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Chris Becomes our First Hurricane, Tropics Still Bubbling Close to Home
      #92693 - Tue Jun 19 2012 04:38 PM

Update 2PM EDT 06/21/2012
The area in the Gulf is now being tracked as Invest 96L, with chances for development at 50%. There is still quite a bit of disagreement in the models, but more biased toward the western Gulf at this run. Still not organized enough for any confidence, though.
Any development will take a bit to get going. For more speculation on 96L, see the Forecast Lounge.

96L Event Related Links
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Animated Skeetobite Model Plot of 96L
SFWMD Model Plot (Animated Model Plot) SFWMD Hurricane Page (More Tracking Information)
Clark Evans Track Model Plot of 96L (Animated!) Model Plots in Google Earth - In Google Maps
Clark Evans Intensity Model Plot of 96L Clark Evans Track Plot of 96L (Animated!)
Clark Evans Top 10 Analog Storms for 96L
More model runs on from RAL/Jonathan Vigh's page
NRL Info on 96L -- RAMMB Info

Floater Satellite Images: Visible (Loop), IR (Loop), WV (Loop), Dvorak (Loop), AVN (Loop), RGB (Loop), Rainbow (Loop), Funktop (Loop), RB Top Loop)


Update 11AM EDT 06/21/2012
Based on impressive satellite intensity estimates, continued structural improvement, and a complete Windsat pass that showed widespread 60-70MPH winds in all quadrants as early as 4:46AM today, Chris has been formally upgraded to a 75MPH hurricane, and this could be conservative.

Hurricane Chris is forecast to loop around an approaching larger extratropical cyclone, and at some point within the next few days, become absorbed by that feature. Water temps continue easing along its forecast path, but Chris is expected to remain a hurricane or strong tropical storm for at least another 6-12 hours, and then slowly undergo absorption.

The trough in the Gulf of Mexico is plagued by shear, which has actually been on the increase over the past 24 hours, preventing anything from really taking hold at the surface. A region that is not as riddled with shear is confined to the southwestern to southern Gulf, also where the trough axis has been interacting with some of the remaining energy from a portion of eastern Pacific's x-Hurricane Carlotta. If anything is to develop today or tomorrow, this would now be the more favored area.
Ciel

Update 7AM EDT 06/21/2012
Chris Continues in the open Atlantic, Yucatan/Gulf System Still Disorganized

Tropical Storm Chris is continuing to move out in the open Atlantic, keeping a fairly good strength but is about to move into cooler waters and eventually becoming extratropical. Chris' position is very unusual for June.

The broad system near the Yucatan continues to confound the models, with bits of the ensembles taking them in various ways. The short answer is that it will bring some rain to Florida later today, but likely less than yesterday as it continues to organize. It is still much to broad a low area to be considered an invest, and until something materializes it will be difficult to rely on the models, however much of the Gulf Coast, leaning toward the Central and Eastern/Florida Gulf coasts needs to continue to watch this system.

Initial development of the system, if it occurs, will be slow and gradual as upper level winds in the Gulf are currently not good for development, and the air north of Florida is full of dry continental air.



It currently has a 30% chance to develop within the next two days. Based on ship reports in the area it may get a shot to become an "invest" later today, and possibly develop in 48-72 hours.

Update 7PM EDT 06/20/2012
Active Early Start to 2012 Continues

Tropical Storm Chris Still Strengthening
As of the 5PM Advisory, Tropical Storm Chris was upgraded to a 60MPH Tropical Storm. Since that time, additional satellite images show an incipient eye that appears to have become a fully developed eye, complete with some degree of stadium effect, although it is not cleared out.

Chris has more or less taken on the look of a classic high latitude marginal hurricane.

Given that from this distance all we can do is rely on limited data and satellite intensity estimates, it is challenging to determine if hurricane force winds are actually occurring at the surface, but suffice it to say, Chris looks really impressive for the time of year and location.

Chris 2012-06-20 2115 UTC


Northwest Caribbean & Gulf of Mexico Trough
Much closer to home, and of increasing concern, is a stubborn trough that is blowing up several mesoscale convective systems, as well as a general scattering of showers and thunderstorms, throughout the northwestern Caribbean and much of the Gulf of Mexico.

Global models and several of the specialized hurricane models create one or more significant weather makers out of this feature, possibly in the form of tropical cyclones. At present, there is a large spread as to what exactly will form, how many will form, and where it (or they) will go, but it does seem clear that whatever comes of this, Florida is likely to pick up some more tropical rains this week at the very least. All other locations right along the Gulf of Mexico and northwestern Caribbean are also likely to pick up some inclement weather, as well.

