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Tropical Storm Claudette in Gulf, Ana Weakens to Depression, Bill to Recurve
      #86178 - Sun Aug 16 2009 05:00 AM

4:45 PM EDT 3:45PM CDT Update August 16 2009
Claudette has windows around 50MPH, the center of Claudette was exposed for a bit, to keep it a bit weaker, but the rest of the system is trying to fire. It is going west of Indian Pass and will likely make landfall overnight west of Panama City, closer to Miramar Beach.

It is moving mostly Northwest around 14 mph.

Ana weakens to a Tropical Depression, most of the convection is to the north. Aircraft recon is still hunting for it. It is possible Ana will be dropped later tonight if the Recon cannot find a circulation center.

Bill is on the verge of becoming this year's first hurricane, which it may do later tonight or tomorrow. More evidence that it will recurve away from the Caribbean and mainland is there, and it is starting to gain latitude now. Bermuda may have to watch Bill later.

1:55 PM EDT 12:55PM CDT Update August 16 2009

Claudette has an official advisory. 50MPH Winds, 1008mb pressure (from recon), and moving Northwest at 14MPH.

It will come close to Indian Pass (near Pt. St. Joe) if it does go over, it may make landfall around 2-3PM CDT (3-4PM EDT), if it stays to the west, it will not make landfall until late tonight around Panama City Beach.


12:15 EDT Update Aug 16
TD#4 Has been upgraded to Tropical Storm Claudette
A special statement was issued, and the 2PM advisory will reflect Claudette.


10:45 AM EDT Update Aug 16
TD#4 remains that way for 11AM, the National Hurricane Center is waiting on a recon flight to make any further upgrade decisions.

If it misses the first landfall opportunity this afternoon, then it will likely landfall in the Evening. 50-55MPH winds in that case, still under Hurricane Force. I wouldn't go out in that weather tonight.

9:40 AM EDT Update Aug 16
TD#4 is likely to be upgraded to a Tropical Storm at 11. However based on the current forward motion on Radar it may landfall as early as 2PM (1PM CDT) today or more likely sometime this evening.



It's running out of time to organize much, but it should be a rainy windy and generally nasty day where it makes landfall, but nothing too bad. Surge may be 4-6 feet along the coast to the east of where the center makes landfall, however. It could spawn some weaker tornadoes across the area as well.


Original Update
Tropical Depression Four forms from 90L in the Eastern Gulf of Mexico. It is moving north northwest around 16mph. It is expected to landfall in the Western Florida Panhandle as a Tropical Storm tonight into early tomorrow.

Tropical Storm Warnings are up for... Florida/Alabama border east to the Suwanee River.

TD#4 is a small storm and effects are likely to be around the center. It is expected to become a weak Tropical Storm, name would be Claudette. See Local Statements when they arrive.

Ana Remains a Tropical Storm for Now. Watches and Warnings for the Leewards/PR/VI still are up.

Bill has gained a little bit of strength, future track still leans toward curving out to sea.

More to come later.

[Southeastern US Radar Mosaic
Tampa Bay, FL Radar Long Range Radar Loop ( Latest Static)
Key West, FL Radar Long Range Radar Loop ( Latest Static)
Miami FL Radar Long Range Radar Loop ( Latest Static)
Melbourne FL Radar Long Range Radar Loop ( Latest Static)
Tallahassee FL Radar Long Range Radar Loop ( Latest Static)
Northwest Florida Radar Long Range Radar Loop ( Latest Static)
Long Term Radar Recording of 91L approach to Panhandle


Event Related Links

Emergency Management

FloridaDisaster.org - Florida Emergency Management
Individual Florida County Emergency Management Websites

Webcams, Video, Audio
WJHG 7 the NBC Affiliate in Panama City Beach, FL - CFHC contributor Jason Kelly broadcasts from here.
WMBB - Panama City Beach, FL
WEAR ABC 3 in Pensacola
NBC 15 / Mobile/Pensacola

Mark Sudduth's Hurricanetrack.com
Schooner's Beach Cam (Webcam Panama City Beach)
Flhurricane Recording of Sandestin at Miramar Beach


StormCarib Reports from the Caribbean Islands

Caribbean Weather Observations

Barbados Brohav Weather Fax

Caribbean Broadcast Corporation (TV/Radio from Antilles)

