I really have not looked at it real close seen glimps of it been seeing alot of the basic model all hooking E.There is a guy over at S2K drops off about 11:00 pm CDT the 1/4 pages of the CMC his name is Montrealboy.Alot of people like to bash because of the old format but I think it deals with synoptic patterns better esp. talking troff's from the N.You might right be Tenavilla just seem to me I heard something abiut the steering happened lower probably wrong.I think one could just about stick a fork in NHC predictions on this one.Ivan as Phil said will go as he pleases right now.Got a feeling he makes the YUC gap.In the intermission break that we had went and looked at WV loop again.The ULL seems to of lately started the S track still pushing that ridge on Ivan.Once these two come to the same lat. that eastward swing part of the equation is over.