cieldumort
(Moderator)
Tue Aug 15 2017 09:59 AM
TEN Lounge



A distinct second area of low pressure also associated with the broad monsoon trof that 91L has been tangled up in, is now being tracked by NHC. This Low has been tagged Invest 92L.

92L's odds of development in the near term are marginal, but increasingly favorable beyond 48 hours, with some models' runs outright bullish. Movement is forecast to be to the west, or west-northwest.

This is where to place best guesses on this wave's development potential. The sharing of medium to long range model output is also encouraged here.


Aug 27 4:30PM EDT Edit: 92L has become TEN and the title has been updated. NHC Advisories coming.
-Ciel


MikeCAdministrator
(Admin)
Thu Aug 17 2017 02:44 PM
Re: 92L Lounge

I won't be back in full action until next week, but this one has me a bit more concerned than the others for a US impact based on model trends, and the HWRF scenario. It'll be interesting to watch over the next week, euro keeps it weak, but I think its under doing it near the Bahamas.

Prospero
(Storm Tracker)
Thu Aug 17 2017 09:22 PM
Re: 92L Lounge

FLhurricane.com has a lot of viewers like me, yet who do not post as much as I do, that look here for the latest info. In fact, I have sent many people here over the past 13 years and we all discuss what we see here when we talk about future possibilities.

That said, in Florida we are watching the plots of 92L which appear to be in agreement at this point that there is a possibility of something coming to visit. But without the experienced and professional members of these forums posting, we who are not professionals can only guess at what kind of time frames we are seeing and whether or not something may be in our future.

I know we are some time out (a week or so?), but even some discussion gives us a bit to work with. Granted, the discussions we have outside of this website might be just a topic over dinner with family, or a few beers with friends, but right now we are turning to other sources for the most current info when FLhurricane.com has always been the most up-to-date and accurate. I was surprised at the WeatherUnderground information on Weather Channel last night when I thought I was in the know on FLhurricane.

We miss Ed, but let's keep this going for him if nothing else.

I pay monthly for weather apps; RadarScope, SailFlow, and other storm geek services. Plus I have my own weather station and live streaming weather cams. I would pay for or support FLhurricane to be a bit more active.

Would be a sad day to see it go away...especially for we who live in Florida.


cieldumort
(Moderator)
Fri Aug 18 2017 12:47 AM
Re: 92L Lounge

Going to go deep into "Lounge talk" on 92L here. Take all of this with a few thousand pound grains of salt. We are still a long way off from potential US impacts from 92L.

It appears likely that 92L may already be a small tropical cyclone tonight, or at the very least, right on the cusp. The operative word is small, and this could have big implications going forward.

As discussed on Weather Underground's WUTV (Weather Channel), a possible shear monster lies in wait for 92L ahead, not to mention, robust pockets of dry air. However, models in aggregate suggest that 92L will travel within enough of a protective envelope to fend off the worst of it.. which would be more believable if 92L wasn't a small cyclone.

The track ahead for 92L into the Bahamas assumes that the system will weaken, at least some, and perhaps to the point of dissipation (though by no means the most likely scenario), or stay weak. This is potentially more unsettling than not. A tenacious system such as 92L has been, to then become a small TC, weaken - or even devolve back to an open wave, but doing so much closer to Florida - is never a good thing.

Over the next 48 hours, there is a window for 92L to not only gain size, but also intensity, and with any luck it may begin to feel the pull of the ULL to its northwest and gain enough latitude that it has a chance to recurve. (IMHO, the odds of this are under 15%, but far from zero).

However, other more likely scenarios are very troubling:
- Small TC with potential for rapid changes in intensity is kept or made weak enough that it in fact tracks into or near the Bahamas, but primarily not over land, and poses a real risk to Florida and possibly the Gulf states later next week (IMHO, 35% odds).

- Becomes larger in size and resists rapid weakening, but never strong enough to recurve. A mid-size strong tropical storm or hurricane, strengthening, as it rakes the Greater Antilles or nearly does so, and possibly still on its way to Florida and/or the Gulf (IMHO 25% odds)

Other scenarios exist and have some model, or at least ensemble member support, but as my own personal opinion goes, the rest all share what is left of the remaining 25% of the pie, and at this time do not seem plausible enough to give lounge time to. One of those of course is complete dissipation.. which is indeed supported by some models' runs.

