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Kimster
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Re: Hurricane v. Nor'easter
      Wed Sep 17 2003 10:43 AM

For those that believe a hurricane that passes the Mason/Dixon line becomes a Nor'easter, , I offer the following information to help clarify this matter...(an elaboration of Jason's earlier def.)

Nor'easter: Similar to a hurricane a nor'easter is counter-clock wise turning cyclone (a storm system circulating around a center). Nor'easters are spawned by a very curvy Jet Stream that dips far south allowing cold arctic air to meet warm air. The warm air rises over the cold, creating instability up high and an area of low pressure below. Larger temperature differences create greater turbulence. Once the system is formed, the earths rotation causes the air to circle around the center (similar to when you drain the water out of your bath-tub). This creates the northeast wind, hence it's name nor'easter. They typically form near the Bahamas or north of Cuba, along the Appalachians or off Cape Hatteras. The Jet Stream plays a very important role also in the strengthening of the storm. As the incoming air rises around the center, the Jet Stream whisks it away further increasing the speed of the incoming air. The faster the air moves the faster the barometric pressure drops. Weather forecasters call a 24 millibar drop in 24 hours "The Bomb". Normal Jet Stream winter pattern is to follow the coast and consequently drags the storm northeast ward. Some time a High further north blocks its path and so it churns over the ocean for a long time sending beach-eating waves onshore. During the October to April nor'easter season February is the busiest month. Researchers say the biggest ones occur in October, January and March. What nor'easter don't achieve in wind-speed as compared with hurricanes, they achieve in duration (up to a week) and size (up to 1000 miles or more in diameter).

In addition, some distinct differences between the two:

A hurricane has a warm core. A nor'easter usually has cold air in it's core.

A hurricane's size can reach 200-300 miles across. A nor'easter can reach 1000 miles across.

A hurricane is symmetrical with often a clearly defined center. A nor'easter is irregularly shaped. It is sometimes hard to find the center.

Hurricanes pass a location usually in 6-8 hrs. A nor'easter can last a week.

Hurricane intensity is 74 knots and higher. Nor'easter's intensity is 35-50 knots onshore and higher over the ocean.

Hurricane season is June to November. Nor'easter season is October through April.

Hurricane tracking is easily spotted by satellites and path can be calculated with reasonable accuracy. Nor'easters can spring up out of various conditions. Once formed, they usually take a northeast course.

Hurricanes can virtually level an area, but limited in size. Nor'easter's spread damage around a greater area. Three times as many people died in the March 1993 nor'easter than in Hugo and Andrew combined.

Hurricanes are typically more to the south. Nor'easter's are typically more to the north.

With hurricanes, wind speed, duration, and fetch (distance of wind traveled over water) determine wave severity. With nor'easter's, generally larger systems give wind more time and distance to create large waves.

Only hurricanes are officially named, female and male gender since the early nineties. People generally tie the occurrence of a nor'easter to some date like "The Halloween Storm" or the National Weather Service uses superlatives like "The Superstorm of March 1993".