This feature has not yet been Invest tagged, but we are monitoring it closely.
Ciel

Original Post
An area usually not known for June storms, the North Central Atlantic, has a new named system, Tropical Storm Chris. The 3rd storm for the 2012 season, and the earliest "C" named storm on record in the Atlantic since 1959 and 1887. This is the 3rd storm this season that has not had a "pure tropical", (ie from a classical tropical wave) formation. Chris also formed from a former cold front, and is borderline tropical.

This area should remain well out to sea and not affect land.

Another area currently over Cuba may be worth watching, it hasn't been tagged as an invest area yet, and chances for development are low (10%), but it should be monitored as it moves into the Gulf.

Models (usually unreliable at this stage) suggest that this system may split with some energy heading westward toward Texas, and others toward Florida. A potential rainmaker for some areas in the Gulf. Florida likely will see better rainfall chances Wednesday night into Thursday. It is something to keep aware of over the next few days.

North Gulf Links North Gulf/Southern Mississippi Valley Composite Radar Loop (Latest Static) East to West:

Mobile, AL Radar Long Range Radar Loop ( Latest Static)

New Orleans, LA Radar Long Range Radar Loop ( Latest Static)

Lake Charles, LA Radar Long Range Radar Loop ( Latest Static)

Houston/Galveston, TX Radar Long Range Radar Loop ( Latest Static)

Gulf of Mexico Satellite Imagery

Area Forecast Discussions: Mississippi/Alabama/Pensacola - New Orleans, LA - Lake Charles, LA - Houston/Galveston, TX
Northeast Gulf Links Southeast Composite Radar Loop (Latest Static)

Tampa Bay, FL Radar Long Range Radar Loop ( Latest Static)

Key West, FL Radar Long Range Radar Loop ( Latest Static)

Mobile, AL Radar Long Range Radar Loop ( Latest Static)

Tallahassee FL Radar Long Range Radar Loop ( Latest Static)

Northwest Florida Radar Long Range Radar Loop ( Latest Static)

Gulf of Mexico Satellite Imagery

SFWMD Full Florida Radar (Includes east LA, MS,AL) Loop with Storm Track

Area Forecast Discussions: Mississippi/Alabama/Pensacola - Panhandle/Tallahassee - Tampa/West Central Florida
East Florida Links Southeast Composite Radar Loop (Latest Static) South to North:

Key West, FL Radar Long Range Radar Loop ( Latest Static)

Miami, FL Radar Long Range Radar Loop ( Latest Static)

Melbourne, FL Radar Long Range Radar Loop ( Latest Static)

Jacksonville, FL Radar Long Range Radar Loop ( Latest Static)


Caribbean/South East Coast Satellite Imagery


SFWMD Radar Loop of South Florida with storm Track


SFWMD Full Florida Radar Loop with Storm Track


Area Forecast Discussions: FLorida Keys - Miami/South Florida - Melbourne/East Central Florida - Jacksonville/Northeast Florida -

Chris Event Related Links
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Animated Skeetobite Model Plot of Chris
SFWMD Model Plot (Animated Model Plot) SFWMD Hurricane Page (More Tracking Information)
Clark Evans Track Model Plot of Chris (Animated!) Model Plots in Google Earth - In Google Maps
Clark Evans Intensity Model Plot of Chris Clark Evans Track Plot of Chris (Animated!)
Clark Evans Top 10 Analog Storms for Chris
More model runs on from RAL/Jonathan Vigh's page
NRL Info on Chris -- RAMMB Info

Floater Satellite Images: Visible (Loop), IR (Loop), WV (Loop), Dvorak (Loop), AVN (Loop), RGB (Loop), Rainbow (Loop), Funktop (Loop), RB Top Loop)

96L Event Related Links
AL962012mltsth.gif
Animated Skeetobite Model Plot of 96L
SFWMD Model Plot (Animated Model Plot) SFWMD Hurricane Page (More Tracking Information)
Clark Evans Track Model Plot of 96L (Animated!) Model Plots in Google Earth - In Google Maps
Clark Evans Intensity Model Plot of 96L Clark Evans Track Plot of 96L (Animated!)
Clark Evans Top 10 Analog Storms for 96L
More model runs on from RAL/Jonathan Vigh's page
NRL Info on 96L -- RAMMB Info

Floater Satellite Images: Visible (Loop), IR (Loop), WV (Loop), Dvorak (Loop), AVN (Loop), RGB (Loop), Rainbow (Loop), Funktop (Loop), RB Top Loop)


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Re: Tropical Storm Chris Forming In Central Atlantic - No Threat To Land [Re: MikeC]
      #92696 - Tue Jun 19 2012 06:11 PM

Tropical Storm Chris definitely appears deserving of the upgrade, although without doubt, it is one of the more marginal tropical cyclones we have seen, being that it is still wound up within an upper level low, and only boasting shallow convection.

