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HanKFranK
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Re: Delta... why not?
      Tue Nov 22 2005 09:04 PM

sailor, because of the shallower than typical convection and ragged look the storm has under a less-than-normal anticyclonic flow aloft, the satellite algorithms don't see a tropical storm. however, if you look at cloud motions and the fact that it has an eye and partial convective ring, the idea that it's a depression is nuts. remember, those t-ratings run low when you've got a sheared or hybrid system.
with the tropical rating and gale force quickscat vectors, the nhc not classifying the system at the next advisory cycle would be prepostorous. almost certain they will. if it goes straight to tropical, it begets the question: why have a subtropical system classification? they rarely use it for hybrid systems.. usually waiting until the system is obviously tropical to start advisories on it. case and point--vince earlier this year, otto last year, peter in 2003, karen in 2001... the post-analyzed subtropical storm of 2000. really hope the nhc takes a more active stance on classifying subtropical cyclones when they're active, as opposed to after the fact.
been looking at the sst fields out there, and along the expected track they run pretty much in the upper 70s. 80F gets quoted as the threshold all the time, but a tropical storm or hurricane in a colder than normal, baroclinic, or high-than normal slp environment doesn't always need that number. when dealing with late season hybrids, the usual barotropic rules are out the window.
okay, 'nuff of that.
HF 0204z23november