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* Hurricane Warnings Now Up Through Smith Point in the Chesapeake Bay MikeCAdministrator Wed Sep 17 2003 10:43 AM
. * * Re: Hurricane Warnings Now Up Through Smith Point in the Chesapeake Bay Ed DunhamAdministrator   Wed Sep 17 2003 11:32 PM
. * * last minute changes AlexK   Wed Sep 17 2003 10:45 PM
. * * Re: last minute changes clyde w.   Wed Sep 17 2003 10:55 PM
. * * Re: last minute changes clyde w.   Wed Sep 17 2003 10:56 PM
. * * aaack HanKFranK   Wed Sep 17 2003 11:47 PM
. * * Re: aaack clyde w.   Thu Sep 18 2003 07:09 AM
. * * Isabel 57497479   Thu Sep 18 2003 07:38 AM
. * * Re: last minute changes CFHCAdministrator   Wed Sep 17 2003 11:27 PM
. * * low pressure, low winds AlexK   Wed Sep 17 2003 09:21 PM
. * * Re: low pressure, low winds wxman007   Wed Sep 17 2003 09:40 PM
. * * Re: low pressure, low winds clyde w.   Wed Sep 17 2003 09:47 PM
. * * Re: Isabel or Isadore?? Tropics Guy   Wed Sep 17 2003 09:59 PM
. * * to check out the conditions andy1tom   Wed Sep 17 2003 09:58 PM
. * * i thought we should be getting three hr updates? waync   Wed Sep 17 2003 02:09 PM
. * * Re: i thought we should be getting three hr updates? LI Phil   Wed Sep 17 2003 02:52 PM
. * * Re: Hurricane Warnings Now Up Through Smith Point in the Chesapeake Bay Allison   Wed Sep 17 2003 12:12 PM
. * * thanks allison waync   Wed Sep 17 2003 12:55 PM
. * * Re: thanks allison LI Phil   Wed Sep 17 2003 01:00 PM
. * * misc HanKFranK   Wed Sep 17 2003 01:24 PM
. * * Re: misc scottsvb   Wed Sep 17 2003 01:49 PM
. * * Re: misc LI Phil   Wed Sep 17 2003 03:18 PM
. * * Re: misc WeatherNLU   Wed Sep 17 2003 03:31 PM
. * * Regarding watches... wxman007   Wed Sep 17 2003 03:38 PM
. * * Re: Regarding watches... LI Phil   Wed Sep 17 2003 03:46 PM
. * * Re: Regarding watches... wxman007   Wed Sep 17 2003 04:06 PM
. * * Re: Regarding watches... Steve   Wed Sep 17 2003 04:14 PM
. * * Re: Regarding watches... BeachBum   Thu Sep 18 2003 01:11 AM
. * * Re: Regarding watches... RevUp   Wed Sep 17 2003 04:21 PM
. * * Re: Regarding watches... LI Phil   Wed Sep 17 2003 04:11 PM
. * * Re: Regarding watches... wxman007   Wed Sep 17 2003 04:14 PM
. * * Re: Regarding watches... LI Phil   Wed Sep 17 2003 04:17 PM
. * * Re: Regarding watches... SandiaFlower   Wed Sep 17 2003 07:01 PM
. * * A short story, for sue and anyone else who might care... LI Phil   Wed Sep 17 2003 07:30 PM
. * * Re: A short story, for sue and anyone else who might care... SandiaFlower   Wed Sep 17 2003 08:44 PM
. * * Sue, it's the gift that keeps on giving... LI Phil   Wed Sep 17 2003 08:57 PM
. * * Peace out LoisCane   Wed Sep 17 2003 09:42 PM
. * * Re: Regarding watches... Steve   Wed Sep 17 2003 04:42 PM
. * * Re: Regarding watches... LI Phil   Wed Sep 17 2003 04:51 PM
. * * Re: Regarding watches... Wxwatcher2   Wed Sep 17 2003 05:05 PM
. * * Re: Regarding watches... BeachBum   Thu Sep 18 2003 01:20 AM
. * * Re: Cantore in Kill Devil Hills LI Phil   Wed Sep 17 2003 05:17 PM
. * * A most odd hurricane AlexK   Wed Sep 17 2003 05:25 PM
. * * Avalon Piercam LI Phil   Wed Sep 17 2003 05:40 PM
. * * Re: Avalon Piercam BabyCat   Wed Sep 17 2003 06:29 PM
. * * Re: Avalon Piercam 57497479   Wed Sep 17 2003 07:26 PM
. * * Re: Avalon Piercam Storm Cooper   Wed Sep 17 2003 07:35 PM
. * * Re: Avalon Piercam Domino   Thu Sep 18 2003 01:21 AM
. * * 5 AM WXMAN RICHIE   Thu Sep 18 2003 04:47 AM
. * * Morning All LI Phil   Thu Sep 18 2003 07:53 AM
. * * Isabel ... interesting sat presentation LoisCane   Thu Sep 18 2003 08:35 AM
. * * yakkkk HanKFranK   Thu Sep 18 2003 08:48 AM
. * * Re: yakkkk HanKFranK   Thu Sep 18 2003 08:49 AM
. * * Feel better Hank and Challenge to Bastardi LoisCane   Thu Sep 18 2003 09:12 AM
. * * According to Accuweather...strongest wind speed this hour LoisCane   Thu Sep 18 2003 09:24 AM
. * * Re: According to Accuweather...strongest wind speed this hour Steve   Thu Sep 18 2003 10:20 AM
