LOL People its only august 5th the verde season does not even realy start till september, The signature in the pacific is the same its been for the past 3 years at this time wich is god only knows id like to call it nuetral. There is a build up of warmer then normal water in the central pacific but there is still a large la nina cold tongue streching out off equadore for a long ways. Granted the SOI is indicating that a possibly weak to moderate el nino is on the way it will not happen till late fall early winter possibly changing the outcome of 2005 but not for 2004 excpect a season much like 2000 - 2003 this year.