flight Level Wind Inbound: From 124° at 84kts (From between the ESE and SE at ~ 96.7mph)
G. Location of Maximum Flight Level Wind Inbound: 56 nautical miles (64 statute miles) to the NE (43°) of center fix
H. Minimum Sea Level Pressure: 977mb (28.85 inHg)
I. Maximum Flight Level Temp & Pressure Altitude Outside Eye: 15°C (59°F) at a pressure alt. of 2,461m (8,074ft)
J. Maximum Flight Level Temp & Pressure Altitude Inside Eye: 19°C (66°F) at a pressure alt. of 2,456m (8,058ft)
K. Dewpoint Temp (collected at same location as temp inside eye): 14°C (57°F)
K. Sea Surface Temp (collected at same location as temp inside eye): Not Available
L. Eye Character: Open in the southwest
M. Eye Shape: Elliptical (oval shaped)
M. Orientation of Major Axis in Elliptical Eye: 130° to 310° (SE to NW)
M. Length of Major Axis in Elliptical Eye: 25 nautical miles (29 statute miles)
M. Length of Minor Axis in Elliptical Eye: 20 nautical miles (23 statute miles)
N. Fix Determined By: Penetration, Radar, Wind, Pressure and Temperature
N. Fix Level: Other - Not surface, 1500ft, 925mb (if vortex is newer than about mid 90's; see note for more), 850mb, 700mb, 500mb, 400mb, 300mb or 200mb
Remarks Section - Remarks That Were Decoded...
Maximum Flight Level Wind: 84kts (~ 96.7mph) in the northeast quadrant at 13:25:42Z
Maximum Flight Level Wind Outbound: 59kts (~ 67.9mph) in the southwest quadrant at 13:51:05Z

Maximum Flight Level Temp: 19°C (66°F) which was observed 7 nautical miles to the NE (52°) from the flight level center
Remarks Section - Additional Remarks...
SEC MAX FL WIND 68 KT BRNG:43 deg RNG:96 nm

Edited by danielw (Tue Aug 28 2012 10:51 AM)


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Re: Issac Slowly Moving Northwest, Almost a Hurricane [Re: danielw]
      #93839 - Tue Aug 28 2012 10:53 AM

There should be a new vortex from mission 31...but they have messured pressure 975. Looks like the eys is just about closed off. Does anyone ever recall a tropical storm with a pressure this low? This is a cat2 level pressure

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Re: Issac Slowly Moving Northwest, Almost a Hurricane [Re: danielw]
      #93840 - Tue Aug 28 2012 11:00 AM

No Duck...

TROPICAL STORM ISAAC DISCUSSION NUMBER 30
NWS National Hurricane Center MIAMI FL AL092012
1000 AM CDT TUE AUG 28 2012

REPORTS FROM AIR FORCE AND NOAA HURRICANE HUNTER AIRCRAFT INDICATE
THE CENTRAL PRESSURE HAS DECREASED TO ABOUT 976 MB SINCE THE
PREVIOUS ADVISORY...BUT IT HAS LEVELED OFF OVER THE PAST FEW HOURS.
THE MAXIMUM 850 MB FLIGHT-LEVEL WIND OBSERVED HAS BEEN 89 KT...
WHICH EQUATES TO A SURFACE WIND OF ABOUT 71 KT. HOWEVER...
BIAS-ADJUSTED SFMR SURFACE WINDS HAVE ONLY BEEN AROUND 60-62 KT...
WHICH CORRELATES WELL WITH DROPSONDE BOUNDARY LAYER-DERIVED SURFACE
WINDS. AS SUCH...THE INTENSITY OF ISAAC IS BEING MAINTAINED AT 60
KT...WHICH IS JUST BELOW HURRICANE STATUS.


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Re: Issac Slowly Moving Northwest, Almost a Hurricane [Re: danielw]
      #93841 - Tue Aug 28 2012 12:00 PM

Recon found hurricane force winds at the surface (92 knots at flight level), which puts it at hurricane strength.

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Re: Issac Slowly Moving Northwest, Almost a Hurricane [Re: WeatherNut]
      #93842 - Tue Aug 28 2012 12:11 PM

This "eye" feature is not the eye; the center of the cyclone is just to the WNW; radar confirms the center is quite large and devoid of precipitation; latest vortex message also confirms this as well.