. * * Re: According to Accuweather...strongest wind speed this hour Steve   Thu Sep 18 2003 11:09 AM
. * * Re: yakkkk LI Phil   Thu Sep 18 2003 09:00 AM
. * * PS..someone tell Kristen Dodd that she's wrong LoisCane   Thu Sep 18 2003 08:42 AM
. * * Re: Avalon Piercam 57497479   Wed Sep 17 2003 08:48 PM
. * * Re: Avalon Piercam Storm Cooper   Wed Sep 17 2003 10:52 PM
. * * Re: Avalon Piercam troy2   Wed Sep 17 2003 07:47 PM
. * * sorry about my mistake AlexK   Thu Sep 18 2003 06:47 AM
. * * Re: Avalon Piercam LI Phil   Wed Sep 17 2003 07:53 PM
. * * back from the beach waync   Wed Sep 17 2003 06:22 PM
. * * Re: Regarding watches... Rubber Ducky   Wed Sep 17 2003 05:15 PM
. * * Re: Regarding watches... jth   Wed Sep 17 2003 05:01 PM
. * * Re: Regarding watches... RevUp   Wed Sep 17 2003 05:05 PM
. * * Re: Regarding watches... Steve   Wed Sep 17 2003 04:44 PM
. * * Re: Regarding watches... RevUp   Wed Sep 17 2003 04:53 PM
. * * Re: Regarding watches... RevUp   Wed Sep 17 2003 03:55 PM
. * * Re: Regarding watches... wezman   Wed Sep 17 2003 03:56 PM
. * * Re: Regarding watches... RevUp   Wed Sep 17 2003 04:02 PM
. * * Re: Regarding watches... wxman007   Wed Sep 17 2003 04:17 PM
. * * when looking at steering graphics wezman   Wed Sep 17 2003 04:40 PM
. * * Re: Regarding watches... RevUp   Wed Sep 17 2003 04:27 PM
. * * Re: Regarding watches...models wezman   Wed Sep 17 2003 03:41 PM
. * * Re: Regarding watches...models wxman007   Wed Sep 17 2003 03:45 PM
. * * Re: misc wxman007   Wed Sep 17 2003 03:27 PM
. * * Re: misc BabyCat   Wed Sep 17 2003 01:57 PM
. * * Re: misc wezman   Wed Sep 17 2003 01:57 PM
. * * Re: Hurricane v. Nor'easter Kimster   Wed Sep 17 2003 10:43 AM
. * * Hurricane v. Nor'easter...you choose LoisCane   Wed Sep 17 2003 11:30 AM
. * * Re: Hurricane v. Nor'easter...you choose javlin   Wed Sep 17 2003 11:40 AM
. * * Re: Hurricane v. Nor'easter...you choose LI Phil   Wed Sep 17 2003 11:33 AM
. * * Re: Hurricane v. Nor'easter...you choose LoisCane   Wed Sep 17 2003 11:44 AM
. * * Re: Hurricane v. Nor'easter jth   Wed Sep 17 2003 11:26 AM
. * * Re: Hurricane v. Nor'easter LI Phil   Wed Sep 17 2003 10:54 AM
. * * check out what's happening... waync   Wed Sep 17 2003 10:59 AM
. * * turn at 30n waync   Wed Sep 17 2003 11:36 AM
. * * Re: turn at 30n wezman   Wed Sep 17 2003 11:43 AM
. * * Re: turn at 30n wezman   Wed Sep 17 2003 11:45 AM
. * * I find it amazing that no one wants to discuss this.. LoisCane   Wed Sep 17 2003 11:58 AM
. * * Re: I find it amazing that no one wants to discuss this.. LI Phil   Wed Sep 17 2003 12:07 PM
. * * Re: I find it amazing that no one wants to discuss this.. RevUp   Wed Sep 17 2003 12:52 PM
. * * What does that mean Phil? About recon? LoisCane   Wed Sep 17 2003 12:10 PM
. * * Re: What does that mean Phil? About recon? LI Phil   Wed Sep 17 2003 12:21 PM
. * * Re: What does that mean Phil? About recon? FloridaNative   Wed Sep 17 2003 03:32 PM
. * * Re: What does that mean Phil? About recon? MikeCAdministrator   Wed Sep 17 2003 03:34 PM
. * * Degrees vs. Mileage CHASRandy   Wed Sep 17 2003 11:06 AM
. * * Re: Degrees vs. Mileage stormchazer   Wed Sep 17 2003 11:36 AM
. * * Re: Degrees vs. Mileage javlin   Wed Sep 17 2003 11:22 AM
. * * Re: Hurricane Warnings Now Up Through Smith Point in the Chesapeake Bay tom5r   Wed Sep 17 2003 10:13 AM
. * * Re: Hurricane Warnings Now Up Through Smith Point in the Chesapeake Bay andy1tom   Wed Sep 17 2003 09:45 AM
. * * gfdl model waync   Wed Sep 17 2003 08:33 AM
. * * Morning All LI Phil   Wed Sep 17 2003 09:11 AM
. * * Re: Morning All HanKFranK   Wed Sep 17 2003 09:46 AM
. * * dry air might soften the blow? waync   Wed Sep 17 2003 10:25 AM
. * * Re: Morning All LI Phil   Wed Sep 17 2003 10:18 AM
. * * Re: Hurricane Warnings Now Up Through Smith Point in the Chesapeake Bay jeff   Wed Sep 17 2003 08:31 AM

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