Here's a breakdown of the Aug 18th 0z runs, so far

CMC
(You may have read elsewhere why I am giving CMC more attention this year for systems that have good TC DNA)
Sends a deepening and mid-size hurricane across the Bahamas and then has it perform a Fujiwhara loop and then runs up the eastern seaboard, induced by the passing of a well-developed mid-size hurricane (93L) to its northeast... This assumes a lot. Maybe too much. While very plausible that 92L becomes a deepening and larger tropical cyclone over the Bahamas around the 25th of August, it is far from clear if (93L?) will even develop nearly that much, let alone at all.

GFS
Poorly initialized. This 'new and improved' GFS has, imho, been less than stellar this season. The 18 0z run fails to even recognize that 92L is now very possibly a tropical cyclone, or will soon be. Keeps 92L as a weak wave and washes it out entirely before whatever is left of it crosses Florida as an afternoon shower. - I would call this a FAIL run.

More analysis of the models' analysis to come..

GFS Ensemble Members
There is zero model support from even a single GFS ensemble member for anything more than 92L becoming a TD at this point. ALL wash it out in the face of dry air and shear. Again, it does appear that there is a bias for poor initialization, but even among members who handle 92L's current state better - 100% wash it out.

ECMWF
Euro, like the GFS, never really develops 92L at all, and also washes it out into a passing rain shower over Florida later next week. So, being that GFS and Euro are in lockstep on this solution, maybe there really is something to that. On the other hand, they were both very muted on 91L until recon flew in. Now the Euro has 91L (Harvey) heading to Tx as a seriously deepening Hur.

ECMWF Ensemble
Suggests 92L may try to redevelop in the northern Gulf

More model analysis to come...

HWRF
After briefly allowing for 92L to be a strong TD or low-end storm over the course of the past twelve hours (good initialization), the HWRF then weakens it and primarily keeps it as a very sloppy TD, or open wave, though frisky at times, up until the Bahamas. Only over the Bahamas does it start to slowly reorganize - perhaps a low-end TS upon hitting the Straits of Florida.

HMON (GFDL's replacement)
Like HWRF, allows for 92L to have been a TD/TS for the past twelve hours or so, and like the HWRF, then weakens it - but generally even more so, and never brings it back. Open wave, then death.

NAVGEM
The Navy initializes 92L as a sloppy wave at best, and sends most of the wave, or its remnants, to Florida for a shower or two. Apparently a piece of 92L breaks away to merge with (93L?) and cranks that up (mostly 93L at that point) well offshore of Florida.

UKMET
Initializes and keeps 92L as an open wave. Crosses Florida by late next week as a very weak wave, but suggests development is possible in the Gulf.


In summary, not a lot of model support for 92L to develop at all from the 18/0z runs. What is consistent, is a path towards Florida, which is why, given the wave's DNA, means it must continue to be watched. Should 92L find itself, even briefly, in a favorable environment if and once closer to the state, it could quickly organize (or further ramp up - depending on its state) and pose a threat.



JMII
(Weather Master)
Fri Aug 18 2017 11:01 AM
Re: 92L Lounge

A lot of "ifs" here with 92L. Given its small size, high shear ahead and some dry air its going to have to fight to stay alive. Its clearly on the pay attention to list but we got awhile before we get any good data for it.

cieldumort
(Moderator)
Fri Aug 18 2017 11:30 AM
Re: 92L Lounge

Newer site users or newer residents of Florida may wonder why some 'old timers' are seeming to get a little worked up over 92L. Well, there is some history involved, and it can be summed up easily in one image and some advisory text. Cr. Bryan Norcross @TWCBryan
" target="_blank">Bryan Norcross Twitter


Below: Aug 18, 1992 Tropical Storm Andrew



As noted in several replies above, it is still much too soon to begin placing bets on 92L's future track and intensity. However, 92L falls in the location/intensity/forecast track/time of year box that for residents of Florida means keep watch, and keep watch closely.