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Hurricane Issac Slowly Moving Northwest [Re: berrywr]
      #93845 - Tue Aug 28 2012 12:23 PM

HURRICANE ISAAC TROPICAL CYCLONE UPDATE
NWS National Hurricane Center MIAMI FL AL092012
1120 AM CDT TUE AUG 28 2012

...RECONNAISSANCE DATA INDICATE ISAAC FINALLY ACHIEVES HURRICANE
STATUS...

REPORTS FROM AN AIR FORCE RESERVE HURRICANE HUNTER AIRCRAFT
INDICATE THAT MAXIMUM WINDS ASSOCIATED WITH ISAAC HAVE INCREASED
TO 75 MPH...120 KM/H. ON THIS BASIS...ISAAC IS BEING UPGRADED TO
A HURRICANE.

SUMMARY OF 1120 AM CDT...1620 UTC...INFORMATION
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LOCATION...28.1N 88.6W
ABOUT 75 MI...115 KM SSE OF THE MOUTH OF THE MISSISSIPPI RIVER
ABOUT 160 MI...250 KM SE OF NEW ORLEANS LOUISIANA
MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...75 MPH...120 KM/H
PRESENT MOVEMENT...NW OR 310 DEGREES AT 10 MPH...17 KM/H
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...975 MB...28.79 INCHES

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Re: Hurricane Issac Slowly Moving Northwest [Re: danielw]
      #93849 - Tue Aug 28 2012 01:42 PM

Any guesstimation on when this thing is going to come on shore? It's sitting off the coast taunting us.

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Re: Hurricane Issac Slowly Moving Northwest [Re: BabyCat]
      #93850 - Tue Aug 28 2012 01:59 PM

Landfall could be a painfully slow process, since it looks like Isaac may move roughly parallel the coast at a slow rate of speed. At best, it will approach from a very oblique angle to the coastline. The strongest winds are still in a strong convective band about 100 miles NE of the center. That should start to move onshore in the next couple of hours, even if the center remains offshore.

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Re: Hurricane Issac Slowly Moving Northwest [Re: BabyCat]
      #93851 - Tue Aug 28 2012 02:00 PM

Quote:

Any guesstimation on when this thing is going to come on shore? It's sitting off the coast taunting us.




The best answer to this question is probably going to be found from the experts at the National Hurricane Center, which believe it will be "on land" (southern Louisiana is rather marshy) in about 12-24 hours. However, with Isaac, please note that whether or not its absolute center comes on shore is somewhat irrelevant; life-threatening impacts will begin well in advance of, and well after, "landfall" - Ciel


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Re: Isaac a Very Large & Dangerous Hurricane [Re: MikeC]
      #93852 - Tue Aug 28 2012 02:49 PM

Power Outage Map for Louisiana

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Re: Isaac a Very Large & Dangerous Hurricane [Re: MikeC]
      #93854 - Tue Aug 28 2012 03:47 PM

It appears, at least to me, that there is nothing steering this thing. ??

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Re: Isaac a Very Large & Dangerous Hurricane [Re: MikeC]
      #93857 - Tue Aug 28 2012 06:43 PM

Pretty significant structural improvement continues with Isaac this evening.

Provided enough of Isaac remains offshore, it may very well be a higher category within the next 4-8 hours. From the looks of things, Isaac may make a first official landfall tonight, but much of southern Louisiana is a mix of inlets, coves, bays, wet marshlands, etc., allowing for ongoing intensification up to, and perhaps into technical landfall.


