Ed DunhamAdministrator
(Former Meteorologist & CFHC Forum Moderator (Ed Passed Away on May 14, 2017))
Wed Mar 09 2005 11:55 PM
Not Much Change

The Atlantic Tropical Basin looks pretty much like it should for this time of year with a few subtle differences from last March. The ITCZ is rather zonal this year and extends across the entire basin at about 5N. Last year the ITCZ had more of a west southwesterly dip to it and nudged into the Southern Hemisphere as it approached South America.

ENSO neutral conditions are expected for the entire upcoming season with the Atlantic expected to be slightly warmer than normal from 10N to 30N by August - which would generally favor an active season.

Ridging persists through the entire Caribbean Sea - again a little different from last year when it was a bit more prone to storm activity. The Caribbean Sea is about the only location in the basin with very little shear thanks to a firm high pressure pattern.

Still a bit too early to nail down any specifics, however, the current pattern would likely forestall any development for about the next three months, i.e., any chance for an early season storm would not be very likely. Even a June storm seems uncertain at the moment - but we'll keep an eye on the basin - just in case something changes.
Cheers,
ED

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Storm Cooper
(User)
Thu Mar 10 2005 01:18 AM
Re: Not Much Change

Great and useful insight Ed! The much needed rest is almost over...maybe. Although a little jumpy, Florida hopefully will be ready for what may come this time...as well as all along the US coast.

Unregistered User
(Unregistered)
Thu Mar 10 2005 05:00 PM
Re: EPAC Disturbance

Yep, there sure is one today, south of Panama.

I hear what Ed says, but, I think we may pop an early depression or storm..May/June timeframe, no science, just a gut feeling...

MM


LI Phil
(User)
Sun Mar 13 2005 06:52 PM
Re: EPAC Disturbance

Quote:

Yep, there sure is one today, south of Panama.

I hear what Ed says, but, I think we may pop an early depression or storm..May/June timeframe, no science, just a gut feeling...

MM




I'll tend to side with the esteemed Mr. Dunham, but MM raises an interesting point...remember Ana "popped" in April of aught-three...

Perhaps ED may want to start up the "first storm of the season" thread in the Storm Forum...I was OH SO CLOSE last year (picked 6/15) yet Mr. Dunham held firm with his 7/31 call and we got Alex on 8/1. Then TSFH reigned down fire and brimstone and reminded everyone, but especially Floridians, that we must always be extremely careful what we wish for...

Here's to a season of weak landfallers and strong fishspinners! BTW, I've got a whole new crow cookbook and I'm anxious to try out the recipes!

Cheers,

LI Phil


Unregistered User
(Unregistered)
Thu Mar 17 2005 01:15 PM
Re: Not Much Change

Hey Ed, I'm trying to remember if the Eastern Seaboard had such deep troughing as it had this time last year. I really can't remember. Fear here in Florida and points west is that strong ridging will replace the trough in the SW Atlantic this summer. Was last years pattern similar? Still waiting for shingles in Palm Bay.

Unregistered User
(Unregistered)
Thu Mar 17 2005 05:41 PM
Off S. America

Way too early, way to low latitude..interesting nonetheless.

http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/PS/TROP/DATA/RT/EATL/IR4/20.jpg

If you don't look today, you won't see it..ITCZ disturbance.

MM


Beaujolais
(Verified CFHC User)
Thu Mar 17 2005 06:48 PM
Re: Off S. America

Looks very interesting indeed. What a flare-up of thunderstorms!!

javlin
(Weather Master)
Fri Mar 18 2005 02:59 AM
Re:SST's 3.4 Nino

Looks like for the time being SSt's in the Pacific seem to be falling.Also read that with an active season in Australia usually means an active Atlantic the following summer.Thus far it is a little above normal there in th Downunder.You can see how the SST's climded in the vincity where Ingrid was for awhile.
http://www.cdc.noaa.gov/map/clim/sst_olr/sst_anim.shtml


javlin
(Weather Master)
Fri Mar 18 2005 03:08 AM
Re: Not Much Change

Yea Steve I might be wrong her and maybe Ed could point me in right area for research but that when it snowed here along the coast the GOM was alittle more active.This here we got snow and sleet on Christmas day first itme in fifty years this has happened on Christmas day.Ed any ideas where I can find some perciptation charts for a given area?