JMII
(Weather Master)
Fri Aug 18 2017 12:19 PM
Re: 92L Lounge

Not to cause alarm but this caught my attention this AM... another Andrew tie in: Eclipse 'Cane!
https://www.usatoday.com/story/weather/2...-sun/579047001/
the alignment is actually more on the next wave and not 92L - but it is a super rare, odd pairing for sure.

Andrew was weak as it moved N, then entered the Bahamas, cranked up and made a bee line due west for Homestead. It also stayed small (compact) the whole time. In retrospect this behavior is the opposite of what normally occurs: weaker storms tend to head west, then as they gain strength they get pulled north.

One of the great things about the NHC is how consistent their communication and formatting is. Here we are 25 years later and that old message still holds up.


doug
(Weather Analyst)
Fri Aug 18 2017 02:05 PM
Re: 92L Lounge

Since we are on a forecast lounge and speculation is expected, I see 92L this way based on current sat. representations (see the WV loop). It is highly possible that the current low level circulation that exists in 92L could be inhibited by a very vigorous ULL that seems to be digging down into the circulation around the low.. it is also possible that 92L could slide westward beneath this upper low. In short, the future of this system should be clearer in the next day or so and seems to be dependent on its interaction with that ULL. Should it survive that then a more real threat will exist. I think this is the factor that has kept the two more "reliable" models cautious on this system...

Bev
(Weather Guru)
Fri Aug 18 2017 11:42 PM
Re: 92L Lounge

Quote:

Going to go deep into "Lounge talk" on 92L here. Take all of this with a few thousand pound grains of salt. We are still a long way off from potential US impacts from 92L....




Wonderful information, thank you!


doug
(Weather Analyst)
Sat Aug 19 2017 07:32 AM
Re: 92L Lounge

92L continues to be affected by upper lows. The one to its NW is infusing dry air into its circulation and causing some shear. This system is moving westward and its influence on the tropical low may continue for several days. The NHC has lowered the expectations for development to 40% or by a third this morning. It must still be monitored closely however.

Prospero
(Storm Tracker)
Sat Aug 19 2017 09:00 PM
Re: 92L Lounge

Thanks for the latest participation everybody!

So it's getting beat up a bit, but not done yet. The sats show the damage, but it doesn't seem to be destroyed yet, Yes we want it to go away, right?

OK, I'm the inappropriate one who loves a storm. Yes, please no harm, no damage, no financial cost, but outside of that, I love a beautiful spinning tropical storm and every wave I see I wish it would become an sight to behold. (Disclaimer: until it affects somebody.)

I was born to be a meteorologist, even at 7 or 8 years old in Colorado Springs I was predicting hail storms and blizzards. I would be outside staring at the sky examining every cloud, and breeze. And that started as young as 4 or so. Why I didn't pursue that path, I don't know. But I started fixing things (anything that had moving parts) as a kid and ended up fixing machines and in I.T. since 1978. Now mostly web programming these days.

Maybe since I am not a professional meteorologist I can freely "wishcast" and fantasize about being Jim Cantori in the upper right quadrant of the eye wall of a Cat 2 or 3 storm, clinging onto anything that keep me from flying away...



Yea, I know, sick, but I bet none of us would on this website if we didn't have a "little" bit of that in us!

Anyway, thanks again and let's keep this site as the best.


Robert
(Weather Analyst)
Sun Aug 20 2017 03:09 AM
Re: 92L Lounge

All good info, love the pic of Andrew, not many around from then, even so that picture shows a more robust system with system in carribean barely a wave, not saying this wont move a abit wind but when i expect a category five i like to a see a definitive storm hitting bad shear and coming through the other side north of purto rico.
How ever i noticed some long range out put like cmc, navg gem, gfs, showing a stall and then caught and pullled out before being blocked and possibly heading north north west toward new enlgland, or newfoundland.
Also harvey is suffering, the major that was supposed to be going off in the gulf same day 92L comes ashore, i just dont see both ocupying the same space.
Also apears a trough over the south east may prevent 92L from getting into the gulf, so rain tuesday with northeast winds 20-30knts, maybe gusts to 35knts.
Wednesday southwest or west depending where you are.
Then it pulls out Wednesday night and deepens gets trapped turns north and threatening land north.


