MikeCAdministrator
(Admin)
Sat Jul 30 2011 10:37 AM
Large Wave East of Caribbean Looking Better this Morning

7:00AM EDT Update 01 August 2011
The first of August has arrived, and most attention in the Atlantic is on the wave east of the Caribbean, that did a split yesterday, but is now coming together. The eastern area from yesterday started to get its act together overnight, and now seems ready for a development run.

Because of the relatively large size of the wave, any development is expected to continue to be slow, but probably steady. Those in the Leeward islands will probably get Tropical Storm force winds and watches/warnings put up when the system gets classified (probably after recon, or by 11AM if the system continues to look good) Barbados would be the first to get the worst of it (the leading rain it got yesterday has disappeared to go back toward the main system)



The wave has a large shield from dry air in the near term, and shear is relatively light, so a steady increase of strength is expected, but not a fast increase because of the size of the area, at least in the near term.

The track gets a bit hairy, I think the models will continue shifting toward the west, at least today, and settle in over a western Hispaniola crossover, which could destroy the system (And probably brings floods Haiti if it does). Once it gets across, as a much weaker system, it will likley stay in the Bahamas, and the game of "when will it turn north" commences. (The most famous case of it for Central Florida was probably Hurricane Floyd). This system (91l)t will likely recurve, but it's too early to say when. Two wildcards are it misses the mountains of Hispaniola, or stays weak and continues further west toward Central America (The longer it does not develop the more the Central America case becomes likely). For more speculation, see the forecast lounge. For the real forecast see the National Hurricane Center when the first advisory comes out, likely today at 11 or later if the storm does not form. Recon is almost in the system right now.

Either way those in the Leewards will need to prepare for a Tropical Storm (if it can get organized enough for it before it reaches there), and the Virgin Islands and Puerto Rico will want to watch local officials/media for what may occur there. And beyond is still really too soon to tell, it all depends on how far west the system is. It has not developed yet, so the models, position, and moment are all to be taken with a grain of salt at the moment. In short really the entire Caribbean from the Leewards up and West, Bahamas, Florida to North Carolina should keep tabs just to see what is going on with the system. It's becoming less of a mess, but it still is just a wave so beware the hype.

5:30PM EDT Update 31 July 2011
The wave 91L is very elongated, and borderline two separate systems. Recon went in the system this afternoon but was unable to find a definite circulation center. It also had communications issues which limited the data coming back.

The National Hurricane Center issued a special Tropical Weather Outlook which includes the entire elongated area (including an oval shaped graphic)

Those in the northern windward and leeward islands should be watching this closely and treating it as a Tropical Storm.

Beyond this it gets very complicated because of the dual vortices, it really depends on where the eventual storm center forms. Models are close to useless in this scenario (pick between the west or east area, the results will be different either way.) While the system remains weak, it is likely to continue due west into the Caribbean.

In short anywhere west of this system needs to check back to see when (and if) this system (or systems) consolidate. This is a pretty unique situation and the models are showing trends if it were to organize (assuming the eastern most).

7AM EDT Update 31 July 2011
The wave east of the Caribbean, referred to as invest 91L, has been slowly organizing since yesterday and the NHC now has it as a 100% chance for development over the next 48 hours (Well as of 2AM). As of 7 AM, it still has not formed. It is likely when recon aircraft enters the area this afternoon it will be upgraded.

This wave is very large, and if it were a bit more spread out may have even been considered two areas, but since they were in close proximity, it's been a slow progression of organization. Those in parts of the Lesser Antilles may expect some sort of Tropical Storm Watch/Warning to be issued today. The system also has a slight bit of dry air intrusion, which will limit how fast strengthening could occur, at least in the next day or two.

Barbados is getting the first part of the rain this morning from the western edge of this broad area.



Model guidance has not been handling this large area well, with initializations (starting positions, and movement) not being very accurate as a generally westward motion has occurred since yesterday. This morning even though multiple guidance has been in fairly good agreement with each other through the first 2 days, it's been consistently off also, on initialization. You have to verify with real observations what the models are and are not doing, especially with weak, broad and large (or very small) systems. The models tend to do best with fairly well organized systems with a solid core (not titled, or sheared). This system is borderline two areas (which is why for Example the Euro/EWMCF model basically splits it), and very broad, and not a good candidate for early model tracking.

What this does is open up a great deal of possibilities once the storm enters the Caribbean, and puts Puerto Rico, Hispaniola, and the Virgin islands needing to watch this (Although it is possible for the system to stay south and enter deeper into the Caribbean, it is not currently the most likely scenario..) We're awaiting official advisories to comment more about this directly, in the meantime check out the Forecast Lounge for more speculation on what may happen, or post if you would like to take a shot at what may occur.

It is very possible because of the split nature of the system, that it may take longer to develop than was anticipated, or keep it from occurring. The "split" nature of this system is very interesting, will one element take over the other, will they literally split into two systems (ala Euro), or will it just keep the whole area weak. Right now, the western 'system' has the better convection but the eastern 'system' has the better circulation, but not a definite low level circulation center yet. Which likely means a generally westward motion for now.


Martinique Radar Recording 91L Approach (flhurricane)

Long term recording of 91L Floater Water Vapor Imagery (flhurricane)

Barbados Brohav Weather Fax

Elsewhere, the cape verde season seems to be starting to get going, as a rather well define wave has exited the African Coastline.

Original Update
Tropical Storm Don, or what little was left of it, made landfall around 9:30 last night, and in the process completely fell apart. Very little rain made it to South Texas, unfortunately.

For those in the northern Leeward islands of the Caribbean, the wave east of you, 91L, looks very likely to develop late today or tomorrow, and overall has a 70% chance for development within a 48 hour period. It appears Tropical Depression 5 or Emily may form later today. Current models are surprisingly aligned, which means the Leewards, Virgin Islands, and Puerto Rico will want to start thinking about preparations if needed.

What may keep it from organizing today is the fast forward motion, but either way the 70% chance for 48 hours seems quite reasonable.



Beyond this, they start to diverge in if it will collide with Hispaniola or miss to the north or south.

Since most speculation on storms before they develop is prone to hype we leave it off the main page, see the Forecast Lounge for more speculation on what may happen, or post if you would like to take a shot at what may occur.

Beyond this, as we enter August we start to enter the busier part of Hurricane season, especially late August. Things may be shaping up for a busy August, but unsure on where the pattern will take most of the systems.

