MikeCAdministrator
(Admin)
Wed Jul 02 2008 11:30 AM
Tropical Storm Bertha Forms South of Cape Verde Islands

Update - Sunday 07/06, 1130PM ET
Bertha has been intensifying during the day and evening and is nearing hurricane strength, with maximum sustained winds near 65mph, and a minimum central pressure of 994mbs. There is even indications of an eye-wall formulation. This is all likely a result of favorable deep layer shear profiles combined with the fact that she has been moving over gradually warming SSTs. She is currently located near 18.6N/ 48.9W and continues moving west to west-northwest at a brisk 20mph.

This range of motion is being strongly dictated by pervasive Atlantic Basin subtropical ridging and is expected to persist for the next 3 days, keeping Bertha on the west-northwest general heading. After that things get complicated. Modeling solutions range from a rather discerned polar-ward motion ensuing roughly at 72 hours, taking Bertha east of even Bermuda, to bringing Bertha to the outer Bahamas.

Bertha's developmental prospects look good for the next 2 days, after which, some shear may impact her. However, by then she may be a bit stronger of a system and more capable of fending off a harsher environment; provided said environment doesn't become overwhelming, of course. The official call at this hour is 70kts by 24 hours, then hold her own through the end of the 5 day outlook. Position at that time, 30N/66W

Stay tuned!

John

Update - Saturday 07/05, 1230PM ET
After passing over marginal SSTs during the last day, 1000mb Bertha has struggled a bit to maintain a 45kt (~50mph) wind. The TC is now entering a region of somewhat warmer water, some intensification is likely to resume. Currently Bertha is carrying a rather well defined and persistent convection plume along her NW semi-circle.

According to the 11am advisory, she was moving more due west over the last 6-12 hours, but the longer term average is really 280 degrees at a rather brisk 21mph. This rapid forward motion may also contribute to some limitation on development. Officially, Bertha is forecast to reach hurricane strength by hour 72.

The forecast philosophy is currently that the subtropical ridge over the breadth of the Atlantic Basin will essentially remain intact enough to persist a general west or west-northwest steering field. As is usually the case, the picture becomes a little less clear nearing day 4 and beyond. Previously, there was modeling indication that a weakness would evolve near the 60W longitudes, and that this would induce a bit of a turn toward the northwest. However, now the models have backed off on that idea and instead lift the weak trough axis back north prior to Bertha's nearing that longitude. Thus, the 3 day modeled average has shifted somewhat south of those earlier indications, even though the very recent trends may have shifted the day 5 position a little north. These types of shifting in model position are not unusual. The best way to correct for them is to assess the general synopsis, then balance those solution against to attain the most plausible scenario. That said, it would seem we will have to monitor this system for a few days.

John

Update - Thursday 07/03, 1130PM ET
Bertha's intensity has been increased to 40kts (45mph). This is a compromise in Dvorak estimates of tools giving 45 and 35kts. Minimum central pressure is estimated at 1006mb, which is consistent with these wind speeds. She is moving at 280 or essentially west at 14mph. Currently, satellite presentation has improved this evening. It is possible that a nocturnal phase of intensification is underway.

The forecast philosophy is essentially unchanged. Bertha is expected to continue moving on a west-northwest motion for the next 3 days, after which, some shear and a weakness in the steering field ridge may belay further intensification, as well as turn her more toward the NW, respectively. Still, the official intensity call is upwards toward 60kts (near 70mph) by 72 hours, and then holding that intensity through 120.

John

Update - Thursday 07/03, 1130AM ET
TD2 in the far eastern Atlantic has been upgraded to Tropical Storm Bertha - currently relocated about 190 miles south of the Cape Verde Islands. Maximum sustained winds are at 35 knots and the minimum central pressure is 1006MB. Bertha is moving to the west northwest and that forward motion should continue for the next few days. Only slow intensification is forecast as the cyclone moves over some cooler SSTs (26C) in about 24 to 36 hours. After about 4 days, the future motion of Bertha will hinge on the strength of the Atlantic high pressure ridge.