Cycloneye11
(Weather Hobbyist)
Mon Mar 21 2005 10:25 PM
Re: Not Much Change

Great to be back at this great forum.I am Cycloneye but I have a new PC and started all over again now with the 11 which is my birthday number date.ED I am ready to begin the discussions about the 2005 season which looks to be another active one.

I have as preliminary numbers 12/7/3


LI Phil
(User)
Tue Mar 22 2005 03:42 AM
Re: Not Much Change

Hey Luis

cómo sea yendo?

Good to see you back here...


Cycloneye11
(Weather Hobbyist)
Tue Mar 22 2005 10:59 AM
Re: Not Much Change

Hey Phil great to see you too.Yo estoy bien.Ready for the 2005 season.

danielwAdministrator
(Moderator)
Wed Mar 23 2005 01:45 AM
Re:Dr Gray's 2005 Forecast scheduled for Friday release

I don't remember seeing it posted yet. So I'll put a quick reminder up here.
Dr Gray is scheduled to release his April forecast fot the 2005 Hurricane Season, on Friday Morning. I'm sure the networks will give some coverage to this. Since he's releasing it at the National Hurricane Conference in New Orleans.


Beaujolais
(Verified CFHC User)
Wed Mar 23 2005 01:39 PM
Re:Dr Gray's 2005 Forecast scheduled for Friday release

I live close to New Orleans and I will be viewing it!!

Lysis
(User)
Wed Mar 23 2005 06:28 PM
Re:Dr Gray's 2005 Forecast scheduled for Friday release

Hey guys, I know this isn't the place for this, but anyone here absolutely has to take a look at my movie now available for download in the hurricane history thread. It is a sobering reminder of what we will be dealing with in just a few short months.
http://flhurricane.com/cyclone/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=35014&Main=35014#Post35014


MikeCAdministrator
(Admin)
Wed Mar 23 2005 08:59 PM
Re:Dr Gray's 2005 Forecast scheduled for Friday release

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MoparMitch
(Weather Watcher)
Fri Mar 25 2005 02:57 PM
Re:Dr Gray's 2005 Forecast scheduled for Friday release

Although I do not post often, I am a frequent visitor to this site. Great insight and information. Thanks!!!

I think I read on this site or somewhere else, about the correlation between hurricane activity and tornado activity. During the period of Jan-March 2004 there were 45 tornadoes. During the same period Jan-March 2005, there have been 68 reported tornadoes. Oddly enough, 14 of the 68 were in California !! VERY UNUSAL. And the season is just kicking into high gear as we enter the month of April.

I got this data from here

I look forward to reading Dr. Gray’s forecast on Friday, April 1. In his December report, the long range forecast was for 11 named storms, 6 hurricanes and 3 intense hurricanes. I would be interested to see if he moves these numbers at all.

Your thoughts,
Mitch…


Clark
(Meteorologist)
Sat Mar 26 2005 07:49 AM
Re:Dr Gray's 2005 Forecast scheduled for Friday release

That's an interesting topic to take a look at -- I haven't heard of that one before.

Tornadoes tend to form in relatively warm environments in the presence of abundant moisture and heating at the surface, with relatively cool mid-levels of the atmosphere. This provides the thermodynamic energy for the formation of the tornadoes; many other dynamical processes serve to initiate convection, form the preceding horizontal vortex, tilt it into the vertical, and lead to tornado formation, notably wind shear.

But, the thermodynamic parameters are the important ones here -- not only as they can lead to tornado/storm formation but are less likely to change on a day-to-day basis as are the dynamical parameters. Thus, a similar regime is likely to hold through, oh, a week or two -- whereas the dynamical parameters are tied to many other transient features (e.g. surface cyclone development, upper-level conditions, and more).

What do we know about hurricanes? We know that they need warm water to form, particularly not just at the surface but also below the surface. This warm water pools as a result of increased heating over a region, but takes take as waters warm/cool much slower than does land (due in part to the specific heat capacity of water vs. land). Of course, there are many other factors -- low vertical wind shear, sufficient low-level spin to result in vortex/convective development, and so on -- but again, these are more dynamical than thermodynamical.