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MikeCAdministrator
(Admin)
Sat Jul 30 2011 01:22 PM
Re: Wave East of Caribbean Likely to Develop Today or Tomorrow

i modified the title to read today or tomorrow for development, Today seems a bit less likely because of the forward motion of the system. It's racing, may be too fast for the convection to really stick with it, so chances are still high for development in 48 hours, just not so much today. Still it could reach depression today, but not Storm level.

danielwAdministrator
(Moderator)
Sat Jul 30 2011 01:29 PM
Re: Wave East of Caribbean Likely to Develop Today or Tomorrow

Buoy 41041 is located near 14.1N/ 46.0W and is the closest buoy to 91L. ( It's actually the first buoy that tropical waves encounter after leaving the Coast of Africa.)

41041 should be located within 91L's western periphery and latest data indicates the pressure is falling and the wind speeds are up in the 20 kt range gusting to near 30 kts. Pressure is still on a diurnal cycle but is lower than it has been in the last 5 days.



http://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/station_page.php?station=41041

http://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/maps/Caribbean.shtml

Next Buoy to watch is 41040 at 14.4N/ 53.0 W.
http://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/station_page.php?station=41040&unit=E&tz=STN


typhoon_tip
(Meteorologist)
Sat Jul 30 2011 06:23 PM
Re: Wave East of Caribbean Likely to Develop Today or Tomorrow


As of 2:05pm update there is an 80% probability posted regarding 91L.

It is way too early to assess what impacts this would have on interests at home, but for the Islands ..particularly the Leewards, it would be wise to cover this feature closely. The deep layer analysis shows only minor packages of shear and a generalize deep layer easterly flow during a positive phase of Atlantic subtropical ridge strength. There is also the appearance of a developing U/A anticyclone in the vicinity of 91L. These observations, in general, should provide for a favorable intensification arena for 91L.

One note, 91L is above normal in circulation mass. These types of large systems tend to develop at a slower rate.


danielwAdministrator
(Moderator)
Sun Jul 31 2011 03:09 AM
Re: Wave East of Caribbean Likely to Develop Today or Tomorrow

As Tip noted in the post above. Large systems such as 91L take a bit more time to consolidate and or spin up.
91L covers a large area of the Atlantic Ocean at present. While it's being limited by Saharan Dust to the north and dry air to the west it is retaining it's size.

Current satellite imagery shows that 91L extends from 41W to 56W and from 6N to 18 N. This system's cloud cover could possibly encompass the whole Lesser Antilles Island Group from north to south, at some point in the next three days.
Note: the 31 July 0245Z water vapor image indicates there may be some dry air ingestion on the NW Quadrant of the system. That could put a huge dent in the system.As we saw yesterday with Tropical Storm Don.



Interests in the Lesser Antilles, Virgin Islands, Puerto Rico and westward should pay close attention to this system.

Recon is scheduled to Investigate the system on Sunday Afternoon.


LoisCane
(Veteran Storm Chaser)
Sun Jul 31 2011 05:35 AM
Re: Wave East of Caribbean Likely to Develop Today or Tomorrow

I don't know. I don't think it's just the forward speed, I've seen many a system develop at that speed. I think there is a bit too much dry air, the SIZE of the system is a BIG factor and the water temps should be a bit better very soon. Just with a system this size, there are more factors.

Then again, what I do like is that the structure has maintained itself despite the fast forward speed.

I'm wondering on the models if they turn to the north is based on environmental factors (enjoy the post in the other thread) or an expectation of a stronger system.

Will see but either way it's an impressive system to watch for this time of year or in general.

Haven't checked but don't think dust is a factor but there could be some dust I think.


MikeCAdministrator
(Admin)
Sun Jul 31 2011 11:36 AM
Re: Wave East of Caribbean Likely to Develop Today or Tomorrow

I've added these two recordings:

Martinique Radar Recording 91L Approach (flhurricane)

Long term recording of 91L Floater Water Vapor Imagery (flhurricane)


MikeCAdministrator
(Admin)
Sun Jul 31 2011 11:55 AM
Re: Wave East of Caribbean Likely to Develop Today or Tomorrow

A few days ago a hot tower briefly popped up in Don, but there was too much shear to sustain it, I wanted to mention Towers in the Tempest from NASA, which has several photographs and a few movies detailing the TRIM satellite and what Hot Towers are, and what they indicate for strengthening.

danielwAdministrator
(Moderator)
Sun Jul 31 2011 02:44 PM
Re: Wave East of Caribbean Likely to Develop Today or Tomorrow

It looks like the Buoy 41101 just missed one of 91L's centers.


data courtesy of Meteo France

It appears that there is a surface circulation located near 12N/ 57W. Or just to the east of Barbados. Slightly sheared from the south. The lower cloud circulation is visible just prior to the Sun passing overhead and wiping out the surface sue to sun glint. The circular motion can been seen in the lower portion of the photo below.



edit~danielw: To eliminate confusion. There appear to be 2 slightly separated surface circulations associated with 91L. I'll call them Left and Right as suggested.
The IR photo above is of 91L- Left or the western most circulation. In the bottom portion of the photo, a grey semicircle can be seen. This is drier air and is being injected into the western side of the main 91L system, or 91L- Right


MikeCAdministrator
(Admin)
Sun Jul 31 2011 03:40 PM
Re: Large Wave East of Caribbean Slowly Organizing

The recon plane is on it's way from Saint Croix now.

danielwAdministrator
(Moderator)
Sun Jul 31 2011 04:20 PM
Re: Large Wave East of Caribbean Slowly Organizing

It appears that Recon is headed to intercept the left system, or the one closest to Barbados.
They have just crossed the Lesser Antilles Island of Guadeloupe.


Hugh
(Senior Storm Chaser)
Sun Jul 31 2011 04:33 PM
Re: Large Wave East of Caribbean Slowly Organizing

Quote:

It appears that Recon is headed to intercept the left system, or the one closest to Barbados.
They have just crossed the Lesser Antilles Island of Guadeloupe.




Is it possible that both halves on 91L have closed LLCs? That almost appears to be the case looking at the visible loop of 91L on SSD. Could 91L become two TDs? (I don't think it's likely since the two halves are so close together but they appear to be separating over time)


danielwAdministrator
(Moderator)
Sun Jul 31 2011 04:44 PM
Re: Large Wave East of Caribbean Slowly Organizing

Two systems would explain the split in the models.

Fujiwhara effect.
Western system goes across the islands toward Hispaniola, and the spin from West turns East system toward the NW across the Virgin Islands and north of the Turks and Caicos Islands.