Invest 93L, beginning to experience some increase in windshear, has not changed much in the past 24 hours and continues to move to the west northwest to northwest at about 10 knots in the eastern Caribbean Sea.

We'll continue to monitor both of these systems over the holiday weekend.
ED

Update - Thursday 07/03, 700AM ET
The area that was tracked as (92L) has now formed into Tropical Depression #2

Update - Wednesday 07/02, 1030PM ET
Newly designated Invest 93L about to enter the eastern Caribbean near Martinique. See the Storm Forum thread for additional details.
ED

Original Post
A potential early-off Africa storm may be forming over the next few days from what is being tracked as 92L, this system has been showing signs of potential development for the last day or so.

If it does form, it will likely not become any more than a named Tropical Storm, and it likely will not last too long as the conditions ahead of it aren't the greatest. Even so, it appears this will move out to sea before having a chance to affect any land areas. If it does form it will be the first to form this far east in July since Bertha in 1996. The track, however, appears to be much further north than Bertha.

We'll be watching in case any of this changes, but other than being something to watch in the Atlantic, there isn't much to be concerned about here.

{{StormLinks|Bertha|02|2|2008|2|Bertha}}


cieldumort
(Moderator)
Wed Jul 02 2008 08:38 PM
Re: Watching System in the Far East Atlantic

TCFA has been hoisted for 92L.

There was a little confusion earlier when 92L was errantly being listed by NRL and others as 02L.


Rich B
(British Meteorologist)
Wed Jul 02 2008 08:49 PM
Re: Watching System in the Far East Atlantic

Satellite imagery shows that the disturbance (92L) still remains somewhat well organsied, but needs to consolidate a little more before classification i would imagine. Model support at the moment doesnt seem to take the system above Tropical Storm strength generally. Oh note, and perhaps of more 'threat' is the new 93L - the area just east of the Lesser Antilles. Satellite shows a rapidly developing and well organised disturbance, but no mention of it currently from the NHC.

Lee-Delray
(Weather Master)
Wed Jul 02 2008 09:09 PM
Re: Watching System in the Far East Atlantic

looks like we have 93L to look at as well

my.sfwmd.gov/sfwmd/common/images/weather/plots/storm_93.gif


Random Chaos
(Weather Analyst)
Wed Jul 02 2008 11:40 PM
Re: Watching System in the Far East Atlantic

SSD is now listing 92L as 02L, but nothing on NHC or NRL about an upgrade to a Tropical Depression. Is SSD jumping the gun?

http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/PS/TROP/positions.html


Hugh
(Senior Storm Chaser)
Thu Jul 03 2008 02:00 AM
Re: Watching System in the Far East Atlantic

The SSD "floaters" page doesn't show 92L at all, but it does show 93L. Very odd.
The link you posted shows 92L, but not 02L, for me at least.


Random Chaos
(Weather Analyst)
Thu Jul 03 2008 03:27 AM
Re: Watching System in the Far East Atlantic

Looks like SSD changed one of the two 02L's back to 92L, but they missed one.

As for the floater, SSD won't have a floater on 92L yet - it's out of range of the satellite they use (SSD uses the geosynchronous weather satellites, as I recall). Near-Africa storms are usually on different satellites - only place I can seem to find storm-centered current satellite imagery for it is NRL; for some reason the Africa region at NASA GOES is two years out of date (the rest are current).


cieldumort
(Moderator)
Thu Jul 03 2008 08:27 AM
Re: Watching Systems in the Eastern Caribbean and Far East Atlantic

Invest 92L is now being listed as 02L on NRL. Overnight, deep convection continued to blossom within the heart of the system. A recent QuikSCAT pass showed that as early as yesterday 92L has had a very coherent surface circulation, with thunderstorms appropriately co-located.

Ironically, the next name on the Atlantic list of names this year, of all possible names given the nature of 02L, is Bertha.


