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Devil's advocate
      Fri Oct 28 2005 04:34 PM

well...it's like the battle of the under dogs and the power hogs in the 18z run...
the typically poorer performing NAM, CLIPER, and LBAR now to varying degrees (errr, impetus on "varying") keep beta off-shore of the nic/hon nexus... meanwhile, all other models, which range from typically somewhat better to stellar by comparison, they're all happily clustered around the westward track... 2002 patriots?

synoptic reasoning isn't changing save details in any alarming way so in the end, it will probably (for me) come down to the amplitude of ridging n - what's new - and less on those westward track philosophies, which seem to be exercising the might of beta drift perhaps too myopically. what other reason is there for them having failed to turn w now for i think it is 18 hours worth of runs - check that, but i'm fairly certain they are belated and one must wonder why. ...just looking for clues to answer, and the differences seem to be related to model design.

i think it safe to say that the trough currently scraping by to the n is guilty of inducing the n tug in the last 24 hours, which it is important to note, was not seen by the w tended model camp of runs. that should mean something significant if your in the business of correcting..et al. basically, we can conclude with a certain air of confidence that if there is impetus to allow it out of the deep latitudes, it's gonna take it... that sort of charges the w moving camp of runs with the responsibility of being damn sure that whatever will induce that w motion, is enough. probably will be, ultimately, but they've failed in the responsibility for 3 time intervals now.. but as a cop-out compromise, somewhere between the CMC and the BAM runs will probably suffice.

that's bad bad bad... the thing is...such a trajectory is a floody one... not enough to make it a non-entity so heavy rain/slow mover plagues. just a possibility.

in the end, (for me) beta has about 18 more hours before whatever ridge expression nne east begins to re-assert an influence...until that time, i don't see really how this can establish the long awaited w motion.. as noted in an earlier discussion, there is a correlation between the size of a circulation and the amount of beta effect actually effects the motion of a tc. that being said...beta's been a small circulation to this point; it just may be that those other runs, which do carry beta parameterizations as a component (particularly talking about the BAM cluster) are biased in that regard and thus too apt to a w motion...

don't worry you floridians! i am by no means using this to imply that florida or the se u.s. will or won't be impacted.. i'm simply looking at the w motion guidance and asking 'why'... i could blindly follow the model solutions but i don't see the steering depth for borderline TS/cat 1 hurricane, really in a hurry to do that w motion until after 18 hours, and even then it is not really a very strong implication...