Hugh
(Senior Storm Chaser)
Sun Jul 31 2011 04:56 PM
Re: Large Wave East of Caribbean Slowly Organizing

Quote:

Two systems would explain the split in the models.

Fujiwhara effect.
Western system goes across the islands toward Hispaniola, and the spin from West turns East system toward the NW across the Virgin Islands and north of the Turks and Caicos Islands.




Yeah, I'm familiar with the Fujiwhara effect. I've seen two systems develop simultaneously in the Atlantic before (it's been many years), but I don't remember them ever being this close together. It does explain the model divergence, though.

So much for a peaceful season...


MikeCAdministrator
(Admin)
Sun Jul 31 2011 04:59 PM
Re: Large Wave East of Caribbean Slowly Organizing

From the Puerto Rico Discussion:

Quote:


As far as the tropics go...a wind surge has detached a portion of
what once thought to be part of the tropical wave. Now the
tropical wave being observed for development is behind this surge.
However...this surge ahead of the wave seems to have deeper
convection than the wave itself.

Buoy 41040 has reported sustained winds of 29 mph ...gusts
around 34 mph and seas close to 12 ft. This data was recorded as
the detached portion of the wave went through the buoy.
Also...buoy 41101 east of martinique has reported similar values
with a max sustained wind of 26 mph and gust of 30 mph with seas
of around 10 ft.

The actual system that could be categorized as a depression later
today seems to be struggling a bit with its organization.
However...as it gets closer to our area...it will be over more
favorable environment for development and the national hurricane
center stated that it could become a tropical depression any time
now. We will know more with the reconnaissance aircraft data later
this afternoon. Latest guidance continues to track the tropical cyclone
very close to our area...maybe slightly north on the 12z run than
the 06z run. The 12z run however has several models tracking the
cyclone just over puerto rico...with the center of circulation
making landfall around ponce and exiting through aguadilla...with
an intensity of a strong tropical storm or a weaker hurricane.





WesnWylie
(Weather Guru)
Sun Jul 31 2011 05:19 PM
Re: Large Wave East of Caribbean Slowly Organizing

Are you guys referring to the piece of energy heading toward the Windward Islands, to the west of 91L? There is quite a bit of showers and storms associated with this feature. It remains in lighter shear; however, dry air lies ahead.

scottsvb
(Weather Master)
Sun Jul 31 2011 05:19 PM
Re: Large Wave East of Caribbean Slowly Organizing

12Z Nogaps actually develops the western wave near 58.5W over the anticipated stronger low
near 53W


MikeCAdministrator
(Admin)
Sun Jul 31 2011 05:27 PM
Re: Large Wave East of Caribbean Slowly Organizing

Recon either stopped transmitting the usual high density or the usual systems for transmitting it through the NWS have failed, either way kind of odd.

edit: Just started coming back, but it looks like a few were skipped, must have been a retransmission issue.


Hugh
(Senior Storm Chaser)
Sun Jul 31 2011 05:35 PM
Re: Large Wave East of Caribbean Slowly Organizing

Quote:

Recon either stopped transmitting the usual high density or the usual systems for transmitting it through the NWS have failed, either way kind of odd.





Someone WU blog says it's back now.


danielwAdministrator
(Moderator)
Sun Jul 31 2011 05:50 PM
Re: Large Wave East of Caribbean Slowly Organizing

Quote:

Are you guys referring to the piece of energy heading toward the Windward Islands, to the west of 91L? There is quite a bit of showers and storms associated with this feature. It remains in lighter shear; however, dry air lies ahead.




For those just joining the thread. There appear to be two separate circulations just east of the Lesser Antilles.
West or right circulation is about 60 miles NE of Barbados.
East or left circulation is about 400 miles east of the Lesser Antilles and is referred to as 91L by NHC.
Recon is currently enroute to 91L or the eastern of the two circulations.

Another new circulation has just moved off of the African Coast and has not been designated or numbered.

Recon first wind direction shift at 14.4N/ 55.9W. Wind shifted from ENE to ESE. Could be a shear line or the outer fringes of circulation. This was at 13,000 feet. Still inbound toward 91L-East or right.


LoisCane
(Veteran Storm Chaser)
Sun Jul 31 2011 06:30 PM
Great discussion out of PR

Thats what I had been thinking, but hadn't heard much discussion on it. Granted its a high priority there and if ..and I do mean IF the western wave develops it would change the time frame a lot

There have been systems in the past where the energy from one handed off to the other and the stronger survived, aside from the fuji scenario.


danielwAdministrator
(Moderator)
Sun Jul 31 2011 06:33 PM
Re: Great discussion out of PR

AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE SAN JUAN PR
243 PM AST SUN JUL 31 2011

edited~danielw

...AS FAR AS THE TROPICS GO...A WIND SURGE HAS DETACHED A PORTION OF
WHAT ONCE THOUGHT TO BE PART OF THE TROPICAL WAVE. NOW THE
TROPICAL WAVE BEING OBSERVED FOR DEVELOPMENT IS BEHIND THIS SURGE.
HOWEVER...THIS SURGE AHEAD OF THE WAVE SEEMS TO HAVE DEEPER
CONVECTION THAN THE WAVE ITSELF.

BUOY 41040 HAS REPORTED SUSTAINED WINDS OF 29 MPH ...GUSTS
AROUND 34 MPH AND SEAS CLOSE TO 12 FT. THIS DATA WAS RECORDED AS
THE DETACHED PORTION OF THE WAVE WENT THROUGH THE BUOY.
ALSO...BUOY 41101 EAST OF MARTINIQUE HAS REPORTED SIMILAR VALUES
WITH A MAX SUSTAINED WIND OF 26 MPH AND GUST OF 30 MPH WITH SEAS
OF AROUND 10 FT.

THE ACTUAL SYSTEM THAT COULD BE CATEGORIZED AS A DEPRESSION LATER
TODAY SEEMS TO BE STRUGGLING A BIT WITH ITS ORGANIZATION.
HOWEVER...AS IT GETS CLOSER TO OUR AREA...IT WILL BE OVER MORE
FAVORABLE ENVIRONMENT FOR DEVELOPMENT AND THE NATIONAL HURRICANE
CENTER STATED THAT IT COULD BECOME A TROPICAL DEPRESSION ANY TIME
NOW. WE WILL KNOW MORE WITH THE RECONNAISSANCE AIRCRAFT DATA LATER
THIS AFTERNOON. LATEST GUIDANCE CONTINUES TO TRACK THE TROPICAL CYCLONE
VERY CLOSE TO OUR AREA...MAYBE SLIGHTLY NORTH ON THE 12Z RUN THAN
THE 06Z RUN. THE 12Z RUN HOWEVER HAS SEVERAL MODELS TRACKING THE
CYCLONE JUST OVER PUERTO RICO...WITH THE CENTER OF CIRCULATION
MAKING LANDFALL AROUND PONCE AND EXITING THROUGH AGUADILLA...WITH
AN INTENSITY OF A STRONG TROPICAL STORM OR A WEAKER HURRICANE.