CoconutCandy
(User)
Thu Jul 03 2008 02:56 PM
Surprisingly Early Cape Verde Cyclogenesis

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UPDATE: NHC has just Upgraded TD Two to Tropical Storm Bertha. No wonder the Depression was looking so much like a Tropical Storm already in the pic below. Amazing! A Cape Verde Storm on July 3rd!

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Well I am quite surprised to see the wave held together so well, and the convective max last night gave it just the energy input needed to facilitate cyclogenesis.



I can't remember when I've seen such a well organized Cape Verde depression that looks like a TS already, so very early in the season. Almost certainly, that pocket of anomalous SST's a few degrees above climo just off the west coast of Africa provided the 'fuel for the fire' and allowed the cyclone to form this early in the season. A harbinger of things to come ?!?



It'll be of little consequence as a 'fish spinner', except to shipping lanes. But of much greater consequence is what this implies for the rest of this coming hurricane season. A bumper crop of storms, perhaps?

And, were it not for the shear, we'd have another cyclone forming over the Leeward Islands right now. The tropics are really starting to percolate early this year. July may be quite active. August and September will very likely be 'Bingo-Bango', to bandy some recent vernacular. Interesting times, tropical weather-wise!

It's seems quite likely that, if the shear relaxes for most of the season like in 2005, and with the SST's running a tad warmer than usual, we'll be seeing a conveyor belt of cyclones again this year. Best to be *Extra Prepared* this season!

- Norm in Honolulu (Former Coconut Grove, Florida Resident from '77 - '80 - Survived David in Miami 1979, Allen in Key West 1980, Iwa 1982, Iniki 1992)


JustMe
(Weather Guru)
Thu Jul 03 2008 03:01 PM
Re: Surprising Early Cape Verde Cyclogenesis

I have been watching storms for many years now and I have to agree this is very early to have activity in the Cape Verde area although the dry area ahead of it will not help with it's matruing. The loft winds will turn it to sea .. Like you I am uneasy about waht our year has to unfold

MichaelA
(Weather Analyst)
Thu Jul 03 2008 04:49 PM
Re: Surprising Early Cape Verde Cyclogenesis

I find it interesting that the former early July CV storm was also named Bertha (1996) and it affected the US from the mid-Atlantic coast through New England. However, that storm formed more to the Southwest than this incarnation has.

typhoon_tip
(Meteorologist)
Fri Jul 04 2008 03:35 AM
Re: Tropical Storm Bertha Forms South of Cape Verde Islands

After a typical diurnal drop off in convection during the day today (Thursday), Bertha seems to have developed a fairly tightly compact and robust circulation core this evening. Nocturnal phase of development may be underway. Current satellite takes on the appearance of CDO - though it is less likely that is the case for the time being. TPC seems to agree with intensification overall, per their 11pm advisory/discussion, and the intensity has been raised to 40kts.

Her vitals are unchanged. She will remain in a low shear environment for at least the next 2-3 days, after which some increased shear may or may not significantly impact her. She has only marginal SSTs to work with at 25C, which is a limiting factor on any thinking for rapid intensification. We really like to see a minimum 82F SST and significantly deep thermocline (water temperature decreases with increasing depth) combined with low shear and a noticeable positive anomaly in the outflow (perhaps a channel); none of which is really observable at this time in that part of the Atlantic. This is probably why they are a bit more conservative on development than some of the tropical models are forecasting.


cieldumort
(Moderator)
Fri Jul 04 2008 07:29 AM
Re: Tropical Storm Bertha Forms South of Cape Verde Islands

CDO-like feature appears to have been given a little additional boost from some shear, perhaps. Deep convection now, with possibly a pull back to the north of the LLCC, after an initial adjustment to the north, which was only followed by a readjustment to the south after some impressive and fortuitous microwave passes came in.

Doing some quick back of the hand Dvorak sketching, I come up with T3.0 to T3.5 at this time, using a blend of shear, CDO and curved band methods. Covering the bases...

SAB just came back with 3.0 at 0545 UTC. It will be interesting to see what NHC does with the next advisory, but I suspect that whatever the next advisory comes in at might be tempered just a bit as the nocturnal maximum may have run its course.

