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LoisCane
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Re: Hurricane Bertha regaining some strength. Still Moving Northwest [Re: Unregistered User]
      #80395 - Thu Jul 10 2008 08:09 PM

Yes, have seen it. Been there, done that..

A lot of sats, views and model discussion on sites around the web.

Despite some temporary changes in path, a few frames that flutter once west or more north Bertha is moving for now NW towards that place she wants to go when the conditions are right.

It is a little unsettling for people living in Bermuda to hear that the models don't take her north of 40 and that she will be flirting around with their island for the next few days.

http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/east/natl/wv.jpg

This gives I believe a better perspective on the situation.

As Beven put well in his discussion that is online here and on other sites but not always read as much as the advisories:

"IN A MAJOR SHIFT FROM PREVIOUS RUNS...NONE OF THE
DYNAMICAL MODELS SHOW BERTHA REACHING 40N IN 5 DAYS. BASED ON
THIS...THE FORECAST TRACK WILL CALL FOR A SLOWER NORTHWARD MOTION
THAN IN THE PREVIOUS PACKAGE... WITH THE TRACK SMOOTHING THROUGH
SOME OF THE ERRATIC MOTION FORECASTS IN THE MODELS. THE NEW TRACK
IS CLOSER TO BERMUDA THAN THE PREVIOUS TRACK...AND BERTHA COULD COME
EVEN CLOSER TO BERMUDA IF THE JOGS TO THE LEFT IN THE UKMET AND
CANADIAN MODELS VERIFY."

Gonna be a long few days.

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Beach
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Question [Re: LoisCane]
      #80396 - Thu Jul 10 2008 08:24 PM

Looking at the loop:

http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/east/nwatl/loop-wv.html

It looks like Bertha is elongating, does that mean it will be moving in that direction?


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Storm Hunter
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Re: Question [Re: Beach]
      #80398 - Fri Jul 11 2008 11:54 AM

at last check AF309 was just getting to the outer fringes of Bertha... still flying at 26k ft.... and on a due east heading...

At 15:44:30Z, the observation was 216 miles (348 km) to the SW (233°) from Hamilton, Bermuda (GBR).
they were at 30.43N 67.73W @ 15:44:30Z

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LoisCane
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Re: Question [Re: Storm Hunter]
      #80399 - Fri Jul 11 2008 03:22 PM

Beautiful illustration of the eyes inside Bertha.

http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/flt/t1/jsl.jpg

She is spinning currently almost on herself,

This is a time sensitive post but check out the precision on all sides. Rare to see.

http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/flt/t1/loop-jsl.html

Evacuating energy in all directions.. spins one way and the outflow spins the other.

Good illustration of a storm without negative problems like shear

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Gigsley
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Re:new way to look [Re: Storm Hunter]
      #80401 - Fri Jul 11 2008 05:55 PM

Here is a link to the recon planes that works well with Google Earth
http://wxgr.nl/ge/WXRecon.kmz



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~Floydbuster
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Re: A few changes with Bertha [Re: ]
      #80402 - Fri Jul 11 2008 07:27 PM

Video analysis of Bertha and potential Cape Verde development
http://podweather.com/podcast/?p=310


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typhoon_tip
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Re: A few changes with Bertha [Re: ~Floydbuster]
      #80403 - Fri Jul 11 2008 09:27 PM

Quote:

Video analysis of Bertha and potential Cape Verde development
http://podweather.com/podcast/?p=310




Both the HWRF and GFDL 18Z runs show a south movement. I don't think it is as wacky as that may appear. The governing synoptic evolution is that a ridge will flex stronger in about 3 or 4 days, and it is uncertain exactly what suppressive impact that will have on the latitude of Bertha. Loops in hurricane tracks do take place from time to time.

18z GFS still likes that idea of another CV spin up and it is doing so by hour 72.


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Hugh
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Re: A few changes with Bertha [Re: typhoon_tip]
      #80404 - Fri Jul 11 2008 10:11 PM

I guess I'm not seeing things after all... I was just looking at the AVN loop of Bertha, and noted very little, if any, movement...but with the hint of a slight southward drift. A hurricane in the middle of nowhere, spinning upon itself... interesting phenomenon indeed.

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