LoisCane
(Veteran Storm Chaser)
Sun Jul 31 2011 06:37 PM
Re: Great discussion out of PR

The Eastern most wave has the better circulation, pretty clear on imagery.

http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/flt/t2/flash-vis.html

I'm also wondering if the front, lead wave somehow helps the wave to the east in that it is no longer dealing with dry air out ahead of it..

Just a thought, more a question


danielwAdministrator
(Moderator)
Sun Jul 31 2011 07:00 PM
Re: Great discussion out of PR

With these Twins it looks like anything is possible.

Recon is still inbound to the eastern circulation 91L. NOAA has an aircraft doing dropsonde measurements, and another USAF Hurricane Hunter is doing dropsondes east of Florida. The AF plane appears to be headed toward St Croix. Non-tasked mission.


LoisCane
(Veteran Storm Chaser)
Sun Jul 31 2011 07:13 PM
Re: Great discussion out of PR

dropsondes east of Florida...well that says a lot

i can see almost anything happening

one can overpower the other rather than a fuji effect but that western wave is really close to the islands

eastern one looks good, except low in convection which was the problem the whole time

when was the last scenario like this, i remember one several years back


Hugh
(Senior Storm Chaser)
Sun Jul 31 2011 07:18 PM
Re: Great discussion out of PR

Recon reports on Google Earth appear to have stopped... at least, for me they have. Either that, or the aircraft is stalled.

LoisCane
(Veteran Storm Chaser)
Sun Jul 31 2011 07:34 PM
Re: Great discussion out of PR

They were having problems earlier as well.

Trying to figure out if this is accurate and would imagine it is but it seems they are putting everything on hold.

I'm more confused than I have ever been and rarely confused .... very complicated situation

http://www.barbadosweather.org/RGwarningstbpb.php


danielwAdministrator
(Moderator)
Sun Jul 31 2011 07:41 PM
Re: Great discussion out of PR

Quote:

Recon reports on Google Earth appear to have stopped... at least, for me they have. Either that, or the aircraft is stalled.




Forgive me. I find it somewhat strange that transmissions from the aircraft ceased just prior to passing thru west system and now the east system too.

They have far too much equipment on the aircraft to lose radio/ data contact. Twice.


LoisCane
(Veteran Storm Chaser)
Sun Jul 31 2011 07:44 PM
Re: Great discussion out of PR

okay so.... what do you think is the matter... however if they had a problem transmitting it would affect them anywhere, no?

what was the last info sent?


danielwAdministrator
(Moderator)
Sun Jul 31 2011 08:05 PM
Re: Great discussion out of PR

I don't understand the problem. Unless it's electrical... moisture shorting out the transmitter when it gets wet in clouds and rain. But that would only explain one radio. Not the whole aircraft.

All of the other flying aircraft data, NOAA and USAF is getting to NHC. AF304 data for 91L is not.

I have an idea, but I'll refrain from posting.


LoisCane
(Veteran Storm Chaser)
Sun Jul 31 2011 08:15 PM
Re: Great discussion out of PR

re: your idea....hope it's something quirky like sunspots

really wanting more info and should be some info coming out....


Hugh
(Senior Storm Chaser)
Sun Jul 31 2011 08:26 PM
Re: Great discussion out of PR

The area that the recon is flying through (the actual 91L) looks like it's completely fallen apart over the last few hours. The area to the west that the recon DIDN'T go into... looks like the dominant area now (but it doesn't look very impressive either). I think it's a bust for now.

Rich B
(British Meteorologist)
Sun Jul 31 2011 08:35 PM
Re: Great discussion out of PR

Looking at the satellite imagery I personally dont see that 91L has / is falling apart. In fact, it looks like new convection is developing and the disturbance seems to be consolidating, with banding features evident. It will probably take a bit longer than originally anticipated to develop as it needs to seperate a bit more from the wave to its west. Either way, with the model support and the environmental conditions we are still likely to see this become TD5 and then probably Emily.

renka
(Registered User)
Sun Jul 31 2011 08:39 PM
Re: Large Wave East of Caribbean Slowly Organizing



Awesome information is posted in this forum. I saw the images that were showing how large the wave is. I am a newby to this forum and was wondering if there was a post that shows how many miles (nautical) (road) that this area covered. It looked huge.


typhoon_tip
(Meteorologist)
Sun Jul 31 2011 08:49 PM
Re: Large Wave East of Caribbean Slowly Organizing

The longer these disparate vorticity maxims interfere with the others ability to become dominant the farther west this entire region will move along with the environmental flow. When/if a TC becomes better organized its vertical structure will then as a whole be more prone to moving along with the steering level wind field, which is probably why many of the models move this through the northern Leewards. There is already a slight north bias of the models recent runs and it may be because they are keying in on the vortex closer to 52w/14n, and by supposition are missing the limiting interaction with the vortex near 58w/13n. Already we begin to question the robustness of the GFDL and HWRF 12z runs, at least in the early time intervals. It seems they are always on a fast bias with the spin up momentum.

My personal belief is that the system near 52/14 will become the dominant of the two, and probably absorb the westerly center based purely on PGF becoming overwhelming and shredding/shearing the low-level vorticity associated with 58/13 (timing all that is next to impossible). The latter cyclone aspect has a clearer and larger mass associated already with its circulation. Caveat, this based purely on satellite observation.

Recon report should be interesting/revealing. Satellite can lie. We have seen plenty of systems with clear and present cyclonic motion in cloud field, but then recon fails to close off circulation, before... It is possible that the west center has a better low level circulation, where the east system has a better elevated/mid level vortex with comparably less low level involvement. In other wods ... a big mess. If that is the case I no longer have a personal belief!


danielwAdministrator
(Moderator)
Sun Jul 31 2011 09:03 PM
Re: Large Wave East of Caribbean Slowly Organizing

SPECIAL TROPICAL WEATHER OUTLOOK
NWS NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
455 PM EDT SUN JUL 31 2011

FOR THE NORTH ATLANTIC...CARIBBEAN SEA AND THE GULF OF MEXICO...