A few ship reports that came in well outside of the coc and also outside of any deep convection were already running 20-33 knots. Wouldn't it be enlightening to have the benefit of a few center fixes right about now.

I suspect that Bertha might be worthy of at least a 55+/- MPH advisory coming up. Seems entirely plausible. It appears that Bertha is a little stronger, earlier, which adds yet more argument for her spinning off into never never land out at sea. However, its worth noting that recently GFS has been trending a little left.


CaneTrackerInSoFl
(Storm Tracker)
Fri Jul 04 2008 06:55 PM
Attachment
Bertha strengthening?

Taking a look at the satellite right now, there has been a burst of deep convection to the north of the LLC that has persisted and grown over the past few hours. Now, it is still on the north side of the LLC but it is a rather impressive bloom of convection.

LoisCane
(Veteran Storm Chaser)
Fri Jul 04 2008 11:54 PM
Re: Bertha strengthening?

Really a period of transition in the Atlantic. Watching the WV loop there is a strong ULL spinning in the North Atlantic and a high that is going to deepen. There was a door for her to re-curve early but she missed it. SAL really got sucked into her yesterday via her bands. Today she looked like she was getting rid of the tail she was carrying and not that long tail is back with the other mentioned convection.

Have to wait and see down the road what next chance thing comes along to re-curve her but it's too early to just call her a fish and close the book.

Especially with the NHC saying "AS THE STORM REMAINS SOUTH OF A MID-TROPOSPHERIC RIDGE.
THE GFDL TRACK HAS NOW SHIFTED WESTWARD AND HAS JOINED THE REMAINDER
OF THE MODEL GUIDANCE.."

The GFDL also intensifies her in a few days. So, keep watching and as always it's a wait and see.


danielwAdministrator
(Moderator)
Sat Jul 05 2008 01:41 AM
Bertha... Status Quo?

I'm not very good with graphics, but I'll give this a layman's version of a shot.
I've cropped some of the upper air maps from NHC to show the upper air cuurents at 850mb (5000ft) and 200mb (38000ft).

The first two are from the area around Tropical Storm Bertha. And the latter two are from the GOM and NW Caribbean area.
The links will take you to the latest upper air charts of the Atlantic and Eastern Pacific Oceans.
The contour lines indicate clockwise ( High pressure) circulation and counter-clockwise (Low pressure) circulation. The numbers are the wind speeds at that altitude at the time of the map.
Anti-cyclonic circulation at 200mb, over cyclonic circulation at 850mb would normally be favorable for strengthing. SSTs and other parameters would also have to be in place.
070408 1800Z or 2 PM EDT today.

200mb-38000ft


850mb-5000ft


Gulf of Mexico and NW Caribbean Sea

200mb-38000ft
30-50 knots of wind shear present in W. GOM

850mb-5000ft


NHC links to the 850mb and 200mb charts.
http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/tafb/QUNA00.jpg
http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/tafb/QHQA17.jpg

Trropical Storm Bertha, appears to be slightly increasing in intensity. Due mainly to the indication of higher, colder cloud tops near the center. The 'rainbow' enhancement would seem to indicate some type of wind shear or dry air on the western side of the system. Notice the difference in the low and mid level blue-grey clouds on the left side of the storm.
The lower larger circular area underneath the storm appears to be tilted somewhat to the upper right side of the photo, or to the northeast.


DarleneCane
(Verified CFHC User)
Sat Jul 05 2008 01:19 PM
Re: Bertha... Status Quo?

Is this new view of Bertha a matter of shear or is she moving more to the left/west and less to the wnw?

http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/eumet/eatl/avn-l.jpg

Her convection is very bright further to the south and her appearance is not very cyclone like. She looks more like a comet in space. However, on this loop below you see her whole circulation better.

http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/eumet/eatl/rgb.jpg

Is she having problems because of cooler water temps, shear or fast forward speed?

On one hand the fast forward speed hurts her and yet on the other hand it will get her to warmer water faster.


craigm
(Storm Tracker)
Sat Jul 05 2008 02:04 PM
Re: Bertha... Status Quo?

