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>>blood, i wouldn't quite give it that. the surface obs show a closed low, banded convection.. but the min pressure is 1016-17mb and winds are only around 25kt. it's on the coast and going to move along the va coast into this evening.. waters go into the 70s, so it's pretty much out of an environment that can support a tropical system. so i agree with the NHC's calls on 94L. 1016-17 is higher than high pressure usually is so it was an anomaly for the environment anyway. Subtropical Depression (which was what I said, not tropical depression) seemed evident to me. I could be wrong, but it did have that STD look to it minus the cankers . Steve |