In regard to the remnats of Ivan, the strong thunderstorms that came to Long Island and the NJ area where more tropical warm front that anything else that I have seen. As the moisture hit the land, it "bombed", somehow it encouraged convection in the clouds. It looked like a hurricane was here, my front tree fell down and we had partial melted hail. Also the reason why it was a tropical warm front, the temps increased, as opposed to a thunderstorm thats the atmosphere cools because of latent heat
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