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Ed DunhamAdministrator
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Quiet Time Begins
      #74024 - Mon Oct 16 2006 01:55 PM

Invests 90L and 92L have been dropped and the basin is generally quiet. Tropical waves in the Caribbean Sea and Northeast of Puerto Rico face significant shear and are not likely to develop. West of 40W the ITCZ has dipped well below 10N, so the season for the central Atlantic is over. The MJO is in an active phase from the Hawaiian Islands to the east coast of Africa - but its not likely to mean much given the overall state of the Atlantic basin.

While it is true that the calendar season runs through November 30th, the basin does not develop systems based on the calendar - it develops systems (or not) based on atmospheric/oceanic conditions. It sure looks to me like we've entered the 'or not' season.

With El Nino firmly in place and the basin taking on a winter-like pattern, an additional storm seems unlikely. The 2006 season was a refreshing break from the hectic seasons that preceded it - a season with some storms to track, but nobody placed too heavily under the impact of a significant storm. If El Nino stays strong for another six months or so (and it might), the next season may also be a bit on the quiet side - but still a bit too early to make that call.
ED


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Wingman51
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Off Topic But Important [Re: Ed Dunham]
      #74025 - Mon Oct 16 2006 02:53 PM

Yes, this is off Topic, but I feel that it is important to commend the Mods of this site for another excellent job this year. It seems odd to me that with fewer storms this year, we seem to have had more problems with posters. It goes without saying that the moderators on this site (volunteers) go above and beyond the call of duty in controling and diffusing difficult situations. I pray that the remainder of the season stays quiet and we can all take a collective breath and look forward to an interesting winter seanson. Again, THANKS ALL

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Genesis
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Re: Off Topic But Important [Re: Wingman51]
      #74028 - Tue Oct 17 2006 12:31 AM

For a "non-tropical" system that 92L turned into, we're sure getting our butts kicked over here on the gulf coast.

We have winds right now quite close to tropical storm force, with higher gusts. The pounding started last night and has really intensified through the day..

Its all non-tropical - but an incredible storm nonetheless. We'll be in the middle of it for the next 24 hours or so, and if you're further west, you REALLY are getting slammed - Houston has had hurricane-style rainfall amounts out of this thing.

Anyway, if this is our "worst of the year", I'll take it.....

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cieldumort
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Re: Off Topic But Important [Re: Genesis]
      #74029 - Tue Oct 17 2006 04:56 AM

And far more than just "close to tropical storm force" has been going on at many more locations right along the coast and just offshore. Please take a quick glance at this station (station=PCBF1), as just one good example!

Pressures western GOM-wide fell sharply overnight, perhaps to as low as below 29.40 in places. And those rainfall totals were not at all limited to just the Houston area. County after county in SE Texas & Louisiana just got clobbered by training thunderstorms overnight last night and throughout the day today. Tornadoes were numerous, and probably even far more plentiful and widespread than what has gone down in the books (as brief tornadoes, especially those that spin up somewhere fairly uninhabited, and especially rain-wrapped as these have been, and even more so yet at night, often fail to be reported - "If a tree falls in the woods" sort of thing-). And speaking of tornadoes, those out at sea were triggering warnings for waterspouts with a ferocity that would make any mariner's head spin faster than Wilma's eyewall.

While not a Tropical Cyclone, the final incarnation of 92L had so much tropical-ish going for it (as it was truly a hybrid kind of feature with an extreme form of baroclinic kick, afterall) that this result does make sense.


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Lee-Delray
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Re: Quiet Time Begins [Re: Ed Dunham]
      #74030 - Tue Oct 17 2006 11:45 AM

On Wunderground Dr. Maters wrote that NOGAPS was cooking something up in the southern Caribbean Sea later this week that will head North. He did also however say that NOGAPS already blew one for this month and nothing else is picking it up.

Any thoughts?


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Cat 5orBust
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Re: Quiet Time Begins [Re: Ed Dunham]
      #74031 - Tue Oct 17 2006 02:38 PM

the 2:05 TWD has the area north of puerto rico labeled as a special feature. this area has persisted what seems to be forever. i don't know that conditions are becoming more favorable for development, but the NHC seems to be increasing their chatter about this system.

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ltpat228
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Re: Quiet Time Begins [Re: Lee-Delray]
      #74032 - Tue Oct 17 2006 02:42 PM

Quote:

On Wunderground Dr. Maters wrote that NOGAPS was cooking something up in the southern Caribbean Sea later this week that will head North. He did also however say that NOGAPS already blew one for this month and nothing else is picking it up.
Any thoughts?




Yes.
Please see excerpt below from Doctor Masters:

Elsewhere in the tropics
There's nothing going on, anywhere in the world. Later this week, most of the models forecast that a weak tropical storm will form in the central Atlantic northeast of Puerto Rico and move out to sea. Wind shear is expected to be light across the Caribbean and southern Gulf of Mexico most of the week, and the NOGAPS model is forecasting that a tropical storm will form in the southern Caribbean on Friday. The storm is forecast to move northwards, threatening Jamaica, the Cayman Islands, and Cuba early next week. None of the other models are picking up on this, and the NOGAPS has been wrong once before this month on a similar type of forecast. Still, residents of the Caribbean, south Florida, and the Bahamas should keep an eye on possible development later this week.


