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berrywr
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Re: Ida Again Tropical Storm Moving Toward Gulf
      Mon Nov 09 2009 06:25 PM

This is the Model Diagnostic Discussion courtesy of HPC pertaining to Ida and future evolution of its remains::

MODEL DIAGNOSTIC DISCUSSION
NWS HYDROMETEOROLOGICAL PREDICTION CENTER CAMP SPRINGS MD
147 PM EST MON NOV 09 2009

VALID NOV 09/1200 UTC THRU NOV 13/0000 UTC


...SEE NOUS42 KWNO ADMNFD FOR THE STATUS OF THE UPPER AIR
INGEST...

12Z MODEL EVALUATION INCLUDING THE NEW ECMWF AND FINAL PREFERENCES

INITIALIZATION ERRORS WITH THE NAM/GFS DO NOT APPEAR TO
SIGNIFICANTLY IMPACTS THEIR FORECASTS.

Excerpt follows:

PREFERENCE: 1/2 EACH GFS/ECMWF

...HURRICANE IDA...
...INTERACTION OF IDA WITH SHORTWAVE TROUGH OVER TEXAS...

THE MAJORITY OF MODELS...INCLUDING THE NAM...ALLOW THE APPROACHING
SHORTWAVE TROUGH TO PULL IDA IN A NORTHWESTERLY DIRECTION UNTIL
THEY CONSOLIDATE NEAR THE GULF COAST BY 12Z TUE. HOWEVER...
THE NAM LIES NEAR THE SOUTHWEST OR SLOW EDGE OF THE GUIDANCE
DURING THIS PROCESS AND IS CONSIDERED LEAST RELIABLE...WHILE ALL
OTHER GUIDANCE...INCLUDING THE GFS/ECMWF ALLOW THE CONSOLIDATED
LOW TO DRIFT EASTWARD INTO THE FLORIDA PANHANDLE BY TUE...WHICH IS
IN GOOD AGREEMENT WITH HURRICANE MODEL GUIDANCE. REFER TO THE TPC
FOR THE OFFICIAL FORECAST.

...SHORTWAVE TROUGH AMPLIFYING OVER THE EAST TUE/WED...

PREFERENCE: 1/2 GEFS MEAN TO 1/4 EACH GFS/CANADIAN

THERE HAS BEEN A NOTABLE TREND IN THE MAJORITY OF GUIDANCE THE
LAST TWO DAYS TO DELAY A COMPLICATED PHASING PROCESS OF THIS
TROUGH WITH A SEPARATE SHORTWAVE TROUGH MOVING INTO THE SOUTHEAST
UNTIL BOTH TROUGHS REACH THE EAST COAST. THE NAM AND MULTI-MODEL
ENSEMBLE MEANS WERE FIRST TO DISPLAY A LESS-PHASED OR UNPHASED
SOLUTION 1-2 DAYS AGO...WITH THE DETERMINISTIC GUIDANCE SLOWLY
COMING INTO AGREEMENT. THE NEW NAM CONTINUES TO SHOW NO
PHASING...BUT IS MOSTLY DUE TO ITS SLOW OUTLIER SOLUTION IN THE
GULF...SO THE NAM CAN NOT PHASE. MEANWHILE THE NEW GFS HAS TRENDED
TOWARD SLOWER AND WEAKER PHASING...RESULTING IN A LESS PRONOUNCED
SURFACE LOW OFF THE GA/SC COAST...WITH REASONABLY GOOD SUPPORT
PROVIDED FROM THE CANADIAN AND GEFS MEAN...
ALBEIT WEAKER AND MORE SUPPRESSED THAN THE GFS. THE ECMWF/UKMET
NOW REMAIN THE ONLY DETERMINISTIC SOLUTIONS SUPPORTING
CONSIDERABLE SURFACE LOW DEVELOPMENT OFF THE SC COAST BY THU.
THUS...WILL MAINTAIN CONTINUITY WITH PRIOR REASONING THAT THE
POSITIVELY-TILTED LONGWAVE PATTERN AND ITS SUBSEQUENT SHORTWAVE
PATTERN SUPPORT A SUPPRESSED AND PROGRESSIVE SURFACE LOW
EVOLUTION...WHICH IS CLOSEST TO THE GEFS MEAN.

...MODEL TREND GRAPHICS AT
www.HPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/HTML/MODEL2.SHTML...

...500 MB FORECASTS AT
www.HPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/H5PREF/H5PREF.SHTML...

