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Katia Now A Hurricane Moving WNW in the Central Atlantic
      #92037 - Mon Aug 29 2011 06:38 AM

Update - Wednesday August 31st, 11PM EDT
With sustained winds of 75mph, Katia is now a hurricane - located over a thousand miles to the east of the Leeward Islands and moving to the west northwest at 20mph. Central pressure is now down to 987MB. The forecast reasoning has not changed and Katia is expected to become a major hurricane in 3 days as the storm continues to move to the WNW. Katia is expected to slow down late in the forecast period and take more of a turn toward the northwest.

Invest 93L in the Gulf has a high chance for additional development into a tropical cyclone within the next 48 hours as upper air conditions slowly improve and folks along the northern Gulf coast need to closely monitor this potential trouble spot.
ED

Update - Wednesday August 31st, 4PM EDT
The area in the southeastern Gulf of Mexico has been designated as Invest 93L moving to the west northwest at about 15mph. NHC probability for additional development now at 30 percent.
ED


2:30PM Update 30 August 2011
Katia is slowly strengthening in the Atlantic, thoughts on the future track have not changed as of yet.

Also an area in the northwest Caribbean may cross over the Yucatan and form into something later this week. It's important to watch this system in the western Gulf, as things here could happen quite fast. It is not an invest area as of yet. Those in Northern Mexico and the Northwest Gulf may want to watch this system. It currently has a 10% chance to develop over the next 48 hours.

Northeast Gulf Links Southeast Composite Radar Loop (Latest Static)

Tampa Bay, FL Radar Long Range Radar Loop ( Latest Static)

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Area Forecast Discussions: Mississippi/Alabama/Pensacola - Panhandle/Tallahassee - Tampa/West Central Florida

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7AM Update 30 August 2011
Tropical Storm Katia formed this morning around 5AM, as it continues to move fairly fast to the west northwest. It is forecast to become a major hurricane by Sunday, but is forecast to be well northeast of the Leeward islands in the Caribbean. It is still worth watching in the Caribbean to see if it remains on the left side of the forecast cone, but odds do not favor that happen.

Current long range models have it recurving before the United States, but may bring it near Bermuda, or between Bermuda and the US. Katia is still very far out so trends should be monitored over the next week or so.

The final advisory on Jose was issued yesterday.

11PM Update 29 August 2011
No upgrade to Tropical Storm Katia just yet tonight, but it's really only a matter of time. TWELVE is arguably ever-so-close to being "there," thus likely this conservative stance by NHC will hold just until a little more data comes in, as TD12 is in a favorable environment for further development.

One change worth noting, the future track for TWELVE is looking a little more concerning tonight. Indications are that the expected opening in the ridge to its north may not last, and such a setup could keep TWELVE continuing on a more westerly course than earlier model runs suggested. However, it is far too early to take to the bank anything more than three or four days out on this system. We will have better model runs if and should Recon fly in.
Ciel

9PM Update 29 August 2011

Based on best track data, and Dvorak T numbers, it appears Tropical Depression 12 will be named Tropical Storm Katia at 11PM tonight.

Thankfully, odds currently favor it recurving out to sea as it is gaining latitude already. Katia is the name that replaced Katrina on this year's list. However, this is by no means a sure thing at this time, there will be time to watch this system over the next week.

Original Update
Irene's last NHC advisory was issued at 11pm last night, ending a very long wait and see period with Irene. Irene did cause damage, sometimes severe, but not in the areas that the media was expecting. The surge was very strong in North Carolina, the flooding rains in Vermont, upstate New York, and parts of western Massachusetts and New Hampshire were record levels, the power outages were widespread. Irene for the most part was more a major annoyance than major destruction, which is what was expected after the system's core collapsed shortly after the run through the Bahamas

Intensity forecasting remains weak, but the short-mid range track forecast was very good, and solidified fairly well once Irene passed Hispaniola. Models picked up the shift back west, but not as large as it wound up being (to head up over upstate New York and Vermont)

People with outages will gradually be regaining power over the next week or so.

Jose continues to move out to sea, and is expected to go post tropical fairly soon.