So 2012 is definitely turning into a bit of yet another outlier. Seems that we have had so many over the past couple of years. Of course, in the big picture, who knows how early nameable storms formed prior to any kind of official record keeping, which has really gone on for not more than the blink of an eye in geologic scales. Even during most of the past 150 years of so of modern record keeping, identifying tropical cyclones was not half the science it is today. Yet despite this, I have been able to find two other Atlantic Hurricane Seasons with records of three tropical storms actually forming prior to today's date:

In 1959 the 1959 Escuminac Hurricane became the third tropical storm of that year on June 18, although it was not identified as a hurricane in real time, thereby leaving that year's "C" storm, Cindy, unused until July 7.

One has to go even much farther back in history to find the next incidence of a third "named" storm, this time all the way back to 1887.

If 1887 rings a bell to those who follow hurricane lore, it should. 1887 still holds the record as having the third most named storms in the Atlantic Hurricane Season record, bested only by the infamous 1933 and 2005 seasons, and tied only with the above normal to hyperactive 1995, 2010 and 2011 seasons.

Back in 1887, like 2012, two named storms formed in May: Tropical Storm One formed on May 15 and intensified into a high-end 70MPH tropical storm, and Tropical Storm Two formed just two days later, on May 17, peaking out at 60MPH.

Finally, on June 11, 1887, a weak Tropical Storm Three formed just south of the western tip of Cuba, and eventually made landfall in Mississippi.

Despite the obvious multiple similarities, a major difference between the 1887 and 2012 Atlantic Hurricane Seasons has to do with where the respective storms formed. This year, all of our three named storms have been relatively high latitude births, whereas in 1887 all three named storms formed south of 30N.


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Re: Tropical Storm Chris Forming In Central Atlantic - No Threat To Land [Re: MikeC]
      #92697 - Wed Jun 20 2012 01:41 AM

Despite continued marginal SSTs, the structure of the cyclone has improved markedly so far overnight.

Shear over Chris appears to be lessening tonight in response to a more favorable trajectory within a region of mid to upper level flow less inharmonious with development. In response, Chris looks to have become much more organized over the past couple of hours.

Employing a combination of Curved Band and Shear Pattern Dvorak Intensity Analysis suggests that Chris may in fact become a 55+ MPH storm tonight, assuming it hasn't already done so. The most recent CIMSS ADT estimates were still under CI 3.0; however, ADT looks to be placing the center too far to the left of where it likely now lies, having become much more colocated with the bolstered mid level circulation.

We shall see if the current pattern holds, and it is possible that come the 5AM advisory, Chris is found to be appreciably stronger - such would be an impressive feat for a high latitude tropical cyclone so early in a season.

So the question in the very near term is whether or not Chris is actually able to hold on to the current burst of intensification, or will this be so brief that NHC calls it a wash and holds the cyclone at 40 knots come the next advisory.

Longer term, things may also become interesting. Chris keeps outrunning the models a tad to the east-southeast. Doing so for much longer could delay the advertised extratropical transition, perhaps even giving Chris a shot of passing closer to the Azores. Considering that the official forecast is relying quite a bit on these excellent models, but that Chris is a newly named storm, it may be informative to see how the models react to this slight southeastward bias in its actual track so far, along with the possible strengthening mentioned above.

Tropical Cyclone Chris at 0445 UTC 6/20/2012


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Morning Marine Discussion [Re: cieldumort]
      #92698 - Wed Jun 20 2012 07:26 AM

TROPICAL WEATHER OUTLOOK
NWS National Hurricane Center MIAMI FL
200 AM EDT WED JUN 20 2012

FOR THE NORTH ATLANTIC...CARIBBEAN SEA AND THE GULF OF MEXICO...

THE National Hurricane Center IS ISSUING ADVISORIES ON TROPICAL
STORM CHRIS...LOCATED ABOUT 565 MILES SOUTH-SOUTHWEST OF CAPE RACE
NEWFOUNDLAND.