Bertha no longer looks to be a definite recurve.
Models are not weakening the ridge as much as they were a couple days ago. As far as her appearance not being very cyclone like this 85ghz image of Bertha actually shows good structure at the surface. The dark blues are low level clouds that return the same temperature brightness as land. Microwave reflectivity will see through CDO and cirrus however these satellites are not geosyncronous and only update every 6 hours.

http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/PS/TROP/EATLSS85.html


flanewscameraman
(Weather Watcher)
Sat Jul 05 2008 02:21 PM
Re: Bertha... Status Quo?

Does it appear that the high will continue to push Bertha on a more westward track

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CaneTrackerInSoFl
(Storm Tracker)
Sat Jul 05 2008 02:32 PM
Re: Bertha... Status Quo?

It actually appears as though Bertha has been jogging to the southwest this morning. Perhaps its an optical illusion due to the CDO trying to expand but as has been stated in the discussions for many of the prior advisories, I believe it is actually jogging to the southwest as it gyrates around a general W to WNW heading.

http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/flt/t1/loop-vis.html


Random Chaos
(Weather Analyst)
Sat Jul 05 2008 02:41 PM
Re: Bertha... Status Quo?

It really depends on the model as to how far west it will be pushed. GFS (7/5, 06 run) is showing that it will recurve on the western edge of the high in about a week, keeping it out to sea. In comparison, NOGAPS (7/5, 00 run) is keeping the high stronger and further west, taking the storm on a track toward Cuba.

This time period is too far out for accurate forecasts though. When you have two of the major models used for global weather forecasting showing completely opposing solutions at that time range, you can pretty much toss both out and say we have no clue what will happen.

About all that I can tell from the models right now is that Bertha is going to maintain Tropical Storm status for the next few days until it hits more favorable solutions, and then possibly intensify.

I think all of us here on the east coast hope the high pressure ridge weakens, as the GFS calls for.

References:
http://moe.met.fsu.edu/tcgengifs/
http://euler.atmos.colostate.edu/~vigh/guidance/


typhoon_tip
(Meteorologist)
Sat Jul 05 2008 08:59 PM
Re: Tropical Storm Bertha Forms South of Cape Verde Islands


For those interested...I have placed a discussion over in the Forecast Lounge regarding the destiny of Bertha, and whether or not there is any threat to the U.S.. Naturally, it is too early to assess that with any confidence/accuracy, but...there are some early thoughts and views that may interest a few of you.

John


hurricaneguy
(Weather Hobbyist)
Sun Jul 06 2008 12:19 AM
Re: Tropical Storm Bertha Forms South of Cape Verde Islands

The 18z models are showing the ridge breaking down again and Bertha turning out to sea around Bermuda. I still think the only land area in danger will be Bermuda.

typhoon_tip
(Meteorologist)
Sun Jul 06 2008 01:17 AM
Re: Tropical Storm Bertha Forms South of Cape Verde Islands

Quote:

The 18z models are showing the ridge breaking down again and Bertha turning out to sea around Bermuda. I still think the only land area in danger will be Bermuda.




I wouldn't bite to hard into any given 18z model solution. That, and the 06z for that matter, are the coarser model runs of the 24 hour cycle. 00z and 12z have finer resolution and therefore, superior data ingests. Treat the 18z runs as just another ensemble member.

John


weatherguy08
(Weather Hobbyist)
Sun Jul 06 2008 01:25 AM
Re: Tropical Storm Bertha Forms South of Cape Verde Islands

I did notice that the 00Z BAMS, BAMM, and BAMD models now forecast Bertha to go north of the NHC track. Maybe now that the NHC as well as some of the intensity models are showing Bertha strengthening more than previously anticipated, she will feel that northward pull a little more. The evening forecast from the NHC should/could be interesting.

scottsvb
(Weather Master)
Sun Jul 06 2008 03:01 AM
Re: Tropical Storm Bertha Forms South of Cape Verde Islands