Tropical Depression twelve has formed in the far eastern Atlantic from what was 92L, it is expected to head generally west or west northwest. Although there is some time for it to change, odds favor the system recurving well before the US. The eastern Caribbean will need to watch, but it is likely to stay north of those islands as well.


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Katia Event Related Links
AL122011mltsth.gif
Animated Skeetobite Model Plot of Katia
SFWMD Model Plot (Animated Model Plot) SFWMD Hurricane Page (More Tracking Information)
Clark Evans Track Model Plot of Katia (Animated!) Model Plots in Google Earth - In Google Maps
Clark Evans Intensity Model Plot of Katia Clark Evans Track Plot of Katia (Animated!)
Clark Evans Top 10 Analog Storms for Katia
More model runs on from RAL/Jonathan Vigh's page
NRL Info on Katia -- RAMMB Info

Floater Satellite Images: Visible (Loop), IR (Loop), WV (Loop), Dvorak (Loop), AVN (Loop), RGB (Loop), Rainbow (Loop), Funktop (Loop), RB Top Loop)


93L (Gulf Wave) Event Related Links
AL932011mltsth.gif
Animated Skeetobite Model Plot of 93L
SFWMD Model Plot (Animated Model Plot) SFWMD Hurricane Page (More Tracking Information)
Clark Evans Track Model Plot of 93L (Animated!) Model Plots in Google Earth - In Google Maps
Clark Evans Intensity Model Plot of 93L Clark Evans Track Plot of 93L (Animated!)
Clark Evans Top 10 Analog Storms for 93L
More model runs on from RAL/Jonathan Vigh's page
NRL Info on 93L -- RAMMB Info

Floater Satellite Images: Visible (Loop), IR (Loop), WV (Loop), Dvorak (Loop), AVN (Loop), RGB (Loop), Rainbow (Loop), Funktop (Loop), RB Top Loop)


94L Event Related Links
AL942011mltsth.gif
Animated Skeetobite Model Plot of 94L
SFWMD Model Plot (Animated Model Plot) SFWMD Hurricane Page (More Tracking Information)
Clark Evans Track Model Plot of 94L (Animated!) Model Plots in Google Earth - In Google Maps
Clark Evans Intensity Model Plot of 94L Clark Evans Track Plot of 94L (Animated!)
Clark Evans Top 10 Analog Storms for 94L
More model runs on from RAL/Jonathan Vigh's page
NRL Info on 94L -- RAMMB Info

Floater Satellite Images: Visible (Loop), IR (Loop), WV (Loop), Dvorak (Loop), AVN (Loop), RGB (Loop), Rainbow (Loop), Funktop (Loop), RB Top Loop)


Long term Central Atlantic wide area Water Vapor Satellite for Hurricane Season Peak flhurricane)

Long term West Atlantic wide area Water Vapor Satellite for Hurricane Season Peak flhurricane)

Edited by Ed Dunham (Thu Sep 01 2011 12:25 PM)


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Re: Watching Katia and an Area in the Northwestern Caribbean [Re: MikeC]
      #92054 - Tue Aug 30 2011 08:40 PM

The disturbed area in the northwest Caribbean is just that for now pressures are not falling and probably will not until it moves into central Gulf in 48 hours or so. Models are fairly aggressive in developing something here, but there seems to be a big lack in steering at that time. Something that will need to be watched by all in Gulf coast end of this week and weekend...

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Re: Watching Katia and an Area in the Northwestern Caribbean [Re: Joeyfl]
      #92055 - Tue Aug 30 2011 09:21 PM

The area in the NW Caribbean is moving into the Yucatan Channel area.
Current radar from Cuba indicates a low level spin. Only four frames, or so, but the spin is evident.



Buoy pressure dropped to around 29.78 at it's lowest. Or about 1008.5 mb at Buoy 42056.

http://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/station_page.php?station=42056&unit=E&tz=STN

This system will need to be watched closely over the next week as the current GFS indicates it may become 'cutoff' from the steering flow and drift in the Northern and Northeastern GOM. Extreme rainfall is forecast at the current time, over the Coasts of Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama and the FL Panhandle and into the Western Florida counties in the next 5 to 7 days.

There are several models taking several different tracks. With the GFS being the most extreme at this point. I'm using the 18Z GFS model for Tuesday August 30th.


