Try cleaning out your old cache and then looking at the various hours out. Remember also that some of the moderators and posters on here have access to data due to their professions that we lay-people do not. There is not a lot of data available to the general public without a fee. Now and then some one will publish something that they themselves purchased but they are not really supposed to. Any way, those models given at the end of the front page are considered to be experimental and are just a taste of the data used to actually determine the direction and intensity of these hurricanes. That is why the posters who know what is going on are very careful not to give out specific information as fact because it is not complete information.