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Lee-Delray
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Re: Quiet Time Begins [Re: ltpat228]
      #74033 - Tue Oct 17 2006 02:54 PM

I have noticed that FSU is picking something up too, but killing it over Hispanolia.

At best its a week TS, nothing to panic over; just keep an eye on?


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Hurricane29
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Re: Quiet Time Begins [Re: Lee-Delray]
      #74034 - Tue Oct 17 2006 03:14 PM

Yes the NOGAPS model continues to show development in the western caribbean.

Nogaps @ 120 hrs



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ltpat228
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Re: Quiet Time Begins [Re: Hurricane29]
      #74035 - Tue Oct 17 2006 05:51 PM

From Mark Sudduth from HurricaneTrack.com:

UPDATED: 8:45 am EDT, October 17, 2006
NO HURRICANES IN SIGHT

I will certainly run out of creative ways to say it, but so it goes. There are no signs that we will see any hurricane threats anytime soon in the Atlantic. Most of the models develop some kind of low pressure area north of Puerto Rico and the Leeward Islands but then take it out to the northeast fairly quickly. So we might see one more named storm but that should be about it. Conditions are getting more and more hostile each day and water temps are slowly coming down. After the recent rain and severe weather along portions of the Gulf Coast, the weather will improve and there should be nothing to worry about coming out of the tropics. I will post another update tomorrow.


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Lee-Delray
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Re: Quiet Time Begins [Re: ltpat228]
      #74036 - Tue Oct 17 2006 05:58 PM

I agree we're not going to see any big storms; but NOGAPS consistantly is showing something crossing the Keys into the Gulf next week. I'm not say it will be anything, NOGAPS can be wrong, just pointing out the feature.

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Hurricane29
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Re: Quiet Time Begins [Re: Lee-Delray]
      #74039 - Tue Oct 17 2006 11:24 PM

Good evening,

In about the next 4-5 days were going to find out if the NOGAPS scenario indeed verifies.



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HanKFranK
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Re: Quiet Time Begins [Re: Hurricane29]
      #74040 - Wed Oct 18 2006 05:57 PM

the NOGAPS needs some company before that caribbean could-be system becomes a real concern. i'd put a little more on the feature north of puerto rico right now, on sheer persistence... but it is a no-threat, low-probability interest.
gfs has some serious amplification progged in the east going into next week... of the trough kind. if you flipped those height anomalies to a mid-winter correspondent system you'd have a southeast snowstorm. for some reason this kind of thing happens in the fall.. but then winter is usually on the mild/wet side in this part of the country. whatever the case, this type of pattern reinforces the lack of potential for any kind of u.s. impact for the remainder of the season.
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Clark
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Re: Quiet Time Begins [Re: Ed Dunham]
      #74041 - Wed Oct 18 2006 09:13 PM

Contrasting 2006 to 2005: one year ago tonight, we eagerly awaited reports from a recon flight into intensifying Hurricane Wilma in the NW Caribbean (not to mention having TS Alpha on the way behind it). Wilma started out the day as a 982mb system...and would end the day as the storm with the lowest measured pressure in Atlantic basin history.

Here in 2006, shear and troughs dominate the basin without a whole lot of indication that it's going to change before 2007. Such is life under a developing El Nino pattern. Nine storms, five hurricanes, and two majors -- that's about average in the long-term and below-average in the short term. Not gonna complain too much.

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allan
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Re: Quiet Time Begins [Re: Hurricane29]
      #74043 - Thu Oct 19 2006 09:19 AM

90L is back in the picture!
http://www.nrlmry.navy.mil/tc_pages/tc06/ATL/90L.INVEST/ssmi/track_vis/thumb/Latest.html

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Re: Quiet Time Begins [Re: Clark]
      #74044 - Thu Oct 19 2006 11:09 AM

Dr. Masters' post for today:

http://www.wunderground.com/tropical/

90L to the east of PR is showing some life, but expected to turn eventually to the NE...what a surprise!

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ltpat228
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Re: Quiet Time Begins [Re: Ed in Va]
      #74045 - Thu Oct 19 2006 02:09 PM

http://www.skeetobiteweather.com/picservice.asp?t=m&m=90

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Old Sailor
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Re: Quiet Time Begins [Re: Lee-Delray]
      #74047 - Thu Oct 19 2006 05:03 PM

Where did you get 92L son last I seen was 90L..

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Lee-Delray
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Re: Quiet Time Begins [Re: Old Sailor]
      #74049 - Thu Oct 19 2006 05:15 PM

Sorry, I read the dates on the GFDL wrong; there is no 92L., Would have posted sooner, but I'm too busy eating crow.

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Re: Quiet Time Begins [Re: Ed in Va]
      #74050 - Fri Oct 20 2006 04:37 AM

Yeah, 90L is a little interesting, with a part of it actually nuzzled within a smidgen of low shear, and much of the rest of it enhanced by some diffluence. And in fact, as of my reply, it's looking a little bit more convective.

I'm actually growing more and more interested with the feature out in the Central Atlantic, currently near 14N 33W. Been showing a fair amount of turning, with some sustained convection. Not quite as artificially enhanced by shear, so to speak, either. In fact, the future path of this feature takes it across fairly warm waters in a relatively low shear environment, at least in the near-term, if you can believe it. I'm anticipating an Invest tag getting put up on this by tonight should it's trend of ongoing convection and gentle cyclonic turning continue.


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