Most tornadoes/convective systems across the southeast U.S. (mainly central Texas & points east) receive their moisture from the Gulf of Mexico, with heating serving to continually warm these waters through time. So, without doing any study, it seems as though early-season tornado activity in the S.E. U.S. could be a good indicator of tropical activity across the western Atlantic -- particularly the Gulf -- at least early in the season. Of course, like in 2004 as opposed to a lot of other years, this may not be terribly well-correlated to hurricane activity in that basin. I don't think that *all* tornadoes are going to be a good indicator of activity, just those in the southeast U.S.; I also think that while tornadoes are a good parameter (and simple to use), observed severe thunderstorms may be a better indicator, since the basic conditions for formation are the same between the two and using the latter does not require as much dynamical response, making it likely more representative of what we are looking for here.

Hope this wasn't above everyone's heads...comments anyone?


Storm Cooper
(User)
Sat Mar 26 2005 11:12 AM
Re:Dr Gray's 2005 Forecast scheduled for Friday release

There may be something there to think about... with the severe Wx we have been faced with thus far and the risk we run this weekend.. lasting possibly up to 48 hours! We should look back in a few months and see what, if any, indicators were there.

Lysis
(User)
Sat Mar 26 2005 12:55 PM
Dr Gray speaks

Dr. Gray to up his numbers:
"Unfortunately, the indicators are that the number will have to be increased than from what we released in December. Every indication now is that it will be very active, perhaps as active as in 2004". Way to drop the ball two months out.

His numbers will be released April 1st.

EDIT: Actualy, I was quoting Philip Klotzbach, his assistant, and not Gray himself.


B.C.Francis
(Storm Tracker)
Sat Mar 26 2005 04:34 PM
Re: Dr Gray speaks

I know that Dr Grays numbers won`t be out until April 1st, whats in your minds eye for us Floridians for this year? I live a block off the ocean just north of Melbourne Beach Fla. and I`m getting all my ducks in a row before the you know what hits the fan around here again. I think we`ll be in the cross hairs again this season, both east coast, Keys, and Gulf coast. June and July might be slow again, with August and September the crucial months to watch the tropical Atlantic for my area. What do you think?......We don`t need another storm around here, we`re still picking up the pieces and trying to put the puzzle together around here just like the west coast of Florida.............I would be grateful for any infro...Weatherchef

danielwAdministrator
(Moderator)
Sun Mar 27 2005 05:15 AM
Re: Dr Gray speaks

I was under the impression that Dr Gray released his 'numbers' to the National Hurriacane Conference in New Orleans on Friday, yesterday. I looked in depth at the 'net trying to find them and update the forum here. I guess the release date is the reason I couldn't find them. Seems like he's sticking to his guns, not wanting to cause early panic or dread. 66 days and the season begins.

Cycloneye11
(Weather Hobbyist)
Sun Mar 27 2005 12:03 PM
Re: Dr Gray speaks

http://www.news-press.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050326/NEWS01/50326002/1002/NEWS01

At link above is all the information about the hurricane conference at New Orleans and what Dr Gray said there.He didn't say the numbers for the april update but some hints of his talk there indicate that he will raise slightly the numbers from the 11/6/3 he had in the December outlook.So we will have to wait until April 1 to read his update and see why he got to the conclusion one way or another on raising the numbers or not.


B.C.Francis
(Storm Tracker)
Sun Mar 27 2005 04:06 PM
Re: Dr Gray speaks

I guess you and Cycloneye11 are right. We`re gonna have to wait until the 1st. And I agree with Lysis that its gonna be a deja vue here in Florida this year, its that ole gut feelin...........Weatherchef

javlin
(Weather Master)
Thu Mar 31 2005 11:27 AM
Re: Dr Gray speaks

While I agree that the the numbers will probably go up slightly whether it 's dejvue for FL. again remains to be seen.The Bermuda high will ultimitly make that decision in some part.