San Juan, PR Radar Long Range Radar Loop ( Latest Static)

Various Caribbean Radio Stations

Ana Event Related Links
AL022009mltsth.gif
Animated Skeetobite Model Plot of Ana
SFWMD Model Plot (Animated Model Plot) SFWMD Hurricane Page (More Tracking Information)
Clark Evans Track Model Plot of Ana (Animated!) Model Plots in Google Earth - In Google Maps
Clark Evans Intensity Model Plot of Ana Clark Evans Track Plot of Ana (Animated!)
Clark Evans Top 10 Analog Storms for Ana
More model runs on from RAL/Jonathan Vigh's page
NRL Info on Ana -- RAMMB Info

Floater Satellite Images: Visible (Loop), IR (Loop), WV (Loop), Dvorak (Loop), AVN (Loop), RGB (Loop), Rainbow (Loop), Funktop (Loop), RB Top Loop)


Bill Event Related Links
AL032009mltsth.gif
Animated Skeetobite Model Plot of Bill
SFWMD Model Plot (Animated Model Plot) SFWMD Hurricane Page (More Tracking Information)
Clark Evans Track Model Plot of Bill (Animated!) Model Plots in Google Earth - In Google Maps
Clark Evans Intensity Model Plot of Bill Clark Evans Track Plot of Bill (Animated!)
Clark Evans Top 10 Analog Storms for Bill
More model runs on from RAL/Jonathan Vigh's page
NRL Info on Bill -- RAMMB Info

Floater Satellite Images: Visible (Loop), IR (Loop), WV (Loop), Dvorak (Loop), AVN (Loop), RGB (Loop), Rainbow (Loop), Funktop (Loop), RB Top Loop)


Claudette Event Related Links
AL042009mltsth.gif
Animated Skeetobite Model Plot of Claudette
SFWMD Model Plot (Animated Model Plot) SFWMD Hurricane Page (More Tracking Information)
Clark Evans Track Model Plot of Claudette (Animated!) Model Plots in Google Earth - In Google Maps
Clark Evans Intensity Model Plot of Claudette Clark Evans Track Plot of Claudette (Animated!)
Clark Evans Top 10 Analog Storms for Claudette
More model runs on from RAL/Jonathan Vigh's page
NRL Info on Claudette -- RAMMB Info

Floater Satellite Images: Visible (Loop), IR (Loop), WV (Loop), Dvorak (Loop), AVN (Loop), RGB (Loop), Rainbow (Loop), Funktop (Loop), RB Top Loop)


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Hugh
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Re: Tropical Depression 4 Forms in Gulf of Mexico. Tropical Storm Warnings Up for NE Gulf [Re: MikeC]
      #86180 - Sun Aug 16 2009 07:00 AM

I see a hint of some tiny convection trying to form with Ana. She's not dead yet, but she's on life support.
If the shear ever relaxes and she moves north or south of the big islands, the intensity forecast could be thrown out the window.
Unfortunately, I've got Claudette to worry about. Impressive radar presentation of this thing yet again this morning. There are some reds appearing periodically in the AVN loop. Since I'm supposedly on the western edge of the system it shouldn't be bad, but it appears that this could strengthen RAPIDLY.

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Re: Tropical Depression 4 Forms in Gulf of Mexico. Tropical Storm Warnings Up for NE Gulf [Re: Hugh]
      #86181 - Sun Aug 16 2009 07:02 AM

FNMOC now have 04L as Claudette... could be quite strong by landfall late this evening.

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Hugh
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Re: Tropical Depression 4 Forms in Gulf of Mexico. Tropical Storm Warnings Up for NE Gulf [Re: Rich B]
      #86182 - Sun Aug 16 2009 07:11 AM

Quote:

FNMOC now have 04L as Claudette... could be quite strong by landfall late this evening.




NRL, as of this posting, still has it as FOUR, but I believe it will be Claudette at the 8am intermediate. It just looks too impressive on the satellite and radar to be "just a depression".
I'm thinking 60-70mph at landfall, which would be a bit higher than the official forecast 12hr from now (which is 45kts), but I prefer to think it's going to be worse than it is,within reason.