A. Time of Center Fix: 28th day of the month at 21:59:55Z
B. Center Fix Coordinates: 28°46'N 89°03'W (28.7667N 89.05W)
B. Center Fix Location: 103 miles (166 km) to the SE (144°) from New Orleans, LA, USA.
C. Minimum Height at Standard Level: 2,917m (9,570ft) at 700mb
D. Estimated (by SFMR or visually) Maximum Surface Wind: Not Available
E. Bearing & Range from Center of Estimated Maximum Surface Wind (Undecoded): 301 deg 1 nm
F. Maximum Flight Level Wind Inbound: From 83° at 80kts (From the E at ~ 92.1mph)
G. Location of Maximum Flight Level Wind Inbound: 45 nautical miles (52 statute miles) to the NNW (343°) of center fix
H. Minimum Sea Level Pressure: 971mb (28.67 inHg)
I. Maximum Flight Level Temp & Pressure Altitude Outside Eye: 12°C (54°F) at a pressure alt. of 3,061m (10,043ft)
J. Maximum Flight Level Temp & Pressure Altitude Inside Eye: 17°C (63°F) at a pressure alt. of 3,066m (10,059ft)
K. Dewpoint Temp (collected at same location as temp inside eye): 13°C (55°F)
K. Sea Surface Temp (collected at same location as temp inside eye): Not Available
L. Eye Character: Open in the southwest
M. Eye Shape & Diameter: Circular with a diameter of 40 nautical miles (46 statute miles)
N. Fix Determined By: Penetration, Radar, Wind, Pressure and Temperature
N. Fix Level: 700mb
O. Fix Determined By / Fix Level (Undecoded): 1 / 1 nm
Remarks Section - Remarks That Were Decoded...
Maximum Flight Level Temp: 17°C (63°F) which was observed 7 nautical miles to the NE/ENE (56°) from the flight level center
Remarks Section - Additional Remarks...
MAX OUTBOUND FL WIND AND MAX FL WIND 91 KT NE QUAD 22:10:20Z


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Re: Isaac a Very Large & Dangerous Hurricane [Re: cieldumort]
      #93858 - Tue Aug 28 2012 07:00 PM

Imagine what Isaac could have been if it had the current upper level environment throughout its trek across the gulf.

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Re: Isaac a Very Large & Dangerous Hurricane [Re: Hawkeyewx]
      #93860 - Tue Aug 28 2012 07:38 PM

If not for the dry air, would we have had another Katrina?

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Re: Isaac a Very Large & Dangerous Hurricane [Re: MikeC]
      #93862 - Tue Aug 28 2012 08:31 PM

the quick drop to the south the eye has taken over the last hour concerns me. The low pressure does not corroborate with a storm as weak as it is. I wonder if the extra hour dropping south after the soft landfall, will allow for strengthening, perhaps heading briefly towards cat 2 which a 970mb storn with enough time, the pressure would suggest.

I won't stay up to the late hours for this one. I remember being up all hours of the night tracking Katrina.


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Re: Isaac a Very Large & Dangerous Hurricane [Re: bostonjay]
      #93872 - Tue Aug 28 2012 09:44 PM

A large cyclone and a tiny cyclone can have the same low pressures but size does matter no different than water draining from a bathtub or a whirlpool in the open water; both can have equal pressure but physics teaches us that the tinier the center; the faster it spins; the larger, the slower; Issac is a large system thus a greater area which that wind can flow...another way of looking at is water through a hose; the tinier the exit, the faster the water flows...volume remains equal. I don't buy into the theory of what if Issac had perfect conditions whether it would be the mother of all hurricanes; too many have had perfect environments and petered out for one reason or another. There are an incredible number of parameters that go into a system making CAT5 status or barely CAT1; the science is still young.

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Re: Isaac a Very Large & Dangerous Hurricane [Re: berrywr]
      #93874 - Tue Aug 28 2012 09:55 PM

And understanding Intensity Forecasting is a new science and we are still learning..

The difference between a large system and a small system is huge and the factors are almost too many to count.

We are learning a lot... what we need to understand is Intensity Forecasting.

Size and timing are the biggest factors sometimes in how fast or how slow a system ramps up.

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Re: Isaac a Very Large & Dangerous Hurricane [Re: LoisCane]
      #93877 - Tue Aug 28 2012 10:50 PM

Isaac is finally looking the part of a hurricane on radar, with a reasonably well-defined eye-like feature and stronger winds in closer proximity to the center. It also seems to have stopped gaining latitude in the last few hours and it may be awhile before it makes enough of a landfall to start the typical weakening trend. If it continues to maintain a tighter structure and stays mostly offshore, some additional strengthening will be possible. In the meantime, areas in SE Louisiana are going to be under the gun with heavy rain and at least strong tropical storm force winds (occasionally hurricane force) for quite a long time, at least another 12 hours.