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* Tropical Storm Beta and other areas. MikeCAdministrator Fri Oct 28 2005 04:34 PM
. * * Re: Tropical Storm Beta and other areas. Beach   Fri Oct 28 2005 09:42 AM
. * * Re: Tropical Storm Beta and other areas. wulrich   Thu Oct 27 2005 05:15 PM
. * * Re: Tropical Storm Beta and other areas. Margie   Thu Oct 27 2005 05:21 PM
. * * Re: Tropical Storm Beta and other areas. Thunderbird12   Thu Oct 27 2005 05:27 PM
. * * Re: Tropical Storm Beta and other areas. Margie   Thu Oct 27 2005 06:10 PM
. * * Other areas? danielwAdministrator   Thu Oct 27 2005 08:06 PM
. * * Beta danielwAdministrator   Thu Oct 27 2005 08:16 PM
. * * Re: Beta Margie   Thu Oct 27 2005 08:40 PM
. * * Re: Beta Clark   Thu Oct 27 2005 09:08 PM
. * * Re: Beta Beaumont, TX   Thu Oct 27 2005 09:00 PM
. * * Nicaragua Population danielwAdministrator   Thu Oct 27 2005 09:40 PM
. * * ODT danielwAdministrator   Thu Oct 27 2005 08:59 PM
. * * Beta danielwAdministrator   Thu Oct 27 2005 09:06 PM
. * * Re: Beta danielwAdministrator   Thu Oct 27 2005 09:15 PM
. * * Re: Watching a Few Areas in The Tropics damejune2   Wed Oct 26 2005 04:44 PM
. * * Re: Watching a Few Areas in The Tropics Thunderbird12   Wed Oct 26 2005 05:16 PM
. * * Re: Watching a Few Areas in The Tropics rd261   Wed Oct 26 2005 05:27 PM
. * * Re: Watching a Few Areas in The Tropics Thunderbird12   Wed Oct 26 2005 05:33 PM
. * * Re: Watching a Few Areas in The Tropics Margie   Wed Oct 26 2005 06:15 PM
. * * Re: Watching a Few Areas in The Tropics typhoon_tip   Wed Oct 26 2005 06:50 PM
. * * Re: Watching a Few Areas in The Tropics danielwAdministrator   Wed Oct 26 2005 08:03 PM
. * * Re: Watching a Few Areas in The Tropics Thunderbird12   Wed Oct 26 2005 05:24 PM
. * * Re: Watching a Few Areas in The Tropics Clark   Wed Oct 26 2005 06:27 PM
. * * Re: Watching a Few Areas in The Tropics Margie   Wed Oct 26 2005 08:24 PM
. * * Evening TWD Highlights danielwAdministrator   Wed Oct 26 2005 09:15 PM
. * * Re: Watching a Few Areas in The Tropics Thunderbird12   Wed Oct 26 2005 09:11 PM
. * * Re: Watching a Few Areas in The Tropics Margie   Wed Oct 26 2005 09:23 PM
. * * Re: Watching a Few Areas in The Tropics typhoon_tip   Wed Oct 26 2005 10:20 PM
. * * Re: Watching a Few Areas in The Tropics HanKFranK   Wed Oct 26 2005 09:50 PM
. * * Re: Watching a Few Areas in The Tropics typhoon_tip   Wed Oct 26 2005 10:41 PM
. * * Re: Watching a Few Areas in The Tropics Margie   Wed Oct 26 2005 10:50 PM
. * * Re: Watching a Few Areas in The Tropics typhoon_tip   Wed Oct 26 2005 10:56 PM
. * * Re: Watching a Few Areas in The Tropics Margie   Wed Oct 26 2005 11:11 PM
. * * Re: Watching a Few Areas in The Tropics Clark   Thu Oct 27 2005 10:32 AM
. * * Re: Watching a Few Areas in The Tropics Margie   Thu Oct 27 2005 11:08 AM
. * * Re: Watching a Few Areas in The Tropics doug   Thu Oct 27 2005 12:16 PM
. * * Re: Watching a Few Areas in The Tropics Margie   Thu Oct 27 2005 12:32 PM
. * * Re: Watching a Few Areas in The Tropics HanKFranK   Thu Oct 27 2005 01:52 PM
. * * Re: Watching a Few Areas in The Tropics Margie   Thu Oct 27 2005 02:36 PM
. * * Re: Watching a Few Areas in The Tropics Littlebit   Thu Oct 27 2005 03:57 PM
. * * Re: Watching a Few Areas in The Tropics damejune2   Thu Oct 27 2005 04:46 PM
. * * Re: Watching a Few Areas in The Tropics Clark   Thu Oct 27 2005 08:59 PM
. * * Re: Watching a Few Areas in The Tropics typhoon_tip   Thu Oct 27 2005 10:49 PM