SPECIAL OUTLOOK ISSUED TO UPDATE DISCUSSION OF THE ELONGATED AREA OF
LOW PRESSURE APPROACHING THE LESSER ANTILLES.

UPDATED...COMMUNICATIONS PROBLEMS HAVE LIMITED THE AMOUNT OF DATA
RECEIVED FROM THE AIR FORCE RESERVE AIRCRAFT INVESTIGATING THE
ELONGATED AREA OF LOW PRESSURE LOCATED ABOUT 500 MILES EAST OF THE
NORTHERN WINDWARD ISLANDS. HOWEVER...REPORTS FROM THE AIRCRAFT
...ALONG WITH SATELLITE IMAGERY AND SURFACE OBSERVATIONS...INDICATE
THAT THE SYSTEM DOES NOT YET HAVE A WELL-DEFINED SURFACE
CIRCULATION. A SECOND AREA OF SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS HAS FORMED
TO THE WEST OF THE MAIN DISTURBANCE...AND WILL BRING LOCALLY HEAVY
RAINFALL AND GUSTY WINDS TO PORTIONS OF THE LESSER ANTILLES
TONIGHT. CONDITIONS ARE EXPECTED TO REMAIN FAVORABLE FOR A
TROPICAL DEPRESSION OR TROPICAL STORM TO FORM...AND THIS SYSTEM HAS
A HIGH CHANCE...NEAR 100 PERCENT...OF BECOMING A TROPICAL CYCLONE
DURING THE NEXT 48 HOURS AS IT MOVES WEST-NORTHWESTWARD NEAR 15
MPH. IF THE SYSTEM BECOMES A TROPICAL CYCLONE TONIGHT OR MONDAY
...TROPICAL STORM WATCHES OR WARNINGS WOULD BE ISSUED FOR PORTIONS
OF THE NORTHERN WINDWARD ISLANDS AND THE LEEWARD ISLANDS ON VERY
SHORT NOTICE
...AND INTERESTS IN THESE AREAS SHOULD CLOSELY MONITOR
THE PROGRESS OF THIS SYSTEM.
ANOTHER HURRICANE HUNTER AIRCRAFT IS
SCHEDULED TO INVESTIGATE THIS SYSTEM MONDAY MORNING.

ELSEWHERE...TROPICAL CYCLONE FORMATION IS NOT EXPECTED DURING THE
NEXT 48 HOURS.

$$
FORECASTER BRENNAN/FRANKLIN

Bold emphasis added~ danielw


Hugh
(Senior Storm Chaser)
Sun Jul 31 2011 09:13 PM
Re: Large Wave East of Caribbean Slowly Organizing

Here's a connundrum from the NHC... by definition, a Tropical Storm Warning is : An announcement that tropical storm conditions (sustained winds of 39 to 73 mph) are expected somewhere within the specified area within 36 hours.

The NHC expects a tropical cyclone to form within 48 hours. So, while it has never (to my knowledge) been done before, I do not see any reason NOT to go ahead and put up a tropical storm warning for the areas that are expected to be impacted by what would be Emily. To issue a statement that the warning may be needed with very short notice is a cop-out, even though there is zero precidence for issuance of a tropical storm watch/warning in the absense of a declared tropical cyclone.


Ed DunhamAdministrator
(Former Meteorologist & CFHC Forum Moderator (Ed Passed Away on May 14, 2017))
Sun Jul 31 2011 09:37 PM
Re: Large Wave East of Caribbean Slowly Organizing

I think that by issuing a Special Tropical Weather Outlook the NHC has done a good job of providing the necessary alert. The folks on the Islands are not as dependent as others might be on NHC - if something is heading their way they prepare. By NHC Definition:

Tropical Storm Warning:
An announcement that tropical storm conditions (sustained winds of 39 to 73 mph) are expected somewhere within the specified area within 36 hours.


Tropical Storm Watch:
An announcement that tropical storm conditions (sustained winds of 39 to 73 mph) are possible within the specified area within 48 hours.

Except for flooding, modest TS conditions are usually tolerable - and although I certainly would not recommend such a short notice, even one hour meets the criteria of 'within'.
ED


danielwAdministrator
(Moderator)
Sun Jul 31 2011 10:35 PM
Re: Large Wave East of Caribbean Slowly Organizing

From the NOAA 49 Gulfstream
NOAA9 02EEA SURV OB 16
This is from the NE Quadrant of the 91L east/right system. Dropsonde from 45,000 feet.
I posted the 4 most significant levels at 10000 feet and below.
Location: 496 miles (798 km) to the ENE (60°) from Bridgetown, Barbados

700mb 3,168m (10,394 ft) 9.6°C (49.3°F) Approximately -1°C (30°F) 95° (from the E) 43 knots (49 mph)

850mb 1,528m (5,013 ft) 17.0°C (62.6°F) 15.2°C (59.4°F) 110° (from the ESE) 35 knots (40 mph)

925mb 798m (2,618 ft) 21.4°C (70.5°F) 19.3°C (66.7°F) 95° (from the E) 34 knots (39 mph)

1013mb (29.91 inHg) Sea Level (Surface) 27.6°C (81.7°F) 24.1°C (75.4°F) 90° (from the E) 23 knots (26 mph)

SPLash 16.16N/ 052.10W 2216z


berrywr
(Weather Analyst)
Mon Aug 01 2011 02:15 AM
Re: Large Wave East of Caribbean Slowly Organizing

I took a look at NHC's position and the CIMMS Wnd Shear Analysis; at 31/2345Z the position of 13.5N 53.0W is directly under the 200/300 mb Upper Ridge. As you move west along the upper ridge axis located along 14N latitude winds are 15 knots from the south and along 16N latitude winds aloft increase to near 30 knots from the southwest. A wind surge may be construed as a gust front; outflow boundary from thunderstorms. Overland we have what are called gravity waves...rapid pressure falls creating gradience behind convective complexes which make for some very strong wind conditions followed by rapid pressure increases and winds return to calm/normal. Someone who is more versed with tropical weather may know more about this phenomena than I. This is a broad area and I wouldn't be surprised like Tip mentioned multiple surface & mid-level vortices...a big mess; I agree. In regards to the north bias the models are running it may be in response to the deeping east coast USA longwave trough in the days ahead. There's simply no way to know in the here and now how much amplification there will be of this trough into the tropics.