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Re: Watching Katia and an Area in the Northwestern Caribbean [Re: danielw]
      #92058 - Wed Aug 31 2011 12:13 AM

RE: Gulf area - That 18Z GFS run is...interesting. While it is technically possible, I don't see that specific track as likely. Even if it does happen, storms that track back over their own path tend to weaken due to the earlier reduction of the SSTs. It's really too far out for guestimates still needs watching since anything could really happen given the temperatures in the Gulf right now.

For Katia, the GFS has been consistently showing Katia as a fish spinner, heading north and possibly affecting the Newfoundland. Also too far out for more than guestimates.

Long range GFS from NCEP - http://mag.ncep.noaa.gov/NCOMAGWEB/appco...=MODEL+GUIDANCE

Edited by cieldumort (Wed Aug 31 2011 12:57 AM)


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Re: Watching Katia and an Area in the Northwestern Caribbean [Re: Random Chaos]
      #92060 - Wed Aug 31 2011 07:28 AM

For Katia track:

There is a ridge north of Katia. There is a weakness forecast in that ridge to move east, allowing Katia through the ridge in around a week, somewhere south to southeast of Bermuda.

As people who watch eastern Atlantic hurricanes know, forecasting of these weaknesses in ridges is often fraught with error: they often develop at different speeds and strengths when forecast this far out. While generally the weaknesses in the ridge do manifest, the exact location is not guaranteed, and whether the tropical cyclone will find the weakness strong enough to allow it to move through is also not guaranteed.

We therefore are in a waiting game for the next several days as models get closer and closer to the event. Once we are 1-2 days away from the weaknesses being near Katia, we should have a much better understanding of how strong the weaknesses will be and whether Katia will likely take it. The question is also as to the exact position of that weaknesses, and thus how close to Bermuda or the Atlantic coast Katia will come when it passes through that break.

A lot of unknowns, and very few knowns, at this early point in watching Katia.


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Re: Watching Katia and an Area in the Northwestern Caribbean [Re: Random Chaos]
      #92061 - Wed Aug 31 2011 10:40 AM

That weakness is the fairly significant ULL that is digging in around 25N and 55W. That seems to be the uncertainty in the forecast right now. The Discussion noted it was expected to retrograde to the SW. It looks vigorous on the WV and if it does not weaken or move westward it could impede development of Katia and create significant SW'ly shear. This is the weakness that is expected influence the track. The question being posed in some circles is What If: a significant tropical system pops up in the central GOM (alaGFS) in a few days and the affects that may have on the weakness in the ATL?

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Re: Watching Katia and an Area in the Northwestern Caribbean [Re: Random Chaos]
      #92065 - Wed Aug 31 2011 12:59 PM

Hi Again.

Sorry, do not know what happened to my post. I shall try again.

I have been watching the guidance models as to Katia's movement/path and that the upper ridge she is moving S of will have a weak area in which most models have seemed to agree, she will, at that point, take a more NW path than her current WNW path.

As someone who lives in St. Thomas, US Virgin Islands, I still feel that I should keep a watchful eye on Katia because there are so many factors that could steer her course. Seems to me that last year Earl was predicted to take similar Path as Katia and we all know St. Thomas got hit pretty well with Earl.

Any thoughts or helpful insights for me?

Thanks,

Cordelia

Edited by delia6667 (Wed Aug 31 2011 01:06 PM)


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Re: Watching Katia and an Area in the Northwestern Caribbean [Re: Random Chaos]
      #92066 - Wed Aug 31 2011 01:46 PM

The GOM disturbance is now at 30% probability. May throw an interesting curve ball to all the models.

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Re: Watching Katia and an Area in the Northwestern Caribbean [Re: papaswamp]
      #92068 - Wed Aug 31 2011 02:08 PM

Hi. What will the GOM probabllity due to the path of Katia, especially in relation to we here in St. Thomas, US VI?

Thanks,

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Re: Watching Katia and an Area in the Northwestern Caribbean [Re: delia6667]
      #92069 - Wed Aug 31 2011 02:18 PM

I'm certainly not the one to ask. The pros will pop-up shortly I'm sure once another model run is done.
It looks like a complex situation to say the least.