--------------------
Sincerely,

Bill Berry

"Survived Trigonometry and Calculus I"

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* Ida Lounge, What will happen? MikeCAdministrator Mon Nov 09 2009 06:25 PM
. * * Re: Ida Again Tropical Storm Moving Toward Gulf rgd   Sat Nov 07 2009 01:38 PM
. * * Re: Ida Again Tropical Storm Moving Toward Gulf berrywr   Mon Nov 09 2009 06:25 PM
. * * Re: Ida Again Tropical Storm Moving Toward Gulf berrywr   Mon Nov 09 2009 06:02 PM
. * * Not exactly a forecast but an info request. Rasvar   Sat Nov 07 2009 07:42 PM
. * * Re: Not exactly a forecast but an info request. Rasvar   Sun Nov 08 2009 03:05 PM
. * * Re: Not exactly a forecast but an info request. WeatherNut   Sun Nov 08 2009 04:53 PM
. * * Re: Ida Again Tropical Storm Moving Toward Gulf rgd   Sat Nov 07 2009 10:33 AM
. * * Re: Ida Again Tropical Storm Moving Toward Gulf MikeCAdministrator   Sun Nov 08 2009 10:12 PM
. * * Re: Ida Again Tropical Storm Moving Toward Gulf MikeCAdministrator   Sat Nov 07 2009 10:48 AM
. * * Re: Ida Again Tropical Storm Moving Toward Gulf Rasvar   Sat Nov 07 2009 12:33 PM
. * * Re: Hurricane Ida TampaDon   Thu Nov 05 2009 02:49 PM
. * * Re: Hurricane Ida MikeCAdministrator   Thu Nov 05 2009 04:51 PM
. * * Re: Hurricane Ida MichaelA   Fri Nov 06 2009 11:31 AM
. * * Re: Hurricane Ida kenny'sinstinct   Mon Nov 09 2009 03:25 AM
. * * Re: Hurricane Ida ltpat228   Mon Nov 09 2009 08:59 AM
. * * Re: Hurricane Ida MikeCAdministrator   Mon Nov 09 2009 09:03 AM
. * * Re: Hurricane Ida MichaelA   Mon Nov 09 2009 12:08 PM
. * * Re: Hurricane Ida bammer   Mon Nov 09 2009 12:28 PM
. * * Re: Hurricane Ida TampaDon   Sun Nov 08 2009 11:34 AM
. * * Re: Hurricane Ida Rasvar   Fri Nov 06 2009 01:00 PM
. * * Re: Hurricane Ida tropicswatch   Sat Nov 07 2009 01:49 AM
. * * Re: Hurricane Ida MikeCAdministrator   Sat Nov 07 2009 10:18 AM
. * * Re: Hurricane Ida MichaelA   Fri Nov 06 2009 01:55 PM
. * * Re: Hurricane Ida Zosia   Fri Nov 06 2009 05:16 PM
. * * Re: Hurricane Ida Lamar-Plant City   Fri Nov 06 2009 06:37 PM
. * * Re: Hurricane Ida B.C.Francis   Fri Nov 06 2009 08:14 PM
. * * Re: Hurricane Ida Rob Moser   Fri Nov 06 2009 09:20 PM
. * * Re: Hurricane Ida CaneMan   Fri Nov 06 2009 07:14 PM
. * * Re: Hurricane Ida rgd   Fri Nov 06 2009 07:42 PM
. * * Re: Hurricane Ida MichaelA   Thu Nov 05 2009 05:23 PM
. * * Re: Hurricane Ida MikeCAdministrator   Fri Nov 06 2009 10:46 AM
. * * Re: Hurricane Ida Zosia   Fri Nov 06 2009 11:07 AM
. * * Re: Hurricane Ida Rasvar   Fri Nov 06 2009 11:12 AM
. * * Re: Hurricane Ida Upgraded Just Before Landfall TampaDon   Thu Nov 05 2009 12:22 PM
. * * Re: Ida Lounge, What will happen? WeatherNut   Wed Nov 04 2009 08:17 PM
. * * Re: Ida Lounge, What will happen? WeatherNut   Sun Nov 08 2009 04:47 PM
. * * Ida & Future Trek & Wind Shear berrywr   Thu Nov 05 2009 05:05 AM
. * * Ida's Tantalizing Trek CoconutCandy   Wed Nov 04 2009 10:17 PM
. * * Re: Ida Lounge, What will happen? MikeCAdministrator   Wed Nov 04 2009 06:34 PM
. * * Re: Ida Lounge, What will happen? WeatherNut   Wed Nov 04 2009 08:44 PM
. * * Re: Ida Lounge, What will happen? rgd   Wed Nov 04 2009 10:54 PM
. * * Re: Ida Lounge, What will happen? rgd   Wed Nov 04 2009 07:21 PM
. * * Re: 97 Lounge, What will happen? MichaelA   Wed Nov 04 2009 08:58 AM
. * * Re: 97 Lounge, What will happen? MichaelA   Wed Nov 04 2009 04:04 PM
. * * Re: 97 Lounge, What will happen? MikeCAdministrator   Wed Nov 04 2009 11:57 AM
. * * Re: 97 Lounge, What will happen? Marknole   Wed Nov 04 2009 12:41 PM
. * * Re: 97 Lounge, What will happen? Marknole   Mon Nov 09 2009 12:40 PM
. * * Re: 97 Lounge, What will happen? Ed in Va   Mon Nov 09 2009 05:00 PM

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