Ok, I finally realize why people look at these moe.fsu models.... For some reason, in IE, the animation doesn't load and until now, I've been trying to mentally place together frame by frame snapshots. However, it Netscape, it worked.... Question, who's model is the CMC (is it the Canadian model?)? And, is it just focusing on the new wave, or should I be seeing its predictions for TD 3 also? Reason I ask, is it doesn't seem to be doing much for TD 3 and that's my general thought (well, other than be a rain event.... which seems to disagree with everyone) because of the Yucatan....