doug
(Weather Analyst)
Sun Aug 20 2017 07:08 AM
Re: 92L Lounge

92L has escaped the tyranny of the ULL and a small anit-cyclonic flow is allowing some evacuation on its northern quadrant. The issue now is the dry environment that surrounds the system. A small channel of tropical moisture is being drawn up from the SE but that environment is not plentiful. This is why the NHC keeps a 20% chance of development. The system will be in a better environment in a couple of days

ljmax
(Registered User)
Sun Aug 20 2017 07:20 AM
Re: 92L Lounge

I haven't posted in a few years but this thread got my attention. I was living in South Florida when Andrew came roaring through. I was living at the Dade Broward County Line and the highest winds we saw were a steady 125 - 130mph with gusts above 155mph. The power was lost about an hour after Andrew hit so the entire night was for the most part powerless. I didn't sleep and was listening to my battery powered radio. The DJ said The Miami Hurricane Center had to be evacuated and initial reports coming in said Homestead was gone.

I was a F&I Manager for a large car dealership located near the county line and drove to check it out in the morning. There were 3 large plate glass windows shattered in the showroom and the entire detail area out back was destroyed. There was no power and we did not open however the next day we did. If you can believe it a guy came in and bought a Mitsubishi 3000GT. I told the owner something was not right with us being open and 25 miles south of us people lost there homes and were in dire straits. He told me he was already on it and that he had sent two tractor trailers loaded with supplies to the general Kendall and Homestead area. I sincerely hope this current storm is not another Andrew waiting to happen.


doug
(Weather Analyst)
Mon Aug 21 2017 09:34 AM
Re: 92L Lounge

IMO the ubiquitous dry air surrounding what remains of the low will prevent any thing of consequence with this system...pure opinion not a prediction.

JMII
(Weather Master)
Mon Aug 21 2017 10:05 AM
Re: 92L Lounge

92L is a mess this AM, doubt anything will come of it based on its current appearance and surrounding environmental conditions.

Prospero
(Storm Tracker)
Mon Aug 21 2017 10:09 AM
Re: 92L Lounge

Well if it does come together, there won't be a lot of time for people to prepare if they haven't been paying attention.

What is there is starting to show up on the Gulf of Mexico sats already.


cieldumort
(Moderator)
Mon Aug 21 2017 10:31 AM
Re: 92L Lounge

Several days ago 92L had what looked like a well defined low level circulation embedded within deep convection. This lasted for roughly 12 hours or so, with a little on-and-off shortly thereafter. During this entire time the system was missed by Scatterometer passes, and not sampled by recon, so we may never know if 92L was another short-lived storm. But the point worth making here is that the system has had a little more going for it than a garden variety wave.

This morning, Aug 21, it's not looking as healthy as yesterday. Maybe it's being eclipsed by the prospect of Harvey regenerating and becoming a hurricane in the Gulf, or maybe it's other skyward news of the day, and models may have backed off some, once again, on 92L's prospects. For the time being, at least.

I don't mean to throw too much shade on 92. The wave actually does have at least two persistent areas of mild low to mid level rotation associated with it *cough* sloppy *cough*, and conditions may become favorable 'just enough' for one of these (possibly even two eventually, however unlikely that is), to spin up into something more. But an Andrew over Florida, or anything close to that - probably not. Though this time of year, never say never.

Below: Potential most favorable areas for one or more of 92L's vorts to become a tropical or subtropical cyclone within 5 days (40% per NHC at 8AM this morning). Possibly subtropical-ish as later in the week 92L may interact with a non-tropical system sweeping offshore.


Image below: Last night's (0z) ECMWF run valid for tonight 22/0z at 850 hPa. This looks like it might be a little off, especially with regards to Harvey's development, but close enough to what we should see, to evaluate a few things. 1) 92L and Harvey might interact a little.. Impacts, if any on 92L's potential, still too early to say, and 2) Blocking highs to 92L's north will likely continue to guide the disturbance/s west or west-northwest for at least a few more days.


weatherhead
(Verified CFHC User)
Mon Aug 21 2017 02:20 PM
Re: 92L Lounge

Thanks everyone for keeping us up to date on the latest information and opinions.
I remember getting information and opinions on this site in 2004 (Francis Jeanne) well before the news had the latest information. It helped. Thanks again. Keep it coming with future storms.