MikeCAdministrator
(Admin)
Mon Aug 01 2011 12:38 PM
Re: Large Wave East of Caribbean Slowly Organizing

With some visible satellite imagery, it's looking like maybe no development at 11AM, possibly later today, but the split thing has kept it weak, which means it'll likely continue a bit further westward for longer.

metwannabe
(Weather Hobbyist)
Mon Aug 01 2011 02:03 PM
Re: Large Wave East of Caribbean Slowly Organizing

I know model runs are all but useless at this point but they have every scenario on the table from gulf coast to recurve to everything in between, including dissipation...(if I'm looking at them correctly). One thing for sure with each passing day it does not get it's act together gonna make for some interesting days ahead. Also I thought it looked better this morning, I'm guessing that rotation is upper level and still no sign of surface closed off low?

MichaelA
(Weather Analyst)
Mon Aug 01 2011 02:03 PM
Re: Large Wave East of Caribbean Slowly Organizing

It does look iffy as to whether or not there is a defined LLC yet. Maybe later today or tomorrow.

adam s
(Verified CFHC User)
Mon Aug 01 2011 02:12 PM
Re: Large Wave East of Caribbean Slowly Organizing

The longer 91L stays weak the further west the storm will go. If 91L stays weak the greater the chance it may impact the United States.

scottsvb
(Weather Master)
Mon Aug 01 2011 03:24 PM
Re: Large Wave East of Caribbean Slowly Organizing

The very broad center of this is near 12.5N and almost 60W.. moving just north of due west or 280deg.
There is a midlevel vortex in the decay T-Storm cluster around 13.8N and 57.5W

2 Things I want to post here.


1. Most of the models really didnt project this to become defined and more developed until later tonight or on Tuesday once it passed thru the islands.

2. I feel the convection needs to form around 13N and 60W this evening around the broad center for this
to develop moreso...otherwise if this is not developed by Tuesday evening,..history says systems dont like
getting developed in the central carribean till they get past 75W.


Hawkeyewx
(Weather Analyst)
Mon Aug 01 2011 03:36 PM
Re: Large Wave East of Caribbean Slowly Organizing

91L is not well-organized this morning. A weak swirl came out of the overnight convection and is now approaching the Guadeloupe area while the MCV produces some convection and hangs back to the southeast. Currently, there is only southeast surface flow under that MCV, so no development is imminent.

danielwAdministrator
(Moderator)
Mon Aug 01 2011 04:04 PM
Re: Large Wave East of Caribbean Slowly Organizing

I'm just checking in and I'm not sure if this weather is the outer fringes of 91L or part of the MCV. Mesoscale Convective Vortice/ Vortex.
This Airport is reporting the highest sustained wind among all of the Airports in the Lesser Antilles.

Current Weather Conditions:
Hewanorra International Airport, Saint Lucia
(TLPL) 13-45N 060-57W 10M
Conditions at
2011.08.01 1500 UTC
Wind from the ENE (070 degrees) at 21 MPH (18 KT)
Visibility greater than 7 mile(s)
Sky conditions mostly cloudy
Weather Cumulonimbus clouds observed
Temperature 84 F (29 C)
Dew Point 78 F (26 C)
Relative Humidity 83%
Pressure (altimeter) 29.85 in. Hg (1011 hPa)

Other Caribbean Airport Observations may be viewed here.


ANOTHER HURRICANE
HUNTER AIRCRAFT IS SCHEDULED TO INVESTIGATE THE DISTURBANCE THIS
AFTERNOON. IF THE SYSTEM BECOMES A TROPICAL CYCLONE TODAY...
TROPICAL STORM WARNINGS WOULD BE ISSUED FOR PORTIONS OF THE
NORTHERN WINDWARD ISLANDS AND THE LEEWARD ISLANDS ON VERY SHORT
NOTICE. INTERESTS IN THESE AREAS SHOULD CLOSELY MONITOR THE
PROGRESS OF THIS SYSTEM. REGARDLESS OF TROPICAL CYCLONE DEVELOPMENT
OF THIS SYSTEM WILL BRING LOCALLY HEAVY RAINFALL AND GUSTY WINDS TO
PORTIONS OF THE LESSER ANTILLES TODAY AND TONIGHT.


doug
(Weather Analyst)
Mon Aug 01 2011 04:56 PM
Re: Large Wave East of Caribbean Slowly Organizing

The visible does show what may be low level banding around some new convection firing near 15.5/59.5, a rather exposed area NW of the major convective area where a midlevel cyclonic rotation is taking place. The area to the east is also showing signs of conforming to the area mentioned above.
Once this does start to spin up, I think it will become a huge circulation system; there is so much for it to play with, and rather benign conditions in the immediate future.


danielwAdministrator
(Moderator)
Mon Aug 01 2011 05:03 PM
Recon

Recon is airborne and we have a data stream so far.
They released a dropsonde just SE of St Croix and the lower level winds appear to be connected to the tropical wave. I'm not a Met so it's a bit hard to define wave connected winds.

Lower level, below 10,000 feet, of dropsonde information is below.
Coordinates: 17.4N 63.9W
Location: 158 miles (255 km) to the ESE (116°) from San Juan, Puerto Rico (USA)

Significant Wind Levels...
Level Wind Direction Wind Speed
1013mb (Surface) 60° (from the ENE) 21 knots (24 mph)
966mb 60° (from the ENE) 19 knots (22 mph)
943mb 70° (from the ENE) 22 knots (25 mph)
929mb 75° (from the ENE) 18 knots (21 mph)
902mb 75° (from the ENE) 25 knots (29 mph)
** Wave connected winds?? above this line**
875mb 95° (from the E) 19 knots (22 mph)
850mb 90° (from the E) 26 knots (30 mph)
824mb 90° (from the E) 22 knots (25 mph)
814mb 105° (from the ESE) 26 knots (30 mph)
791mb 75° (from the ENE) 23 knots (26 mph)
781mb 90° (from the E) 24 knots (28 mph)
771mb 75° (from the ENE) 28 knots (32 mph)
735mb 90° (from the E) 29 knots (33 mph)
678mb (10,000 ft) 85° (from the E) 30 knots (35 mph)


danielwAdministrator
(Moderator)
Mon Aug 01 2011 05:39 PM
Tropical Forecast Discussion

TROPICAL DISCUSSION - INTERNATIONAL DESKS
NWS HYDROMETEOROLOGICAL PREDICTION CENTER CAMP SPRINGS MD
652 AM EDT MON AUG 01 2011

PRELIMINARY DISCUSSION FOR PUERTO RICO AND THE USVI. AT UPPER
LEVELS...THE SUBEQUATORIAL RIDGE NOW EXTENDS FROM THE TROPICAL
ATLANTIC WESTWARD ACROSS THE ISLAND CHAIN TO THE EASTERN
CARIBBEAN. AT LOW LEVELS...A TROPICAL WAVE/BROAD AREA OF LOW
PRESSURE LIES TO THE EAST OF THE ISLAND CHAIN. THE NHC CONTINUES
TO MONITOR THIS AREA FOR POSSIBILITY OF TROPICAL CYCLOGENESIS.
THIS FEATURE IS GOING TO BE THE FORECAST CHALLENGE...AS IT IS
LIKELY TO SUSTAIN ORGANIZED CONVECTION ACROSS THE EASTERN
CARIBBEAN ISLES.