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Re: Tropical Depression 4 Forms in Gulf of Mexico. Tropical Storm Warnings Up for NE Gulf [Re: Hugh]
      #86183 - Sun Aug 16 2009 07:49 AM

Ok guys, I have been a lurker on this website for about 2 years but never have posted because I am just
a self taught weather nut! But this thing is going to come right over me! Right now it is calm but things
are going to go down hill soon I expect. Any advice would be appreciated.

From Rural Calhoun County north of Panama City


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Re: Tropical Depression 4 Forms in Gulf of Mexico. Tropical Storm Warnings Up for NE Gulf [Re: Hugh]
      #86184 - Sun Aug 16 2009 08:00 AM

She is officially Claudette at alternate FNMOC site

https://www.fnmoc.navy.mil/tcweb/cgi-bin/tc_home.cgi

NRL Monterey must lag behind this site

Edited by craigm (Sun Aug 16 2009 08:06 AM)


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remember Opal? [Re: craigm]
      #86185 - Sun Aug 16 2009 08:08 AM

she started like this, had the entire GOM to crank up, because she was born in the Bay of Campeche. By the time she hit Pensacola...she was a category 3-4

Water temps high. This will dump rain. unless it stalls, no worries.

things getting interesting.


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Re: Tropical Depression 4 Forms in Gulf of Mexico. Tropical Storm Warnings Up for NE Gulf [Re: craigm]
      #86186 - Sun Aug 16 2009 08:28 AM

Quote:

She is officially Claudette at alternate FNMOC site

https://www.fnmoc.navy.mil/tcweb/cgi-bin/tc_home.cgi

NRL Monterey must lag behind this site




I'm going to correct myself here. Studying this particular Navy site:

http://www.usno.navy.mil/FNMOC/tropical-applications

It appears they will designate a name prior to a depression actually becoming a storm. This seems strange in that another depression might beat it to the punch, especially after what we have seen this week.
NHC intermediate is still classifying 04 as a depression. Looking for feedback as to why FNMOC is labeling this already.

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Re: Tropical Depression 4 Forms in Gulf of Mexico. Tropical Storm Warnings Up for NE Gulf [Re: craigm]
      #86187 - Sun Aug 16 2009 08:31 AM

Quote:

NHC intermediate is still classifying 04 as a depression. Looking for feedback as to why FNMOC is labeling this already.




I can only speculate, but maybe they either know something that they aren't saying (unlikely) or they were given bad information (unlikely) or they jumed the gun (unlikely too).

ETA: I just watched Lyons' report on TWC. He basically dismissed the intensity forecast for TD 4, and said it was poorly organized... using a Tampa radar as his basis. I'm looking at the Tallahassee radar, which tells a somewhat different picture.


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Edited by Hugh (Sun Aug 16 2009 08:56 AM)


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Re: Tropical Depression 4 Forms in Gulf of Mexico. Tropical Storm Warnings Up for NE Gulf [Re: Hugh]
      #86189 - Sun Aug 16 2009 09:00 AM

Wind gust to 26mph on St. Pete Beach and the tide seems to be rising an hour and a half after the official high tide. There is water splashing over the seawall here in Gulfport, Florida. No rain, but nice stiff breeze and beautiful dark purple skies to the west.

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Re: Tropical Depression 4 Forms in Gulf of Mexico. Tropical Storm Warnings Up for NE Gulf [Re: Hugh]
      #86190 - Sun Aug 16 2009 09:01 AM

Well...here's what I dreamt of last night....good dreams.


TD#4 - Let it keep clipping right along so that it has less time to gain anymore strength. I certainly hope that no one in the panhandle is being dimissive of this storm.

Ana - Let's hope she also keeps racing right along ahead of what's left of her...let us also hope that she falls utterly and completely apart this next time before she reaches any land mass(es). If she does not though, she's got to (being how disorganizd she is) get shreaded up going over Hispanola and Cuba...would not want her to come off of Cuba with any sort of structure in tact and get into the GOM. That being said...I see TD in her status for 11am.

Bill - Hoping he gets his act together quicker so that he'll feel the pull poleward and become a "fish-spinner"


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Re: Tropical Depression 4 Forms in Gulf of Mexico. Tropical Storm Warnings Up for NE Gulf [Re: Prospero]
      #86191 - Sun Aug 16 2009 09:01 AM

Quote:

Wind gust to 26mph on St. Pete Beach and the tide seems to be rising an hour and a half after the official high tide. There is water splashing over the seawall here in Gulfport, Florida. No rain, but nice stiff breeze and beautiful dark purple skies to the west.