. * * Re: Watching a Few Areas in The Tropics Old Sailor   Thu Oct 27 2005 10:56 PM
. * * Re: Watching a Few Areas in The Tropics typhoon_tip   Thu Oct 27 2005 11:03 PM
. * * Re: Watching a Few Areas in The Tropics La Nimo   Thu Oct 27 2005 11:30 PM
. * * Re: Watching a Few Areas in The Tropics HanKFranK   Thu Oct 27 2005 11:58 PM
. * * Re: Watching a Few Areas in The Tropics typhoon_tip   Fri Oct 28 2005 12:06 AM
. * * Beta... danielwAdministrator   Fri Oct 28 2005 06:03 AM
. * * Re: Beta... BullitNutz   Fri Oct 28 2005 06:15 AM
. * * Re: Beta... danielwAdministrator   Fri Oct 28 2005 06:37 AM
. * * Re: Beta... meranto   Fri Oct 28 2005 07:25 AM
. * * Re: Beta... BullitNutz   Fri Oct 28 2005 07:36 AM
. * * Re: Beta... Margie   Fri Oct 28 2005 07:51 AM
. * * Re: Beta... BullitNutz   Fri Oct 28 2005 07:55 AM
. * * Re: Beta... Margie   Fri Oct 28 2005 09:20 AM
. * * Re: Beta... Thunderbird12   Fri Oct 28 2005 09:43 AM
. * * Re: Beta... typhoon_tip   Fri Oct 28 2005 11:41 AM
. * * Wilma wilma Robert   Fri Oct 28 2005 12:34 PM
. * * Re: Wilma wilma Margie   Fri Oct 28 2005 12:59 PM
. * * Re: Wilma wilma scottsvb   Fri Oct 28 2005 12:51 PM
. * * Re: Wilma wilma trinibaje   Fri Oct 28 2005 02:23 PM
. * * Re: Wilma wilma twizted sizter   Fri Oct 28 2005 02:37 PM
. * * Re: Wilma wilma craigm   Fri Oct 28 2005 02:17 PM
. * * Re: Wilma wilma emackl   Fri Oct 28 2005 01:28 PM
. * * Re: Wilma wilma Thunderbird12   Fri Oct 28 2005 02:48 PM
. * * Re: Wilma wilma twizted sizter   Fri Oct 28 2005 02:54 PM
. * * Re: Wilma wilma Margie   Fri Oct 28 2005 02:59 PM
. * * Re: Wilma wilma Thunderbird12   Fri Oct 28 2005 03:05 PM
. * * Re: Wilma wilma Margie   Fri Oct 28 2005 03:11 PM
. * * take HanKFranK   Fri Oct 28 2005 03:35 PM
. * * Devil's advocate typhoon_tip   Fri Oct 28 2005 04:34 PM
. * * Re: Devil's advocate Margie   Fri Oct 28 2005 05:16 PM
. * * Re: Devil's advocate typhoon_tip   Fri Oct 28 2005 05:25 PM
. * * Re: Devil's advocate Margie   Fri Oct 28 2005 05:34 PM
. * * Re: Devil's advocate typhoon_tip   Fri Oct 28 2005 06:01 PM
. * * Re: Devil's advocate typhoon_tip   Fri Oct 28 2005 05:47 PM
. * * Re: Devil's advocate Margie   Fri Oct 28 2005 06:29 PM
. * * More model questions Random Chaos   Fri Oct 28 2005 06:02 PM
. * * Re: More model questions typhoon_tip   Fri Oct 28 2005 06:42 PM
. * * Re: take Old Sailor   Fri Oct 28 2005 03:43 PM
. * * Re: take emackl   Fri Oct 28 2005 03:41 PM
. * * Vortex Thunderbird12   Fri Oct 28 2005 02:58 PM
. * * Re: Wilma wilma scottsvb   Fri Oct 28 2005 01:54 PM
. * * Re: Wilma wilma JMII   Fri Oct 28 2005 12:46 PM
. * * Re: Wilma wilma typhoon_tip   Fri Oct 28 2005 12:44 PM
. * * Re: Wilma wilma typhoon_tip   Fri Oct 28 2005 12:50 PM
. * * Re: Beta... damejune2   Fri Oct 28 2005 12:08 PM
. * * Re: Beta... typhoon_tip   Fri Oct 28 2005 12:24 PM
. * * Re: Beta... Steve H1   Fri Oct 28 2005 11:32 AM
. * * Re: Beta... typhoon_tip   Fri Oct 28 2005 12:12 PM
. * * Re: Beta... Margie   Fri Oct 28 2005 07:15 AM
. * * Re: Watching a Few Areas in The Tropics typhoon_tip   Thu Oct 27 2005 11:38 PM
. * * Re: Watching a Few Areas in The Tropics Ed in Va   Thu Oct 27 2005 04:50 PM
. * * Re: Watching a Few Areas in The Tropics Thunderbird12   Thu Oct 27 2005 05:21 PM
. * * Re: Watching a Few Areas in The Tropics ralphfl   Thu Oct 27 2005 05:13 PM
. * * Re: Watching a Few Areas in The Tropics bobbutts   Thu Oct 27 2005 10:14 PM