ALOFT...THE MODELS SHOW SUBEQUATORIAL RIDGE BECOMING WELL
ESTABLISHED THROUGH THURSDAY MORNING...TO ANCHOR AT 250 HPA ON A
CLOSED HIGH JUST SOUTH OF PUERTO RICO. LATER IN THE WEEK IT WILL
THEN MERGE WITH THE SUBTROPICAL RIDGE AS THE LATTER BUILDS ACROSS
THE EASTERN USA TO THE WESTERN ATLANTIC. AS THE RIDGE
PERSISTS/BECOME BETTER ESTABLISHED...IT WILL CONTINUE VENTING DEEP
CONVECTION IN ASSOCIATION WITH SYSTEM ENTERING THE ISLAND CHAIN.
CONVECTIVE ACTIVITY IS TO START ACROSS THE VIRGIN ISLANDS TOMORROW
AFTERNOON...AND MAINLAND PUERTO RICO DURING THE LATE
EVENING/MORNING HOURS. THE GLOBAL GUIDANCE SHOWS MAXIMA OF FOUR TO
SIX INCHES WITH THIS SYSTEM...WITH REGIONAL NAM PEAKING AT EIGHT
TO TEN INCHES. LOOKS LIKE MOST INTENSE IS GOING TO BE ACROSS THE
VIRGIN ISLES-EASTERN/SOUTHERN PUERTO RICO.

DEPENDING ON HOW QUICKLY IT ORGANIZES...THIS SYSTEM MIGHT END UP
ESTABLISHING A MOIST INFLOW AS IT TAPS INTO THE ATLANTIC ITCZ. THE
MOIST FLUX COULD LAST INTO THURSDAY MORNING...IF NOT LONGER. SO WE
COULD BE FACING 48-60 HRS OF ORGANIZED ACTIVITY. THIS IS GOING TO
BE HEAVY RAINS OVER AN AREA THAT IS SATURATED FROM PREVIOUS
EVENTS. IT IS NOT GOING TO TAKE MUCH TO GENERATE LARGE SCALE
FLOODING.

NEELY...BDM (THE BAHAMAS)
DAVISON...NCEP (USA)


danielwAdministrator
(Moderator)
Mon Aug 01 2011 05:47 PM
Preliminary Extended Forecast Discussion

PRELIMINARY EXTENDED FORECAST DISCUSSION
NWS HYDROMETEOROLOGICAL PREDICTION CENTER CAMP SPRINGS MD
954 AM EDT MON AUG 01 2011 (edited~danielw)

VALID 12Z FRI AUG 05 2011 - 12Z MON AUG 08 2011

...THE MODELS ARE ALSO STRUGGLING TO RESOLVE A POTENTIAL TROPICAL
SYSTEM ORIGINATING FROM AN AREA OF LOW PRESSURE CURRENTLY IN THE
VICINITY OF 55-60W LONGITUDE.

OPERATIONAL MODEL TRACKS RANGE FROM
THE CENTRAL GULF IN THE 00Z UKMET TO E OF THE FL PENINSULA IN THE
00Z GFS/ECMWF.

YESTERDAYS NHC/HPC COORDINATED TRACK TO THE E OF THE
NORTHERN BAHAMAS BY DAY 6 SUN IS NOW EASTWARD OF THE CURRENT MODEL ENVELOPE.

PREFER TO AWAIT TODAYS 17Z COORDINATION FOR ANY SIGNIFICANT
CHANGES... WITH THE UPDATED PRELIM FORECAST DEPICTING ONLY A MODEST
WESTWARD ADJUSTMENT BETWEEN CONTINUITY AND THE 00Z GFS/ECMWF ALONG WITH
STRENGTH SIMILAR TO CONTINUITY.
CONSULT THE LATEST NHC TROPICAL
WEATHER OUTLOOK FOR FURTHER INFO REGARDING THIS FEATURE.


scottsvb
(Weather Master)
Mon Aug 01 2011 06:21 PM
Re: Preliminary Extended Forecast Discussion

Starting to get a LLC around 15.2N and 60.4W as of this post.
Radar showing a weak circulation along with satellite vis.. but the west
wind is very weak and light right now out to a few miles. Probably will
expand with more convection later this evening. I feel the recon will
head back to this area in 1-2hrs and this might be enough to classify
this as a Tropical Storm.. around 50mph.. pressure.. right now 1007mb
but could be down 1-2more by then.


Hawkeyewx
(Weather Analyst)
Mon Aug 01 2011 06:24 PM
Re: Preliminary Extended Forecast Discussion

The surface spin that shot out from the convective debris this morning is now the center of 91L. This morning the convection was firing around the MCV, but that has hung back to the southeast and will dissipate. New convection is trying to catch up with the surface center, but the environment(dry air, shear) is not idea at the moment.

scottsvb
(Weather Master)
Mon Aug 01 2011 06:35 PM
Re: Preliminary Extended Forecast Discussion

I dont think the shear will be much of a player vs the drier air in the carribean.. but the carribean
is suppose to moisten up some over the next 12-36hrs before landfall in Hispaniola-Cuba


danielwAdministrator
(Moderator)
Mon Aug 01 2011 06:51 PM
Re: Preliminary Extended Forecast Discussion

At this time it doesn't appear the Recon will be able to close off a circulation. They have made a full pass through the system from NW to SE.
Wind direction and speed data have a trough like appearance, so far. Recon is headed back toward the NW, and what would be the center of the current system.