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* Delta... why not? HanKFranK Tue Nov 22 2005 09:04 PM
. * * Re: Delta... why not? FloydRTurbo   Wed Nov 23 2005 10:31 PM
. * * Re: Delta... why not? UKCloudgazer   Thu Nov 24 2005 05:25 AM
. * * Re: Delta... why not? FloydRTurbo   Thu Nov 24 2005 12:10 PM
. * * Re: Delta... why not? vineyardsaker   Tue Nov 22 2005 08:11 PM
. * * Re: Delta... why not? Rich B   Tue Nov 22 2005 05:28 PM
. * * Re: Delta... why not? typhoon_tip   Tue Nov 22 2005 06:29 PM
. * * Re: Delta... why not? Margie   Tue Nov 22 2005 06:03 PM
. * * Re: Delta... why not? Clark   Tue Nov 22 2005 07:48 PM
. * * Re: Delta... why not? Old Sailor   Tue Nov 22 2005 07:58 PM
. * * Re: Delta... why not? Clark   Tue Nov 22 2005 08:54 PM
. * * Re: Delta... why not? Old Sailor   Tue Nov 22 2005 09:06 PM
. * * Re: Delta... why not? HanKFranK   Tue Nov 22 2005 09:31 PM
. * * Re: Delta... why not? Old Sailor   Tue Nov 22 2005 09:53 PM
. * * Re: Delta... why not? HanKFranK   Tue Nov 22 2005 11:51 PM
. * * Re: Delta... why not? Margie   Wed Nov 23 2005 12:24 AM
. * * Re: Delta... why not? Bloodstar   Wed Nov 23 2005 01:30 AM
. * * Re: Delta... why not? Clark   Wed Nov 23 2005 01:52 AM
. * * Re: Delta... why not? danielwAdministrator   Wed Nov 23 2005 02:20 AM
. * * Re: Delta... why not? Bloodstar   Wed Nov 23 2005 02:25 AM
. * * Re: Delta... why not? danielwAdministrator   Wed Nov 23 2005 02:32 AM
. * * Re: Delta... why not? dave foster   Wed Nov 23 2005 08:39 AM
. * * Re: Delta... why not? UKCloudgazer   Wed Nov 23 2005 10:39 AM
. * * Re: Delta... why not? dave foster   Wed Nov 23 2005 11:45 AM
. * * Re: Delta... why not? HanKFranK   Wed Nov 23 2005 12:12 PM
. * * Re: Delta... why not? Rabbit   Wed Nov 23 2005 01:57 PM
. * * Why is the NHC not naming this storm? vineyardsaker   Wed Nov 23 2005 02:59 PM
. * * Re: Why is the NHC not naming this storm? Margie   Wed Nov 23 2005 03:41 PM
. * * Re: Why is the NHC not naming this storm? Storm Hunter   Wed Nov 23 2005 03:24 PM
. * * Re: Why is the NHC not naming this storm? Lee-Delray   Wed Nov 23 2005 03:41 PM
. * * Re: Why is the NHC not naming this storm? Trekman   Wed Nov 23 2005 04:17 PM
. * * Re: Why is the NHC not naming this storm? typhoon_tip   Wed Nov 23 2005 04:22 PM
. * * Re: Why is the NHC not naming this storm? Rabbit   Wed Nov 23 2005 03:42 PM
. * * Re: Why is the NHC not naming this storm? HanKFranK   Wed Nov 23 2005 03:57 PM
. * * Re: Why is the NHC not naming this storm? *Killed -- Sent to Graveyard* La Nimo   Wed Nov 23 2005 04:23 PM
. * * Re: Why is the NHC not naming this storm? *Killed -- Sent to Graveyard* dave foster   Wed Nov 23 2005 04:39 PM
. * * Re: Why is the NHC not naming this storm? Random Chaos   Wed Nov 23 2005 05:16 PM
. * * Re: Why is the NHC not naming this storm? Margie   Wed Nov 23 2005 05:37 PM
. * * Re: Why is the NHC not naming this storm? Tak   Wed Nov 23 2005 05:48 PM
. * * Re: Why is the NHC not naming this storm? Tak   Wed Nov 23 2005 05:55 PM
. * * Re: Why is the NHC not naming this storm? tpratch   Wed Nov 23 2005 06:20 PM
. * * Re: Why is the NHC not naming this storm? GuppieGrouper   Wed Nov 23 2005 06:59 PM
. * * Interesting Note danielwAdministrator   Wed Nov 23 2005 07:46 PM
. * * hmmm.. HanKFranK   Wed Nov 23 2005 08:32 PM
. * * Re: hmmm.. LoisCane   Wed Nov 23 2005 09:45 PM
. * * Re: hmmm.. Margie   Wed Nov 23 2005 10:00 PM
. * * Delta Burke's direction..? ltpat228   Wed Nov 23 2005 10:19 PM
. * * Re: hmmm.. emackl   Wed Nov 23 2005 08:40 PM
. * * Re: hmmm.. NONAME   Wed Nov 23 2005 08:48 PM
. * * Re: hmmm.. dave foster   Wed Nov 23 2005 09:18 PM
. * * Re: Why is the NHC not naming this storm? UKCloudgazer   Wed Nov 23 2005 05:48 PM
. * * Re: Why is the NHC not naming this storm? Rabbit   Wed Nov 23 2005 05:06 PM
. * * Re: Why is the NHC not naming this storm? typhoon_tip   Wed Nov 23 2005 04:18 PM
. * * Re: Why is the NHC not naming this storm? Margie   Wed Nov 23 2005 04:04 PM
. * * Re: Delta... why not? ltpat228   Wed Nov 23 2005 08:46 AM
. * * Re: Delta... why not? Lee-Delray   Wed Nov 23 2005 10:48 AM
. * * Re: Delta... why not? ltpat228   Wed Nov 23 2005 11:34 AM
. * * Re: Delta... why not? Rabbit   Wed Nov 23 2005 11:22 AM
. * * Re: Delta... why not? dave foster   Wed Nov 23 2005 11:49 AM
. * * Re: Delta... why not? damejune2   Wed Nov 23 2005 10:24 AM
. * * Re: Delta... why not? Lee-Delray   Wed Nov 23 2005 08:54 AM
. * * December Doombot!   Wed Nov 23 2005 03:30 AM
. * * Re: Delta... why not? danielwAdministrator   Wed Nov 23 2005 01:21 AM
. * * Re: Delta... why not? HanKFranK   Tue Nov 22 2005 09:04 PM
. * * Re: Delta... why not? Bloodstar   Tue Nov 22 2005 07:05 PM
. * * Re: Delta... why not? Rabbit   Tue Nov 22 2005 03:46 PM
. * * Re: Delta... why not? Rich B   Tue Nov 22 2005 04:20 PM
. * * Re: Delta... why not? ltpat228   Tue Nov 22 2005 04:37 PM
. * * Re: Delta... why not? Rich B   Tue Nov 22 2005 02:37 PM

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