Dont buy into the tropical model runs of the BAMM,LBAR etc......Usually the GFDL,GFS ,ECMWF and Ukmet are the Global Models to follow..with somewhat the Nogaps. I dont usually give much credit to the CMC. Next 36-48hrs will be important on how far N it will be when the trough tries to interact with Bertha. I agree with the NHC on a stronger system would push her more WNW then NNW when she feels the trough. Or if she stays weaker..she will move more WNW.....until the next weakness moves out into the NW Atlantic. We will have a better idea on Monday.

danielwAdministrator
(Moderator)
Sun Jul 06 2008 02:19 PM
Central Atlantic...Sunday

Three areas to watch in the Central Atlantic:
Tropical Storm Bertha-moving west at 22 mph
New Tropical Wave to the SE of Bertha
Large Heavy Thunderstorm complex NE of the Turks and Caicos Islands.



Or wide angle available here:
Wide Angle Rainbow Enhancement


craigm
(Storm Tracker)
Sun Jul 06 2008 05:17 PM
Accuweather

What is going on at Accu weather? This seems a bit irresponsible, if you ask me, judging from the trends in the models and the time frame we are talking about. Click on the the weather video you won't believe it!

http://hurricane.accuweather.com/hurrica...&stormNum=1


WeatherNut
(Weather Master)
Sun Jul 06 2008 05:57 PM
Re: Accuweather

They have been saying for a couple of days now that there should be more of a western component to the track. The models right now are very low confidence. I think it is a bit brazen to show it making a beeline for the Carolina coast though

scottsvb
(Weather Master)
Sun Jul 06 2008 06:02 PM
Re: Accuweather

Well its premature to even speculate a path more than 5 days out. Although the path seems reasonable, he did say things can change. The whole path has todo with the strength of the system and especially if the trough coming off the east coast in a few days picks Bertha up or not... and even if it doesn't will she move west or just meander until the next trough comes early next week. Too much speculation, for now..

LDH892
(Meteorologist)
Sun Jul 06 2008 06:21 PM
Re: Accuweather

As for Bertha, out past 5 days is still too hard to pin-point with high confidence as others have stated. Looks like surfers along the East Coast may have some better swells/waves next weekend...



Hugh
(Senior Storm Chaser)
Sun Jul 06 2008 07:40 PM
Re: Accuweather

Certainly it is impossible to reliably say more than 5 days out whether Bertha will strike the Carolinas - or anywhere else for that matter. The Accuweather forecast, in terms of projected track, doesn't come as a shock to me, but the speed is too fast, when I look at the model outputs and the NHC forecast.
I expected more of a poleward motion to have begun over the weekend, but it hasn't, so I'm not sold on the storm getting caught up in the trough just yet.

Edit: I just looked back at the advisory archives. In the initial 5-day forecast, the 72HR line read:
72HR VT 06/0600Z 17.5N 40.0W 45 KT
at 06/1500z, Bertha's actual location was 17.4 N...45.1 W. 45 KT

So I guess as far as poleward motion, it's on target based upon the 72 hour forecast, but it's 300nm west of the projected location. Did I do that math right?




Genesis
(Weather Guru)
Sun Jul 06 2008 08:17 PM
Re: Accuweather

I dunno....

When I look at the GFDL solution it is predicated on the ridge breaking down and the high retrograding NE by several hundred miles.

I find the CMC's solution rather interesting too - but not persuasive. It keys on a couple of VERY strong impulses north of the Canadian border that allow the ridge to buckle northward and while it takes Bertha almost to the Bahamas before it turns her, it then takes her poleward from there.

NoGaps has an even odder solution, with a massive high coming off the eastern seaboard, basically "pincing" Bertha between the Bermuda high and it, forcing it northward. But that one I buy - if the high shows up in 4-5 days and intensifies as it predicts.

The Wv loop gives some cred to this latter view - but IMHO the movement is too fast. And that, ultimately looks to be the key - if the connection is missed and the trough exits before Bertha gets where it can be influenced, the ridge will rebuild behind that and block polward movement.

