| Thomas Giella |
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| Sat Jun 24 2006 03:49 PM |
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Florida Rainy Season & Drought
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The beginning of the Florida summer rainy season as defined by seabreeze/boundary collision induced thunderstorm activity began on June 16th, 2-3 weeks late.
Moved off-topic posts to new forum, changed title to better represent the discussion. --Clark
| bob3d |
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| Sat Jun 24 2006 04:22 PM |
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Re: Bahamas and 35N 50W
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At the risk of contradicting Mr. Giella, who is a respected retired meteorologist, the inland Florida west coast had seabreeze collision-induced thundershowers that began on May 28, with lines of thunderstorms on that day, June 1 and 2. The following week dry air intruded on the state, with the next week being dominated by TS Alberto. The seabreeze collision resumed on or about June 16 as stated, but has since been affected, reduced or eliminated by other factors (high pressure ridges, dry air, and the like). Thus, I submit that the 2006 Florida rainy season began precisely on time.
Sorry I don't have captured radar pictures to attach to prove this assertation.
| scottsvb |
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| Sat Jun 24 2006 04:30 PM |
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Re: Bahamas and 35N 50W
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agreed it began then but dry air has precluded the development......btw who is wishcasting anything from the weak low in the bahamas..I dont see anyone doing that over the last 24 hrs...
| ChessieStorm |
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| Sat Jun 24 2006 04:30 PM |
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Re: Bahamas and 35N 50W
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That's true, but the rainy season this year hasn't been like previoius rainy seasons (2002-2005) where we had almost daily thunderstorms and a lot rain.
This year we've had 2-3 days of true convective t-storms from boundary collisions (June 16-20 timeframe here). Since Wednesday most of the convection has been right on the coast and pushed out the to sea. Most of this occuring after sunset.
Our true setup of the summer rainy period is a southeast wind in the morning and the west coast sea breeze colliding with that in the early to mid afternoon firing off thunderstorms that could produce prodigious rainfall amounts. That, imo, hasn't really set up yet.
Personally I wish it would get going because I like the thunderstorms and the rain.
| Margie |
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| Sat Jun 24 2006 04:34 PM |
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Re: Bahamas and 35N 50W
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The discussion on drought and FL rainfall should probably be moved to another forum. Having said that, I'll add my own note: actually Florida is barely in a drought situation. Within the SE, much much more severe is the drought in areas that also happen to have many downed trees, wrecked by Katrina -- the MS Gulf Coast and SE LA. Drought conditions are monitored by CPC and they have a very telling "Drought Monitor" graphic on their home page. Things are so crispy crunchy there, that a downpour from a severe thunderstorm yesterday almost seemed to evaporate without any seeming effect on the ground at all.
| NewWatcher |
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| Sat Jun 24 2006 04:43 PM |
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Everything is subjective... Whether Florida is in a technical drought or not shouldnt be an argument. We, here in Volusia County are 592 out of 800 on the Keetch-Byram Drought Index. One can always find somewhere that is dryer or wetter but it doesnt take away from what we or anyone else experiences in their particular area. According to websters... Drought is:
1 : a period of dryness especially when prolonged that causes extensive damage to crops or prevents their successful growth
2 : a prolonged or chronic shortage or lack of something expected or desired
| Margie |
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| Sat Jun 24 2006 04:58 PM |
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Actually it is objective, and monitored very closely by CPC. A portion of the central part of the FL peninsula is only at the first of five succeedingly more severe drought conditions: D0, Abnormally dry. A portion of the panhandle next to AL is at D1, Moderate.
However SE LA and the MS coastline are at D3, Extreme. This is a much more devastating and serious level of drought.
| scottsvb |
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| Sat Jun 24 2006 05:01 PM |
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Re: florida
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Showers are starting to form near the center and pressure is down to 1010 mb.....I expect pressure to drop a couple more mb to 1007-1009mb by Sunday morning.... moisture is now availble and the upper low has moved to the SE of the system bringing a more marginal upperlevel pattern compared to just 12-24 hrs ago... So it still has a chance to be a TD as the wind fields are there..but just lacking enhanced convection...but maybe that will start changing now into tonight and winds will increase to near 25-30kt.
| Thomas Giella |
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| Sat Jun 24 2006 05:03 PM |
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Re: Bahamas and 35N 50W
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Hi Bob,
Yes I'm aware of the thunderstorms on May 28 and June 1-2. I did not count them though as they were induced by mid and upper level cold longwave troughing and attendant SE'ward propagating MCC's. The proper definition of the beginning of the Florida rainy season is seabreeze/boundary collision induced thunderstorms with surface to upper level high pressure ridging in the vicinity of or across the state.
As drought alleviating beneficial rainfall for Florida will probably occur in association TUTT/91L I don't see the brief drought/rainy season sub thread as off topic.
| Wxwatcher2 |
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| Sat Jun 24 2006 05:09 PM |
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Sure it's objective but what Pam was saying is that when you are in a drought, it's very real
to you and your plants, animals, and water table etc.
As a long time resident of Florida I can tell you that the past couple of years but especially
this year, we have not had normal weather patterns.
During the winter months, we didn't have the usual rain soaking fronts. At least not many of them.
Now that the weather is hot and humid, the rain has not happened either.
This is why we are rooting for the moisture from the Bahama's or the Gulf to come forth and
give us some rain.