Yeah, onshore waves, high surf, and a lot of rain will be the major impacts I think, unless it suddenly halts and then has time to strengthen.

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Re: Tropical Depression 4 Forms in Gulf of Mexico. Tropical Storm Warnings Up for NE Gulf [Re: craigm]
      #86192 - Sun Aug 16 2009 09:19 AM

The Navy gets its centerpoint, initial strength, pressure, etc., and designation from NHC. NHC also attempts to give the Navy (and some other agencies) a heads-up prior to any status changes so that the agencies can update their web sites just prior to the NHC bulletins. I see where FNMOC is now back to 04L - looks like somebody either jumped the gun or NHC may have delayed the upgrade. If the Navy sites indicate Claudette around 1030 or so, you'll know that an upgrade is in the works at NHC.
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Ana gets down graded @ 11 [Re: native]
      #86193 - Sun Aug 16 2009 09:19 AM

Didn't she just bite the dust ...(literally)
Here is some info from the bouy she passed over:
08 16 0950 SSE 17.5 21.4 9.2 10 6.2 - 29.83 +0.12
08 16 0650 S 7.8 9.7 8.5 10 6.0 - 29.72 -0.12
08 16 0550 N 17.5 23.3 6.6 8 5.2 - 29.74
http://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/station_page.php?station=41040


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Re: Tropical Depression 4 Forms in Gulf of Mexico. Tropical Storm Warnings Up for NE Gulf [Re: Ed Dunham]
      #86194 - Sun Aug 16 2009 09:32 AM

T-Numbers (per SSD) are 2.0/2.0 for TD Four. That's marginaly higher than they are for Ana (1.5/2.0), and Ana is still a tropical storm. So, it's on the border I think.

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Re: Tropical Depression 4 Forms in Gulf of Mexico. Tropical Storm Warnings Up for NE Gulf [Re: Hugh]
      #86195 - Sun Aug 16 2009 09:34 AM

To me, TD #4 is still looking somewhat disorganized. Checking some of the NDBC stations I see gusts in the 25-30kt range(42036, 42013, SGOF1). Right now, it looks like the biggest impact will be the rain that it brings to the Panhandle.

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Re: Tropical Depression 4 Forms in Gulf of Mexico. Tropical Storm Warnings Up for NE Gulf [Re: AgentB]
      #86197 - Sun Aug 16 2009 10:03 AM

td4 definitely doesn't look as well organized as it did even earlier this morning. She looks very elongated N-S in radar returns, and not symmetrical at all. Looking at level3, It looks to be moving almost due North with just a hint of Westerly movement. I would predict landfall more in the big bend/Tallahassee area. Regardless of where it makes landfall, it is going to bring plenty of rainfall.

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Re: Tropical Depression 4 Forms in Gulf of Mexico. Tropical Storm Warnings Up for NE Gulf [Re: chase 22]
      #86198 - Sun Aug 16 2009 10:18 AM

Take a look in the area of 30N 50W
http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/east/carb/loop-ft.html

Can someone weigh in on if that is a surface low starting to form.

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Re: Tropical Depression 4 Forms in Gulf of Mexico. Tropical Storm Warnings Up for NE Gulf [Re: Beach]
      #86199 - Sun Aug 16 2009 10:21 AM Attachment (108 downloads)

We are seeing pressure falls down to 1013mb just to the NE of the center of the storm.

http://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/station_page.php?station=42036

Reference location of buoy (see attachment)


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Re: Tropical Depression 4 Forms in Gulf of Mexico. Tropical Storm Warnings Up for NE Gulf [Re: Hugh]
      #86202 - Sun Aug 16 2009 10:50 AM

Here are some web cams from the area near 04
St. George island:
http://www.beachview.com/st_george_is_640.htm

Panama City Beach:
http://www.tripsmarter.com/multimedia/cams_flash/cam_schoonersbeach_player.swf (This one is live)

http://www.beachview.com/Beach_Cams/Panama_City_Beach.aspx

Alligator Point:
http://www.beachview.com/Beach_Cams/Alligator_Point.aspx

St Teresa Beach:
http://www.beachview.com/Beach_Cams/St._Teresa_Beach.aspx

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