So the slower and weaker she is, the more likely she remains westward-bound. Strength and especially speed likely gets her into the connection zone where she can be sucked into the gap as the ridge breaks, and out she'll go.

This far out I wouldn't even attach a probability on an impact on the ConUS, although were I in Bermuda I'd be a lot more nervous than being on the East Coast!


craigm
(Storm Tracker)
Sun Jul 06 2008 08:33 PM
Bertha intensifying

Am I seeing things or is this the begining of eyewall formation? A clear microwave pass would help. I think Bertha is approaching Hurricane strength sooner than later just from they way she looks. Outflow is really starting to improve.

http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/flt/t1/loop-rgb.html


Hugh
(Senior Storm Chaser)
Sun Jul 06 2008 08:44 PM
Re: Bertha intensifying

I've been looking at all of the imagery options on SSD... what does pure white on the Dvorak scale mean in terms of intensity? Not good, I think
I believe we'll see a Cane tonight, and I'm afraid a much powerful Bertha in on the horizon, if the current satellite is any indication.


weatherguy08
(Weather Hobbyist)
Sun Jul 06 2008 08:49 PM
Re: Bertha intensifying

When you overlay the forecast points onto the satellite loop on the link posted in the post before this one, it looks like Bertha is farther north than the original forecast. We could see even more of a northward shift in the next forecast. Still too early to say if the U.S. is under the gun or not, but it seems like it has becoming less and less likely with the recent models and forecasts from the NHC. I did notice however that the 18z run of the BAMS has moved south of the forecast as opposed to its earlier position, which may actually indicate that the model has no idea where it's going. In other words, I think the BAMS has been a little inconsistent.

Random Chaos
(Weather Analyst)
Sun Jul 06 2008 08:56 PM
Re: Bertha intensifying

Actually, Hugh, I don't think pure white in and of itself means all that much besides it has quite cold cloud tops. What we need to look for is how curved the Dvorak imagery is.

Looking at the latest SSD imagery, looks like it's got a part spiral coming off it, placing it somewhere between 2.5 and 3.5 on the Dvorak scale. Officially, the last call listed on SSD is 3.0, so it really hasn't intensified (as far as SSD is listing), it's just gotten colder (which could be an indication of intensification in progress, but it is not in and of itself an indication of higher intensity).

See for Dvorak visual reference: http://web.archive.org/web/2005090620254..._guide_to_d.htm

For others:
SSD imagery: http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/PS/TROP/float1.html
SSD intensity (Dvorak numbers): http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/PS/TROP/positions.html

Enjoy!

I'm hoping Bertha goes spinning fish.


Random Chaos
(Weather Analyst)
Sun Jul 06 2008 09:02 PM
Re: Bertha intensifying

Craig, we've got a microwave pass. Not liking what I am seeing.

SSMIS Microwave Pass (1950z, or 3:50pm EDT).

Definite eye defined in the internal storm structure.

Compare to the TMI overpass 3 hours earlier, which was only just starting to show signs of central formation.

(All images via NRL)

[Edit: Fixing bad link]


cieldumort
(Moderator)
Sun Jul 06 2008 09:56 PM
Re: Tropical Storm Bertha Forms South of Cape Verde Islands

As noted in the 5PM Discussion, Bertha is intensifying, but currently the MLC and LLC are slightly disjointed. This can be made out in this 1958UTC AMSU Composite
One can also discern the development of an eye, still in its formative stage.

Given that at this time no appreciable increase in wind shear is on the near-term horizon, and only increases of SST are likely in Bertha's path over the next several days, with this incipient eye, improving co-location of both the MLC and LLC, improving outflow, and more, the forecast calling for Bertha to become our first hurricane of the season looks pretty locked - and quite possibly our first major hurricane (which is not yet the official forecast, but which is entirely within the realm of the plausible, given all outlined above).

The stronger she gets, the more likely she is to respond to any upcoming weakness(es) in the ridge.