I also wanted to give my two cents, even though it's probably worth half that.
There appears to be a very small L East of Grand Turk. Unless my eyes area deceiving me, looking at the latest loop of the RGB appears to be at the surface and not moving much at all.


cosmicstorm
(Registered User)
Mon Aug 21 2017 05:41 PM
Re: 92L Lounge

I just wanted to say I enjoy this discussion board so much and although I do not have the skill level to contribute I learn a lot from all of you. Thank you so much for your time and efforts to keep this going.

Prospero
(Storm Tracker)
Mon Aug 21 2017 07:17 PM
Re: 92L Lounge

Just made my first donation, kind of embarrassed to put that out there, but I am sure I am not alone.

Also the first time I read the "donate" page which has more information than I expected:

Site_Donations_and_Thanks

Looks like 2017 has been pretty slim for donations. Like a lot of people who enjoy this forum, I came in during the Charlie, Frances, Jeanne period of 2004. That was a good year for donations I see!

Let's not wait until another crazy hurricane year like 2004 to support this very important forum!

OK, remember Frances? The screenshot below was at the moment we were feeling the strongest effects in Sun City Center where I lived on September 5th, 2004.



Look how large she was? I forgot! What a giant!

Now as I look at what is left of 92L I think I better go water the plants in my backyard...




Prospero
(Storm Tracker)
Mon Aug 21 2017 08:31 PM
Re: 92L Lounge

Tropical Weather Outlook
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL
800 PM EDT Mon Aug 21 2017

Quote:

Only slow development of this system is anticipated during the next several days while it moves west-northwestward across the Bahamas and then turns northwestward or northward near Florida and the adjacent waters.




My question is:

This system is not very far from Florida now. I've been watching the sats and it sure appears to be moving at a somewhat respectable speed. Or at least the front part of it. So where do these "next several days" manifest into the forecast? On a typical day I'd watch thunderstorms on the satellites move from where 92L seems to be now and watch them cross Florida within a day, sometimes in a single afternoon.

The NWS 8:00 pm statement has no reference to how fast this is moving. I must guess it is moving very slow. Right?


cieldumort
(Moderator)
Tue Aug 22 2017 09:47 AM
Re: 92L Lounge

Quote:

My question is:

This system is not very far from Florida now. I've been watching the sats and it sure appears to be moving at a somewhat respectable speed. Or at least the front part of it. So where do these "next several days" manifest into the forecast? On a typical day I'd watch thunderstorms on the satellites move from where 92L seems to be now and watch them cross Florida within a day, sometimes in a single afternoon.

The NWS 8:00 pm statement has no reference to how fast this is moving. I must guess it is moving very slow. Right?




It looks like regardless of development (just lowered by NHC, again), 92L or whatever it becomes stays trapped a few days below high pressure to its north, but trapped while still offshore of the southeastern US. Good and bad, there. On the one hand, models suggest it stays offshore, on the other, you have a weak tropical trof drifting about over very warm waters.

That said, winds in the near term are hideously unfavorable for development (again), due to nearby upper level lows and outflow from "Harvey." So, any tropical cyclogensis that may yet occur would probably get delayed for another (another) couple of days, and by that time a long wave sweeping off the southeast coast would probably scoop up and maybe merge with whatever it is that still exists or has come of 92L.

There's a small chance that 92L slides further west than expected, but in doing so it would probably get blasted by high shear for even longer, and could also be disrupted by land interaction.