B.C.Francis
(Storm Tracker)
Thu Mar 31 2005 02:47 PM
Re: Dr Gray speaks

The numbers will probably go up a tad tomorrow for sure. I also agree that the Bermuda High will be the key player on what happens to the Florida east coast and north of there. Thats a no brainer. I wouldn`t be surprised that you guys on the Gulf coasts see a Tropical storm or a Cat 1 hurricane brewing around in the Gulf of Mexico around late June and in to the month of July. We`ll have to watch those trailing edges of low pressure systems just north of the gulf early on as they move over those warm waters. Then we`ll watch the Caribbean Sea and the Atlantic off Africa.....Weatherchef

Lysis
(User)
Fri Apr 01 2005 12:15 AM
Re: Dr Gray speaks

13/7/3

HanKFranK
(User)
Fri Apr 01 2005 12:53 AM
Re: Dr Gray speaks

if ENSO is tilting back to cool by early summer.. then yeah, cfhc will be a busy place later this year. their suggestions about how things could get worse are just that.. suggestions. still a lot of mixed signals on the primary signal.. ENSO. nothing's in stone yet.
HF 0041z01april
17/11/5 (what credibility?)


Heather
(Weather Hobbyist)
Fri Apr 01 2005 01:17 AM
Re: Dr Gray speaks

Can we talk a bit about the Bermuda High? Last it was mentioned was I think late January/early February. At that time it was about where it was during 2004. I remember reading somewhere, that it's location through March would be important to note. I can't find anything new on it. You guys are the experts that I've grown to count on-so with all of your wisdom and resources...where's it located now?!?

B.C.Francis
(Storm Tracker)
Fri Apr 01 2005 02:02 PM
Re: Dr Gray speaks

Heather, The Bermuda High is also called the Azores High. The center of action is located about 35degrees north and 25 degrees west. It extends from near the western end of the Mediterranean Sea westward almost to Florida in the summer months, with the western section in summer is sometimes referred to as the "Bermuda High".....I`m still digging for more infro on its exact location right now........Anybody else with more specific infro please post........Weatherchef

Unregistered User
(Unregistered)
Sat Apr 02 2005 02:38 PM
Circulation in NW carib

Sure enough, that is what the morning vis shows...with some bursting convection. Nothing (tropical storm wise) will come of it, but here we have the classic early season scenario of a the tail end of a front moving into the NW Carib and sparking some development....on April 2! (Fortunately).

Still looking for an early start this year...so far my best analog year is 1978, based on stateside weather patterns, but I think that was an El Nino year, so....who knows!!

MM


B.C.Francis
(Storm Tracker)
Sat Apr 02 2005 05:57 PM
Re: Circulation in NW carib

I see that nice little blob over western Cuba this morning. As you say Map Master, a classical earlyweather system showing some early hints of something that might happen in the Gulf come June or early July. I think that one of those cold front tails will spawn a low pressure area with some circulation at the surface in that time frame somewhere in the Gulf. Maybe a T.D. or a T.S. nothing big....By the way, you maps are awsome . You are the master.........Weatherchef

Lysis
(User)
Sat Apr 02 2005 06:32 PM
Attachment
Re: Circulation in NW carib

I thought skeetobite was the master?

Blob: http://flhurricane.com/cyclone/download.php?Number=35113


B.C.Francis
(Storm Tracker)
Sat Apr 02 2005 06:43 PM
Re: Circulation in NW carib

Your right Lysis, I had my map people mixed up. Sorry Skeeobite , you are the true master.....Weatherchef

Clark
(Meteorologist)
Sun Apr 03 2005 05:08 AM
Re: Dr Gray speaks

We've had trough after trough move through the eastern United States and spin over the Western Atlantic over the past few weeks. If there were anything out there right now, it'd have no chance of making it to the United States. The media jumped the gun with their reports a month or so ago about the Bermuda high; it changes its location and intensity on a week-to-week and month-to-month basis, as we've seen recently.

Using it's location in late January/early February to predict hurricane season activity is just short of pure folly. The accurate media reports would have mentioned that *if* such a pattern were to be established at some point during the hurricane season, hurricanes *might* threaten Florida...but that requires a storm out there in the first place, which in itself requires favorable conditions further out in the Atlantic as well as something to trigger tropical cyclone formation way out there. Instead, they took a quote -- or more appropriately, mistook a quote -- and ran with it.

Don't worry about the location of the high for now -- just sit back and enjoy the show!