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Re: Watching Katia and an Area in the Northwestern Caribbean [Re: papaswamp]
      #92070 - Wed Aug 31 2011 02:40 PM

At the present time Katia is Not forecast to pass close to the Virgin Isles or the Lesser Antilles.
Forecasts change, as we all know. Katia appears to be taking the wnw route that will take her out to sea.
The 06Z GFS and other models have the storm passing close to Maine and Nova Scotia, later next week. But that is a long range forecast and subject to change greatly.

Katia is expected to be upgraded to a Category 1 Hurricane later today. Increasing the odds of missing the Lesser Antilles and Virgin Isles.

Please consult your local Weather Service and NHC Advisories on Katia. http://www.srh.noaa.gov/sju/

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/tafb/gridded_mar...m=wind#contents

The area of disturbed weather in the NW Caribbean and SE GOM has been upgraded to 93L on the NRLMRY web site.
http://www.nrlmry.navy.mil/TC.html

Edited by danielw (Wed Aug 31 2011 03:03 PM)


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Re: Watching Katia and an Area in the Northwestern Caribbean [Re: delia6667]
      #92071 - Wed Aug 31 2011 02:47 PM

Keep in mind that you are contemplating a situation that is still about five days away - and any GOM system would still need to develop before any interaction between the two systems could even be considered, i.e., right now it would be speculation on a possible event and the Forecast Lounge is better suited to that type of discussion. For now, it is always good advice just to monitor Katia's progress and any changes in the NHC forecast.
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Re: Watching Katia and an Area in the Northwestern Caribbean [Re: Ed Dunham]
      #92075 - Wed Aug 31 2011 04:39 PM

Gulf area is now Invest 93L and the first Recon is scheduled for Thursday afternoon .
ED

ATLANTIC REQUIREMENTS -- ADDED
1. FLIGHT ONE --TEAL 70--SUSPECT AREA IN CNTRL GULF
A. 01/1800Z
B. AFXXX 01HHA INVEST
C. 01/1630Z
D. 25.0N AND 90.0W
E. 01/1730Z TO 01/ 2300Z
F. SFC TO 10,000FT


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Re: Watching Katia and an Area in the Northwestern Caribbean [Re: Ed Dunham]
      #92079 - Wed Aug 31 2011 07:04 PM

This gulf system is a slow mover, hybrid like, and going to be extremely difficult to forecast. The northern to northwest Gulf seems most likely spot, intensity is hard to say (a bit of shear will probably keep it from gaining too quickly). But likely being a slow mover could bring lots of rain (not necessarily to Texas, though).

Even if this system doesn't develop tropically, it may rain quite a bit (GFS model is projecting around 2FT) along parts of the northern Gulf.



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Re: Watching Katia in the Central Atlantic and Invest 93L in the Gulf [Re: MikeC]
      #92080 - Wed Aug 31 2011 07:23 PM

In the here and now winds aloft are not favorable for development as a strictly tropical system; there is an axis of 30+ knots along a west to east line out ahead of the system. I need a bottle of aspirin to layout all the possibilities of a subtropical system with a long wave trough along the Eastern Seaboard and two upper ridges; unfortunately editing and re-typing my history and ethics classes trumps this system tonight. Katia...is simply too far out to put any faith in the models; however I did note that slight more westward bend to the left right at the end of the 5 day track.

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Re: Watching Katia in the Central Atlantic and Invest 93L in the Gulf [Re: berrywr]
      #92081 - Wed Aug 31 2011 08:37 PM

Best track puts Katia at a hurricane, probably at 11PM. (Not jumping the gun on that tonight) The gulf system is worrying with a potential sit and spin in the gulf (at least for the rainfall).

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Re: Watching Katia in the Central Atlantic and Invest 93L in the Gulf [Re: MikeC]
      #92082 - Wed Aug 31 2011 09:02 PM

NHC is giving the western Gulf system a 60% chance of developing within the next two days. Everyone keep an eye on this system.

Just a quick model note on this storm: GFS is keeping this as a significant system (Tropical Storm or better) playing bumper cars with the gulf coast for over 8 days, bouncing it's way from Louisiana to the Florida panhandle, hitting land around once a day, before finally heading inland! I sure hope this model is very wrong! Other models are also showing a bit of bouncing, some sending it west, others east. There is a very large, strong ridge that is forecast to move north of this system about the time it heads to land which is what will keep it mostly offshore.