In summary, 92L tracks west = lower odds of development. Hangs offshore of the southeast = best chance may be Fri/Sat, and then up the east coast or out to sea.


doug
(Weather Analyst)
Tue Aug 22 2017 09:50 AM
Re: 92L Lounge

My personal assessment of this system this morning is that the focal point of energy is near 28N and 78.5W and it seems to be moving northward with limited convection. It seems to be responding to fringes of the flow around the trough to its north. The energy that has been trailing south and southeastward the focal point is now being interdicted by the outflow from former Harvey and is likely to dissipate. It would be very surprising to me if this system actually regenerates as it is relatively weak in the context of the other systems influencing it.

doug
(Weather Analyst)
Wed Aug 23 2017 09:58 AM
Re: 92L Lounge

Another episode of my commentary on this ill-defined system. NRL-Monterey has listed the focal point of the system to be 25.8 N -81.6W and a satellite review confirms that location is just northwest of Florida Bay and that there is little visible evidence of a point of low pressure being there. There is visible evidence of some circulation at the northern extreme of the wave just north of the coordinates I posted yesterday in the Atlantic which is gathering some convection. The short story here is that the system is ill defined indeed. But it is still worrisome. If in fact there is some point of lower pressure where NRL has located it that is cause for some concern as that is over the GOM and as Harvey continues to develop and move away, the shear over that area will decrease considerably and convection east of that point has increased markedly since yesterday. so we must still be vigilant regarding this system.

doug
(Weather Analyst)
Thu Aug 24 2017 08:43 AM
Re: 92L Lounge

Not much to see here. This will not be another Emily. Any development in the GOM at this time is interdicted by the outflow from Harvey causing shear in the TStorms that are prevalent near the location of the low. I was able to visually see them off shore this morning and observe the blow off of the upper levels in the direction of the high level winds from the NW over them. This is confirmed in the latest RGB in which the blow off to the south and east is visible.

doug
(Weather Analyst)
Fri Aug 25 2017 08:59 AM
Re: 92L Lounge

As expected with the consolidation of Harvey and its movement to the NW the shear from its outflow has decreased over the low in the SE GOM adjacent to the SW Florida coast. Signs of this began to appear yesterday as a vigorous line of thunderstorms moved off the coast between Charlotte Harbor and the mouth of Tampa Bay and continued this morning as T Storms in the GOM increased and a consistent drizzly rain has begun to fall from the dense overcast, each of which demonstrates an increase in instability in the atmosphere surrounding the low.
I am intrigued with the NHC's inclusion of "subtropical development" and its increase in the % of actual development. The WV this morning demonstrates that a trough has pushed down the peninsula to just north of I-4 corridor, which in my opinion is why there is more energy surrounding the system and increasing TStorms over the GOM. A similar dynamic developed as Charley moved into this area as a Cat 1 but exploded into a cat 5 in a matter of hours. What was interesting then was as the low deepened over the GOM the NW quadrant of the storm dried up as it moved inland. The center of the storm passed within 25 miles East of my house but we had virtually no rain and diminished winds. All of this is to illustrate that subtropical development could result intensification quickly in this system and not effect intensity but would alter its structure.
Today is a very important day in the future of this system and its effect on mainland US...Will it continue to show organization? Will it continue to develop in place; or, will it begin to move NE along the periphery of the trough and into the ATL as predicted.? Either way a wet couple of days will occur in Southern Florida.


JMII
(Weather Master)
Fri Aug 25 2017 12:04 PM
Re: 92L Lounge

92L has got to clear the land mass of FL before anything tropical is going to happen. It looks like its getting blasted by the outflow from Harvey and can't see how it can get its act together under these shearing conditions until Harvey moves well west and 92L gets NE. A front just pushed off NC coast so maybe 92L can sneak under that? Once again an up hill battle here... but we've seen this silly thing just will not go away. Currently bands of rain training from the SW to the NE here in south Florida.

doug
(Weather Analyst)
Fri Aug 25 2017 12:17 PM
Re: 92L Lounge

Based on RGB now the low is traversing the state moving ENE away from Charlotte Harbor area toward approximately Vero on the east coast.

Prospero
(Storm Tracker)
Fri Aug 25 2017 07:05 PM
Re: 92L Lounge

It appears 92L is just to the east of us in Pinellas County. There is a "band" of storms moving south towards us right now. That is not a typical situation and I am hoping the storms stay in tact till they get here.



Here in Gulfport, we need the rain. For some reason, no matter how much it rains in St. Pete or Pinellas Park, the rain parts over Gulfport as if Moses was praying for a drought in just our backyard.


