Sorry to change subjects here, but I'm beginning to suspect that TD #9 is going to grow in intensity quite a bit if she stays on her present course. Check out the convection that is getting drawn up fron the ITCZ to her SW...impressive...and that is the bottom half of her "S" , and the convection to the NE is the top half. If shear drops off, you can imagine the system pulling together quite nicely within the very large envelope. She's running currently at about a 280 course. Not getting overly concerned, but we need to keep a careful eye on this. With Harvey fizzling, TD # 9 strengthening could pump the ridging that I already see building from the NE to SW between TD #9 and Harvey. Again not saying she will do anything down the road other than push the fishies, but the models are not doing too well with the overall pattern. Cheers!!