Edited by Random Chaos (Wed Aug 31 2011 09:16 PM)


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Re: Watching Katia in the Central Atlantic and Invest 93L in the Gulf [Re: Random Chaos]
      #92083 - Wed Aug 31 2011 09:22 PM

This out about 80 mins ago from the NWS office in my area:

"HAZARDOUS WEATHER OUTLOOK
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE HOUSTON/GALVESTON TX
655 PM CDT WED AUG 31 2011

GMZ330-335-350-355-370-375-TXZ178-179-199-200-210>214-226-227-
235>238-011200-
AUSTIN-BRAZORIA-CHAMBERS-COLORADO-FORT BEND-GALVESTON-
GALVESTON BAY-HARRIS-JACKSON-LIBERTY-MATAGORDA-MATAGORDA BAY-
MONTGOMERY-POLK-SAN JACINTO-WALLER-
WATERS FROM FREEPORT TO THE MATAGORDA SHIP CHANNEL 20 NM TO 60 NM-
WATERS FROM FREEPORT TO THE MATAGORDA SHIP CHANNEL OUT 20 NM-
WATERS FROM HIGH ISLAND TO FREEPORT 20 TO 60 NM-
WATERS FROM HIGH ISLAND TO FREEPORT OUT 20 NM-WHARTON-
655 PM CDT WED AUG 31 2011

THIS HAZARDOUS WEATHER OUTLOOK IS FOR PORTIONS OF SOUTHEAST TEXAS.

.DAY ONE...TONIGHT

NO HAZARDOUS WEATHER IS EXPECTED.

.DAYS TWO THROUGH SEVEN...THURSDAY THROUGH TUESDAY

A TROPICAL WAVE ENTERING THE GULF OF MEXICO IS EXPECTED TO MOVE INTO
THE NORTHERN GULF BY FRIDAY. POTENTIAL TROPICAL DEVELOPMENT AND THE
EXPECTED TRACK OF THIS WAVE REMAIN VERY UNCERTAIN...AND THIS RESULTS
IN A VERY UNCERTAIN FORECAST THAT RANGES FROM A MINIMAL IMPACT ON
OUR AREA TO A POTENTIALLY HIGH IMPACT WITH VERY HEAVY RAINFALL...STRONG
WINDS ALONG THE COAST...DANGEROUS RIP CURRENTS...COASTAL FLOODING AND
BEACH EROSION. RESIDENTS OF SOUTHEAST TEXAS ARE STRONGLY ENCOURAGED
TO MONITOR FORECAST UPDATES OVER THE NEXT SEVERAL DAYS FOR MORE
INFORMATION CONCERNING THIS DEVELOPING WEATHER SITUATION.

.SPOTTER INFORMATION STATEMENT...

SPOTTER ACTIVATION IS NOT ANTICIPATED."

This is more warning than we had with Allison in 2001.


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Re: Watching Katia in the Central Atlantic and Invest 93L in the Gulf [Re: MikeC]
      #92084 - Wed Aug 31 2011 10:59 PM

Katia is upgraded to a hurricane at 11pm.

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Re: Watching Katia in the Central Atlantic and Invest 93L in the Gulf [Re: TXEB]
      #92085 - Wed Aug 31 2011 11:08 PM

93L looks to be a real menace for the Gulf coast. I do not see any sign of low level center with it more mid level it appears right now. Buoy data has not shown any kind of drop but instead rising pressures in area. I see this taking about 48 hours or so before we see depression/maybe storm. Models are not very helpful and with no center yet I dont think they can be used. Global models continue to develop as does 0z NAM which deepens to around 990-992mb as it hugs LA coast. 18Z GFS has storm about same strength and hugs North central Gulf coast then crawls east and landfall and races northward from central/eastern FL panhandle. The 12Z CMC stays meanders the TX coast, NOGAPS hugs and meanders the north central Gulf coast. as well. Its hard to say what will come as it seems to get caught in very weak steering for possibly several days.

Edited by Ed Dunham (Wed Aug 31 2011 11:14 PM)


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