Prospero
(Storm Tracker)
Fri Aug 25 2017 09:57 PM
Re: 92L Lounge

Nary a drop in Gulfport tonight so far. 92L so close, yet so far away...

Harvey is respectable, no doubt, and in the morning we'll see the surge and any wind damage in a narrow path. But this old storm geek is bored after all the hype and going to sleep.


MikeCAdministrator
(Admin)
Sat Aug 26 2017 12:12 PM
Re: 92L Lounge

GFS still tries to make something of this before landfall or near miss near Wilmington, NC on Tuesday, although there is no rain over central Florida, most of it is in South Florida or offshore of Naples currently.

Canadian and NAM is the only one forecasting significant strengthening.


Bev
(Weather Guru)
Sat Aug 26 2017 10:50 PM
Re: 92L Lounge

92L is looking awfully healthy from my perspective here in Port Charlotte. The Peace River at Arcadia went up 7 inches in one day, the most I've ever personally seen it move. The models have forecast it to move NE for days now, but that hasn't started happening yet. Any thoughts?

cieldumort
(Moderator)
Sun Aug 27 2017 03:14 PM
Re: 92L Lounge

92L may or may not soon merge with a front, but will contribute to inclement weather along the east coast, regardless. Near-term, 92L looks more tropical than sub-tropical, despite its close proximity to the front.

It is possible that a coming merger or just ongoing symbiotic interaction could serve to result in a developing strong cyclone that rides northeast - mostly just offshore, though possibly impacting the Carolinas hard or a brief period of time while on a likely track up into or passing Nova Scotia. The combined or interacting system may become a meteorological bomb off the northeast at some point, but hopefully while well enough away from New England.



MikeCAdministrator
(Admin)
Sun Aug 27 2017 03:21 PM
Re: 92L Lounge

Recon's heading to 92L

Prospero
(Storm Tracker)
Sun Aug 27 2017 08:45 PM
Re: 92L Lounge

92L, or now Potential Tropical Cyclone Ten (correct?), has been dancing around Florida a few days. We've finally had a little rain in Gulfport, and looks like a little more may come.

But I keep seeing circulation that I always think is the 92L system, but it appears I am wrong. So what is this spinning radar stuff I keep seeing that is so many miles away from what is now Potential Tropical Cyclone Ten??




Is this an entirely different system of just a "spin off" from the one we've been watching?


Bev
(Weather Guru)
Mon Aug 28 2017 06:49 AM
Re: 92L Lounge

Excellent capture Prospero, you and I are watching the same thing. There's definitely a counterclockwise rotation of the storms over us from Tampa south to Ft. Myers. Watching GRLevelX, I can see the different movement of individual storm cells. They're all moving in different directions, which is unusual. Windy reflects that pattern. The GOES floaters also show very healthy bursts of convection over and just SE of our location, for days now.

https://www.windy.com/?27.744,-82.282,8


doug
(Weather Analyst)
Mon Aug 28 2017 10:55 AM
Re: 92L Lounge

if you look back on my posts on 8/22 and 8/23 there were two areas of circulation along the 92L wave...between the 23d and this weekend the one nearest the peninsula and the west coast drew most of the attention. Meanwhile the one to the NE is the one that has met up with the favorable conditions to develop first. The one along the west coast of Florida drew up moisture left behind from Harvey, but has been interdicted by Harvey first and then a trough to its north and not been able to develop a structure. I am still suspicious of this very wet system which has caused dangerous flooding in Manatee and Sarasota Counties these past two days and also drenched Lee and Collier earlier last week. My hope is that as Ten develops it will draw this weather away in the trailing trough that it will pull across Florida and into the ATL in a couple of days. One thing for sure, in terms of tropical development this has been a very interesting week.

Lamar-Plant City
(Storm Tracker)
Mon Aug 28 2017 11:04 AM
Re: 92L Lounge

At this point in the morning, a lot of that circular motion seems to be going away over central Florida and a southwest to northeast banding pattern emerging as the depression begins to drag the energy off to the northeast. Seeing lines of rain/storms now on the radar. I know what you mean about the past couple of days and I believe that was because the low pressure area was stretched across the state like a dumbbell.


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