HanKFranK
(User)
Sun Apr 03 2005 06:54 AM
Re: Dr Gray speaks

yeah, left that 'little' part out, didn't they... typical press.
clark, i'm lazy. do you know where i can find a database of historic height anomaly charts, plain ol' 500mb geopotential heights, and/or forecasted height anomalies? it's for a good cause (most immediately a couple of papers i have to write). and besides, i'm feelin' lucky.
HF 0542z03april (back to daylight savings, woohoo!)


Unregistered User
(Unregistered)
Thu Apr 14 2005 05:19 AM
Re: Circulation in NW carib

hello, im in vero beach florida and had a very bad year 2004. we have just finished putting 125,000 back into our home. I am not good at reading these charts but are we looking at the same year as 2004.

Unregistered User
(Unregistered)
Thu Apr 14 2005 05:27 AM
Re: Dr Gray speaks

Same here, im sitting about 5 miles off the coast. We lost some of our home both storms in 2004. Just have rebuild this week. I work in retail as a Manager for a grocery chain and we were without power 9 days and 10 days both storms. Lost all persh in the location almost 600,000.00 both storms. Does any one have a clue if were in a bad spot this year again. I am ready to move this time.
Thanks for any info.
We have done everything we can this year, I have a gennrator that will run the entire house ect. But as im in retail i have already seen a push from the customers buying now on supplies, i know its hard to believe but they are. Is this just a media hype.
Thanks
Vero beach


B.C.Francis
(Storm Tracker)
Thu Apr 14 2005 01:36 PM
Re: Dr Gray speaks

Yo Vero and East Coast. All indicators show that indeed the 2005 storm season will be at or slightly more to what we saw in 2004. As to where the tropical systems will make land fall is a crap shoot. I personally believe that people in Florida , Georgia, South Carolina should closely momitor the Atlantic this summer and be prepared just in case......In all reality, all we can do is wait and watch. We are at the mercy of Mother Nature. Remember, material possesions can be replaced, lives cannot.........WeatherChef

Cycloneye11
(Weather Hobbyist)
Thu Apr 14 2005 08:18 PM
Circulation off NC Coast

http://www.goes.noaa.gov/HURRLOOPS/huirloop.html

Something interesting to watch as some convection is there,Let's see if it turns into a warm core low or nothing will happen but neverless something to watch this very early in mid april.


B.C.Francis
(Storm Tracker)
Thu Apr 14 2005 08:40 PM
Re: Circulation off NC Coast

Nice flare up out there thats for sure. Lot of white in the infrared satelite pics. Must be some crankin storms happening. I wonder if Bermuda will see any of that action......Weatherchef

James88
(Weather Master)
Thu Apr 14 2005 09:17 PM
Re: Circulation off NC Coast

That system is certainly looking more interesting as time goes by.

HanKFranK
(User)
Thu Apr 14 2005 09:41 PM
Re: Circulation off NC Coast

that's an occluded low that's getting some decent divergence aloft from the cold-core upper low edging along to it's west and south. i can unequivocally state that it's cold here. the temperature struggled to around 60 here in columbia and never got out of the 50s east of here where the stratus layer held.
upper support for the low off the coast should break down and the modest convection near it's center should shear off and cease this evening. it will keep a good northeast surface flow over the atlantic seaboard, advecting cool air in for the next couple of days. highs are going to be stuck 5 to 10 below normal. we would get a freeze tonight, but the winds should stay up and keep the boundary layer well mixed. the growing season is on here, and a freeze wouldn't be much good.
elsewhere i've been watching the SOI index hang near neutral to weak/warm for the last month or so. it took a nosedive yesterday and is back down where it spent much of february. the warm pocket that the february spell generated is surfacing near the galapagos right now and should put those la nina thoughts to sleep for another couple of months. if we go through another SOI spell in late april like we did late february, it'll be time to start talking el nino again.
put menacingly, the pacific is acting pretty much like it did last year. i wouldn't draw any conclusions from that just yet about the summertime circulation, but a reasonable bet would be that hurricane activity in the north atlantic will mimic last year in terms of quantity.
HF 2335z14april


Lysis
(User)
Thu Apr 14 2005 10:31 PM
Re: Circulation off NC Coast

i can unequivocally state that it's cold here.
Golden.
http://www.erh.noaa.gov/radar/loop/DS.p20-r/si.kmhx.shtml



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