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OK Joe & Rob, check out the shortwave IR loop, there still may be a little hope. Let me know your thoughts. Have you seen the latest GFDL run? If that little scene comes to pass we may never get rid of Kyle and he will give Ginger a run for her money.(LOL don't you just love those sayings that you grew up with, looks even funnier when you write it) Hey Steve H. what are you putting in the water over there??? Toni |