I know to be careful what you wish or pray for but the SouthEast is very dry so are portions of th SW. US.
| Clark |
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| Sat Jun 24 2006 06:03 PM |
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Re: Bahamas and 35N 50W
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Specific to 91L, it's not off-topic, no...but the discussion had strayed from that to more general drought and to keep the main page discussion focus on the tropics, I decided to move the general discussion over to here. It's easier (and doesn't result in as many database problems) to do a simple dump of the thread than it is to pick and choose posts, so some that may be closer to on topic likely got lumped in here. My apologies if so.
| NewWatcher |
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| Sat Jun 24 2006 06:28 PM |
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Re: florida
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Quote:ah yes i had forgotten you are our resident spell checker, my apologies. However the rest in incorrect. We are below average for the whole year in rain and we need it. End of story.
Actually it is objective
| Storm Cooper |
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| Sat Jun 24 2006 06:36 PM |
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Re: florida
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http://www.fl-dof.com/fire_weather/KBDI/
| Unregistered User |
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| Sat Jun 24 2006 06:41 PM |
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Re: florida
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I doubt that 91L is going to bring any rain to either MS or LA, frankly (if we are trying to figure out what's relevant and what's not.)
Gainesville received about 3.7 inches of rain from Alberto, while parts of the Ocala National Forest, where there is a more severe drought received much less. Florida is a big state. Lumping it together in terms of how dry/not dry it is is not very precise or meaningful.
| Randrew |
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| Sun Jun 25 2006 03:10 AM |
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So, I'll post this here. Now that I found it. East coast of Martin County, FL now just over one tenth! So 91L is the big rainmaker!
I'll wait for the next one.
| ltpat228 |
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| Sun Jun 25 2006 04:48 AM |
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Re: Florida
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(PM oriented chat removed)
| Multi-Decadal Signal |
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| Wed May 16 2007 08:14 AM |
Re: Florida Rainy Season & Drought
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Quote:
The beginning of the Florida summer rainy season as defined by seabreeze/boundary collision induced thunderstorm activity began on June 16 2006, 2-3 weeks late.
The beginning of the Florida summer rainy season as defined by seabreeze/boundary collision induced thunderstorm activity began on 14 May; in my estimation, at least in southeastern FL, a week or two early this year.
| Multi-Decadal Signal |
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| Sat May 19 2007 10:49 AM |
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Re: Florida Rainy Season & Drought
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We joyfully recorded yet another TS day on Friday.
3 TS in last 5 days have materially raised the level of my lake.
On 2 of the days there were multiple storms and perhaps the rainy season will be, at the least, an average one. You must understand that this drought and 2001 drought were worst on record even though we received 40-45" of rain. The tri-county region gets ca. 55-60+" in normal years.
Forecast for coming week; isolated or scattered TS every day!
| TS2 |
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| Sat May 19 2007 01:26 PM |
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Re: Florida Rainy Season & Drought
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It has been as dry as a bone here in Central Florida and we were hoping Subtropical Storm Andrea would pass over Florida and give us some rain and not to mention put out some of them wildfires.
Although she let us down it is not the end of the world as Hurricane Season come ever closer there is still hope.
| Multi-Decadal Signal |
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| Thu May 24 2007 01:47 PM |
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Re: Florida Rainy Season & Drought
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Quote:
The beginning of the Florida summer rainy season as defined by seabreeze/boundary collision induced thunderstorm activity began on 14 May; in my estimation, at least in southeastern FL, a week or two early this year.
I've gotta' crow! I nailed it...
On Monday, 21May07 Miami WB announced that our rainy season commenced on 14 May, a week early.
It's official, South Florida! The rainy season is finally here
By Ken Kaye
Sun-Sentinel.com
Posted May 21 2007,
The rainy season has officially started, the National Weather Service in Miami declared Monday.
Actually, it began on May 14, when there was enough instability in the atmosphere to create rainstorms most afternoons, said meteorologist Robert Molleda.
http://tinyurl.com/3bcpon
| xxflcyclonexx |
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| Wed May 30 2007 02:17 AM |
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Re: Memorial Day Weekend Area to Watch
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I've got this link bookmarked now http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/PS/FIRE/fires-fl-ir4-loop.html It's a color-enhanced satellite loop for just Florida. High quality. If something does spin up out of this, or anythng else comes our way this season, I'll be checking it out regularly.
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| LisaC |
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| Fri Jun 01 2007 12:57 PM |
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Re: Memorial Day Weekend Area to Watch
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Where's the rain, i see clouds, lots of clouds since saturday but no rain over the western part of broward county?
| ltpat228 |
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| Fri Jun 01 2007 04:29 PM |
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Re: Florida Rainy Season & Drought
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Wow, some one resurrected this thread from a year ago???
Any ways, rather than placing my comments on the main page as I feel that area is for crucial and vital information...all I simply will say is that it is now raining where I live on the east coast in St. Lucie County, FL. I am 2 counties above Palm Beach County and the sky appears to be offering a slow yet steady rain fall.
I am very grateful as we really need the rain and, our County is adjacently east to Lake Okeechobee.
| GuppieGrouper |
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| Thu Jun 07 2007 11:42 AM |
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Re: Florida Rainy Season & Drought
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We had copious amounts of rain over night in Lakeland. Everytime I thought the rain was over, it would start again. I am doing the happy dance, since my plants were almost gone. They seem to be coming back and I almost have grass again. I will not resent lawn mowing this season after that drought was so strong. Bring on the mower and bring on the gas prices as long as we got rain, we got hope!