A LOW PRESSURE TROUGH EXTENDING FROM THE NORTHWESTERN CARIBBEAN SEA
NORTHEASTWARD TO THE BAHAMAS IS PRODUCING WIDESPREAD CLOUDINESS...
SHOWERS...AND THUNDERSTORMS. UPPER-LEVEL WINDS ARE NOT
PARTICULARLY CONDUCIVE FOR DEVELOPMENT...AND THIS SYSTEM HAS A LOW
CHANCE...10 PERCENT...OF BECOMING A TROPICAL CYCLONE DURING THE
NEXT 48 HOURS. HEAVY RAINFALL IS LIKELY ACROSS THE CAYMAN
ISLANDS...CUBA...THE BAHAMAS...AND SOUTHERN FLORIDA OVER THE NEXT
COUPLE OF DAYS AS THE SYSTEM MOVES NORTHWESTWARD AT 5 TO 10 MPH.
FLOODING IS ALSO POSSIBLE IN THESE AREAS...ESPECIALLY IN CUBA WHERE
THE GROUND IS ALREADY SATURATED FROM HEAVY RAINFALL OVER THE PAST
SEVERAL WEEKS.

ELSEWHERE...TROPICAL CYCLONE FORMATION IS NOT EXPECTED DURING THE
NEXT 48 HOURS.
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The Discussion highlights the GOM and NW Caribbean very well. Both now, and for the next few days.

MARINE WEATHER DISCUSSION
NWS National Hurricane Center MIAMI FL
358 AM EDT WED JUN 20 2012

MARINE WEATHER DISCUSSION FOR THE GULF OF MEXICO...CARIBBEAN SEA
AND SOUTHWEST NORTH ATLC S OF 31N W OF 55W.

GULF OF MEXICO...
BUOY AND SCATTEROMETER DATA FROM THE PAST SEVERAL HOURS SHOW
FRESH EASTERLY WINDS ACROSS THE EASTERN GULF...BETWEEN HIGH PRES
OFF THE CAROLINAS AND A SHARP TROUGH MOVING OVER THE NW CARIBBEAN
AND POISED TO CROSS THE YUCATAN AND YUCATAN CHANNEL THIS MORNING
AND ENTER THE SE GULF.

GLOBAL MODELS ARE IN GOOD AGREEMENT AS
LEAST IN THE SHORT TERM SHOWING THE TROUGH FROM NE YUCATAN
PENINSULA TO SW FLORIDA BY EARLY THIS AFTERNOON.
THE GFS AND
ECMWF ARE IN DECENT AGREEMENT SHOWING A LOW EMERGING OFF THE N
COAST OF YUCATAN THROUGH THU WITH THE ATTENDANT TROUGH EXTENDING
THROUGH THE FLORIDA BIG BEND AREA.
THE UKMET IS SHOWING THE MAIN
LOW CENTER A LITTLE FURTHER TO THE N BY LATE THU. THE UKMET
POORLY INITIALIZES A MID LEVEL LOW OVER THE SE GULF AND TRACKS IT
NNW WITH THE LOW PRES TRAILING THROUGH THU. THE NOGAPS THE
WEAKEST SHOWING A TROUGH OVER THE WESTERN GULF EMERGING FROM A
WEAK LOW OVER SOUTHERN MEXICO.

THE OFFICIAL FORECAST CONTINUES TO
BE A BLEND OF THE ECMWF AND GFS REGARDING THE POSITION...STRENGTH
AND MOVEMENT OF THE LOW PRES.
WIND FORECAST WILL CONTINUE TO
FAVOR SLIGHTLY STRONGER GFS SOLUTION OVER THE EASTERN GULF...DUE
TO A TIGHTER GRADIENT BETWEEN THE LOW PRES AND THE ATLC RIDGE.
SCATTERED TO NUMEROUS SHOWERS WITH SCATTERED THUNDERSTORM WILL
FOLLOW THE TROUGH INTO THE SE GULF TODAY. EXPECT SCATTERED
CONVECTION ACROSS MUCH OF THE EASTERN GULF INTO THE WEEKEND AS
RICH TROPICAL MOISTURE PUSHES N ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE LOW AND
AHEAD OF AN UPPER TROUGH MOVING THROUGH THE DEEP SOUTH STATES.



Can you say Fujiwhara Effect ? Or Double Barrel Shotgun?

Edited by danielw (Wed Jun 20 2012 07:33 AM)


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Re: Morning Marine Discussion [Re: danielw]
      #92711 - Thu Jun 21 2012 01:47 PM

Its getting about that time...

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Re: Morning Marine Discussion [Re: Storm Cooper]
      #92729 - Thu Jun 21 2012 06:22 PM

Odds are against us. It's been to long. First two tropical storms start off the coast of Jacksonville, for the first time in how many decades? This is going to be an interesting year.

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Re: Morning Marine Discussion [Re: GlenJohnson]
      #92736 - Thu Jun 21 2012 08:37 PM

Please note evening advisory from NHC - - elevated Gulf feature to 70^% probability - advised all gulf coast interests to remain vigilant

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