. * * Re: Watching a Few Areas in The Tropics Storm Hunter   Thu Oct 27 2005 10:48 PM
. * * Re: Watching a Few Areas in The Tropics Ned   Thu Oct 27 2005 05:58 PM
. * * Re: Watching a Few Areas in The Tropics StPeteBill   Thu Oct 27 2005 08:03 PM
. * * Re: Watching a Few Areas in The Tropics Ned   Fri Oct 28 2005 06:34 AM
. * * Re: Watching a Few Areas in The Tropics GuppieGrouper   Fri Oct 28 2005 07:10 AM
. * * Re: Watching a Few Areas in The Tropics Margie   Thu Oct 27 2005 04:19 PM
. * * Re: Watching a Few Areas in The Tropics Bloodstar   Thu Oct 27 2005 02:34 PM
. * * Re: Watching a Few Areas in The Tropics Clark   Thu Oct 27 2005 11:01 AM
. * * Re: Watching a Few Areas in The Tropics typhoon_tip   Wed Oct 26 2005 11:24 PM
. * * Re: Watching a Few Areas in The Tropics Margie   Wed Oct 26 2005 11:34 PM
. * * Re: Watching a Few Areas in The Tropics danielwAdministrator   Wed Oct 26 2005 11:41 PM
. * * Re: Watching a Few Areas in The Tropics typhoon_tip   Wed Oct 26 2005 11:48 PM
. * * Re: Watching a Few Areas in The Tropics danielwAdministrator   Wed Oct 26 2005 11:51 PM
. * * Re: Watching a Few Areas in The Tropics typhoon_tip   Wed Oct 26 2005 11:56 PM
. * * Re: Watching a Few Areas in The Tropics Margie   Thu Oct 27 2005 12:18 AM
. * * Re: Watching a Few Areas in The Tropics typhoon_tip   Thu Oct 27 2005 12:28 AM
. * * TD 26 and 91L danielwAdministrator   Thu Oct 27 2005 02:09 AM
. * * Re: TD 26 and 91L Hugh   Thu Oct 27 2005 07:00 AM
. * * Re: TD 26 danielwAdministrator   Thu Oct 27 2005 03:10 AM
. * * Tropical Storm BETA danielwAdministrator   Thu Oct 27 2005 04:57 AM
. * * Re: Tropical Storm BETA Margie   Thu Oct 27 2005 08:48 AM
. * * Re: Tropical Storm BETA Beaumont, TX   Thu Oct 27 2005 09:07 AM
. * * Re: Tropical Storm BETA Thunderbird12   Thu Oct 27 2005 09:26 AM
. * * Re: Tropical Storm BETA Hootowl   Thu Oct 27 2005 09:57 AM
. * * Re: Tropical Storm BETA doug   Thu Oct 27 2005 10:14 AM
. * * Re: Tropical Storm BETA Thunderbird12   Thu Oct 27 2005 10:43 AM
. * * Model Runs danielwAdministrator   Thu Oct 27 2005 12:08 AM
. * * Re: Model Runs typhoon_tip   Thu Oct 27 2005 12:20 AM
. * * Re: Watching a Few Areas in The Tropics danielwAdministrator   Wed Oct 26 2005 11:04 PM
. * * Re: Watching a Few Areas in The Tropics typhoon_tip   Wed Oct 26 2005 11:17 PM
. * * Re: Watching a Few Areas in The Tropics Random Chaos   Wed Oct 26 2005 11:04 PM
. * * Re: Watching a Few Areas in The Tropics typhoon_tip   Wed Oct 26 2005 11:05 PM
. * * Re: Watching a Few Areas in The Tropics Random Chaos   Wed Oct 26 2005 11:07 PM
. * * Re: Watching a Few Areas in The Tropics Random Chaos   Wed Oct 26 2005 10:20 PM
. * * Re: Watching a Few Areas in The Tropics danielwAdministrator   Wed Oct 26 2005 10:46 PM
. * * Re: Watching a Few Areas in The Tropics CoalCracker   Wed Oct 26 2005 10:45 PM
. * * Re: Watching a Few Areas in The Tropics danielwAdministrator   Wed Oct 26 2005 09:40 PM
. * * Re: Watching a Few Areas in The Tropics GuppieGrouper   Wed Oct 26 2005 09:35 PM
. * * Re: Watching a Few Areas in The Tropics Ned   Thu Oct 27 2005 05:50 PM
. * * Depression #26 Forms recmod   Wed Oct 26 2005 09:35 PM
. * * Re: Depression #26 Forms Wait'l next year! Cubs win W S - No hurricanes   Thu Oct 27 2005 11:14 AM
. * * Re: Watching a Few Areas in The Tropics typhoon_tip   Wed Oct 26 2005 05:38 PM
. * * Re: Watching a Few Areas in The Tropics JMII   Wed Oct 26 2005 05:13 PM

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