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Re: Isaac a Very Large & Dangerous Hurricane [Re: Thunderbird12]
      #93879 - Tue Aug 28 2012 11:51 PM

Issac could actually gain strength over the marshes; I have no idea where NHC has a NW movement...radar shows Issac moving west and I don't have a complete 500 millibar upper air chart to analyze with a chunk of the Gulf coast missing upper air observations this evening but it appears there is a ridge axis in place from west to east along 35N latitude and no break in the ridge except to the east over GA and SC; LA is in for a long, long night.

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Re: Isaac a Very Large & Dangerous Hurricane [Re: berrywr]
      #93880 - Wed Aug 29 2012 12:11 AM

Is that a southerly component on the N.O. Long Range Radar??

???slightly oval appearance due to steering currents- possibly start N.E. mvmt??

Edited by ranger01 (Wed Aug 29 2012 12:26 AM)


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Re: Isaac a Very Large & Dangerous Hurricane [Re: ranger01]
      #93881 - Wed Aug 29 2012 01:27 AM

Isaac has been wobbling very slowly to the west-northwest to northwest, with wiggles north and south along the way. Some of what is seen on radar reflects these bounces.

It appears that the High to Isaac's north is indeed having an impact on his course, and it would not be surprising to see that Isaac skirts along the coast, just barely offshore and/or just inland, more than expected, prolonging the surge, wind and rain, and increasing the risks.


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Re: Isaac a Very Large & Dangerous Hurricane [Re: cieldumort]
      #93882 - Wed Aug 29 2012 06:10 AM

Good deal of convection flaring up up on the satelittle loops time of 0945. Isaac is over an area of very swampy terrain and is not showing rapid significant signs of weakening yet.

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Re: Isaac a Very Large & Dangerous Hurricane [Re: OrlandoDan]
      #93883 - Wed Aug 29 2012 06:14 AM

Recon has the center just over Timbailer Bay (Back over water). It's making multiple landfalls and just hanging out. SSE Of Houma, LA. Pressure is still about the same, and the storm hasn't weakened (or strengthened)



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Re: Isaac a Very Large & Dangerous Hurricane [Re: MikeC]
      #93884 - Wed Aug 29 2012 01:38 PM

Issac is flooding parts of the Mississippi Gulf Coast.
Currently the water depth at the I-10 Miss Hwy 603 appears to be 2 to 4 feet deep. The area south of the interstate is under water.

Biloxi,MS at the US Hwy 90 I-110 interchange on the Beach is under water but appears to be receding at this time. East of the 90/ I-110 interschange the water is over Hwy 90 going toward the Biloxi to Ocean Springs Bridge.

U.S. Hwy 90 from bay St Louis to Biloxi is closed per the MS Dept of Transportation website.
http://www.mdottraffic.com or http://mobile.mdottraffic.com


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Re: Isaac a Very Large & Dangerous Hurricane [Re: danielw]
      #93886 - Wed Aug 29 2012 06:04 PM

Solid presentation on radar. When will his forward speed pick up?

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Re: Isaac a Very Large & Dangerous Hurricane [Re: OrlandoDan]
      #93889 - Wed Aug 29 2012 08:07 PM

Currently forecast as 5mph ... they keep going down in forward speed not up. And, he seems to be just sitting.. moved a little but...

Then again the NHC did forecast him to stall out a while ago and sadly...they were right on that.

He looks as if he is trying to bust through the ridge which is bending a bit on the water vapor. A new wrinkle i have not seen before.

http://weather.unisys.com/satellite/sat_wv.php?inv=0&t=l12&region=ea

A note to Berry... several storms have intensified over the Everglades in Florida, the same set up is possible there.. though there is friction from land it is not the same when there is a large swampy area or low country.

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Re: Isaac a Very Large & Dangerous Hurricane [Re: LoisCane]
      #93890 - Wed Aug 29 2012 09:45 PM

Looks to be stalled if not pushing backward back to the sea. While the ridge of dry air is bending due to Isaac, I also see it intensifying (the dry air), and i think either Isaac will stay stalled, dropping its load of water over SE LA, or moving back to sea, perhaps heading SE, changing to NE, where it has less to fight with and can be taken by the upper level winds (and yes i realize there really isn't much of those either)

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