Hugh
(Senior Storm Chaser)
Sun Jul 06 2008 10:09 PM
Re: Tropical Storm Bertha Forms South of Cape Verde Islands

Even though the official forecast does not call for Bertha to become a major came within 5 days, I'd be surprised, given the current trend, if that doesn't happen. As far as responding to weaknesses in the ridge, the more I look at some models, the less I understand... because I don't see the weaknesses in the ridge, at least not within the forecast time period (5 days out).

LoisCane
(Veteran Storm Chaser)
Mon Jul 07 2008 12:13 AM
Re: Tropical Storm Bertha Forms South of Cape Verde Islands

Thinking it's premature speculation to say that it could become a major hurricane. It has had problems getting to this point, it is a small storm, the water is not yet percolating under it and it has SAL around it and a ahead of it still and it is supposed to hit shear in a day or so..

http://cimss.ssec.wisc.edu/tropic/real-time/wavetrak/winds/m8g10split.html

One thing to say it will make hurricane or Category 1 and another to speculate yet on it's being a major hurricane.

If it stalls out and spins in the Bahamas under a strong ridge then maybe I'd believe anything but as for right now.. premature speculation I think.


Hugh
(Senior Storm Chaser)
Mon Jul 07 2008 12:56 AM
Re: Tropical Storm Bertha Forms South of Cape Verde Islands

I think alot depends upon how much poleward motion occurs. Right now, there is a definate northward component that did not exist earlier. While a stronger storm would be more likely to move poleward, that would also be more likely to subject the storm to shear from the trough, wouldn't it? Bertha does look very symmetrical right now, but the eye-like feature is no longer visible best I can tell.

Random Chaos
(Weather Analyst)
Mon Jul 07 2008 01:23 AM
Re: Tropical Storm Bertha Forms South of Cape Verde Islands

Another SSMIS microwave overpass, with strong central structure.

It is definitely strengthening - take a look:

http://www.nrlmry.navy.mil/tcdat/tc08/AT...N-462W.82pc.jpg

SSD also is now listing it at a 3.5. IR and Microwave is showing a strong band to the north, but none south. Outflow is improving in all quadrants, as seen via SSD IR AVN loop.

I would be surprised if we didn't see a hurricane within the next day based on current trends.

*hopes for a fish spinner*


Hugh
(Senior Storm Chaser)
Mon Jul 07 2008 01:30 AM
Re: Tropical Storm Bertha Forms South of Cape Verde Islands

Based upon that microwave image, and current satellite presentation, I'm going to use the philosophy of "if it looks like a 'cane, it's probably a 'cane"... BUT, if I look at the IR 2 channel satellite loop, and freeze it at the same time as that microwave image, I see a definate eye-like feature there as well. Yet, since then, it's disappeared.

As far as the poleward motion I saw earlier, it may have just been a wobble, because it looks like Bertha is tracking just north of the forecast track, like it's been doing for some time to my eyes.

ETA: Remarkable agreement among the models in the latest run, it appears... and it appears that Bermuda could be visited by Bertha.


LDH892
(Meteorologist)
Mon Jul 07 2008 06:05 AM
Re: Tropical Storm Bertha Forms South of Cape Verde Islands

On IR it appears that Bertha's motion has been mainly westward over the last 5 hours, just north of the models and NHC forecast points, but no real surprise as these things tend to wobble along a mean track. If the motion continues Bertha may fall back in line with, and even a little south of, the NHC forecast points. IR cloud temps around the center have fallen too and Bertha looks slightly less symmetric, although the circulation appears more vigorous. The new 00Z GFS has Bertha stall out in the western Atlantic around 25-30N and 70W in days 5-7 (Sat.-Mon). Should make for an interesting next few days.

cieldumort
(Moderator)
Mon Jul 07 2008 07:15 AM
Re: Tropical Storm Bertha Forms South of Cape Verde Islands

"A picture is worth a thousand words."

No further comment necessary


Unregistered User
(Unregistered)
Mon Jul 07 2008 10:44 AM
Hurricane Bertha

As of 0500 Bertha is now a hurricae. A news artical should post soon.


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