Latest point:
Time: 18:45:00Z
Coordinates: 14.7N 59.5833W
Acft. Static Air Press: 975.8 mb (~ 28.82 inHg)
Acft. Geopotential Hgt: 287 meters (~ 942 feet)
Extrap. Sfc. Press: 1008.3 mb (~ 29.78 inHg)
D-value: -
Flt. Lvl. Wind (30s): From 99° at 19 knots (From the E at ~ 21.8 mph)
Air Temp: 23.7°C (~ 74.7°F)
Dew Pt: 16.4°C (~ 61.5°F)
Peak (10s) Flt. Lvl. Wind: 21 knots (~ 24.1 mph)
SFMR Peak (10s) Sfc. Wind: 24 knots (~ 27.6 mph)
SFMR Rain Rate: 2 mm/hr (~ 0.08 in/hr)


adam s
(Verified CFHC User)
Mon Aug 01 2011 07:04 PM
Re: Preliminary Extended Forecast Discussion

Invest 91L is really looking impressive on the latest satellite loop. I expect at the 5pm update this afternoon that Invest 91L will be upgraded to a tropical depression.

danielwAdministrator
(Moderator)
Mon Aug 01 2011 07:49 PM
Depression

I'm not sure they will be able to find what they are looking for. A closed Low level center.
Latest Recon data indicates they may have found a center just east of the following position.
They were able to find a wind shift from the NW to NE. Which is one of the requirements for closing off a Low.

Time: 19:21:30Z
Coordinates: 15.0167N 60.9833W
Acft. Static Air Press: 976.0 mb (~ 28.82 inHg)
Acft. Geopotential Hgt: 279 meters (~ 915 feet)
Extrap. Sfc. Press: 1007.4 mb (~ 29.75 inHg)
D-value: -
Flt. Lvl. Wind (30s): From 343° at 9 knots (From the NNW at ~ 10.3 mph)
Air Temp: 23.9°C (~ 75.0°F)
Dew Pt: 22.7°C (~ 72.9°F)
Peak (10s) Flt. Lvl. Wind: 10 knots (~ 11.5 mph)


metwannabe
(Weather Hobbyist)
Mon Aug 01 2011 08:22 PM
Re: Depression

It just seems to be moving too fast to develop.....that low level swirl appears to keep "shooting" out ahead of the convection.

Bloodstar
(Moderator)
Mon Aug 01 2011 08:24 PM
Re: Depression

I has the winds, and a nominally closed low, but I think the organization isn't sufficient to declare it a Tropical Storm. The surface feature is located west of the midlevel feature, and the battle between the two features is what's stopping the system from consolidating.

Rich B
(British Meteorologist)
Mon Aug 01 2011 08:40 PM
Re: Depression

System will be classified at 2100z, advisories will be initiated on TS Emily

Hawkeyewx
(Weather Analyst)
Mon Aug 01 2011 08:51 PM
Re: Depression

Recon just finally found some 10-15 mph west wind on the south side of the surface vort, so I suppose they could upgrade if they want. The convective organization is still lousy, though.

MikeCAdministrator
(Admin)
Mon Aug 01 2011 08:58 PM
Re: Depression

I'm not quite sure what triggered our system to flag a pending advisory, it may actually be because of the recon, but I'll have to track it down, either way with the recon data it's fairly likely to happen any moment.

edit: I reset it manually for now.


danielwAdministrator
(Moderator)
Mon Aug 01 2011 09:01 PM
Re: Depression

It looks like they have indeed closed off a Center.
It's just offshore of the islands of Martinique and Dominica.

Last hour observations from the islands.




Map courtesy of NWS San Juan,PR


WeatherNut
(Weather Master)
Mon Aug 01 2011 09:38 PM
Re: Depression

The LLC looks like it will go directly over Dominica...so date from there should be helpful in establishing a wind shift

Ed DunhamAdministrator
(Former Meteorologist & CFHC Forum Moderator (Ed Passed Away on May 14, 2017))
Mon Aug 01 2011 09:46 PM
Geography and Other Things

Using the NHC 01/18Z position for the center and latest visual images, the center of Invest 91L is, at 01/21Z, passing between the islands of Dominica to the south and Guadeloupe to the north. At 01/21Z, the winds at Melville Hall Airport on Dominica were out of the east at 23 knots. The other reported light westerly winds on some of the other islands are a result of local terrain effects. The recon did find a couple of westerly winds of 5 to 7 knots, but nowhere near enough to justify an upgrade of this system to tropical cyclone status - especially when measured against the strong easterly winds on Dominica.

Realistically the system looks horrible compared to yesterday (and it looked bad then). If you had taken your first look at this system just now, would you have assigned it an 80% chance for near-term 48hr development? Even at 80% (a number that has been going down) there is still a 20% chance that it will not develop soon. Based on the disorganization of the system the development chances still seem too high and TC status is not likely tonight.

The LLCC is still moving rapidly west northwestward at 18 knots. There is still a zone of westerly shear and dry air between 18N-23N that will hamper development. It still has a chance to become a named system, but probably not an overly strong one.
ED


MikeCAdministrator
(Admin)
Mon Aug 01 2011 10:16 PM
Re: Geography and Other Things

If you want to compare the radar with 91L to a category 1 hurricane, here is a radar recording of Hurricane Tomas from last year around the same area 91L is now.

Then look at the radar recording from 91L that is still ongoing.

Tomas went south of St. Lucia, 91L's center is just north of Dominica.

The wave is still pretty disorganized which makes it all more likely for it to go west for now


MikeCAdministrator
(Admin)
Mon Aug 01 2011 10:25 PM
Re: Geography and Other Things

Advisory alert triggered again, this time from best track so it seems more legitimate, most likely straight to Emily.

danielwAdministrator
(Moderator)
Mon Aug 01 2011 10:35 PM
Tropical Storm Emily

AL0511 2011080118?? 15.1N/ 60.5W 1006mb EMILY
Best track and others at 2224Z


Joeyfl
(Weather Guru)
Mon Aug 01 2011 10:49 PM
Re: Tropical Storm Emily

It starting to look a little better on satellite with storms trying to build/wrap into the center, also last frame or two it looks better on French Antilles Radar . I would suspect an depression/possibly weak TS soon. Also noted that the navy site is listing it as 5L on their site..

Joeyfl
(Weather Guru)
Mon Aug 01 2011 11:31 PM
Re: Tropical Storm Emily

Looks like we could have Emily shortly, 8pm? If what Iam hearing from others is correct.

danielwAdministrator
(Moderator)
Mon Aug 01 2011 11:49 PM
Re: Tropical Storm Emily

Tropical Storm Emily was named a few minutes ago.
New thread is up please post there....

http://flhurricane.com/cyclone/showflat....;gonew=1#UNREAD



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