Shalafi
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I don't think I'm asking too much..I just want to at least be able to understand terms being used. I checked out the glossary page and it is missing a lot of terms I would like to understand. Those 3 letter acronyms thrown around for one thing... SST? LLC? or whatever. I will say tho I have learned a lot and now to my friends and coworkers think I know a lot which is funny but I'll take what I can get. I work at Florida Hospital so I'd really like to know if I'm going to have to pack for 3 days for the next storm ahead of time but I guess mother nature just doesn't want to abide by my wishes...
Ivan hanging a U turn and coming back down and now in the GOM (one acronym I figured out )  seemingly spinning is just amazing to me. I guess I shouldn't be so excited about potentially fatal storms but man are they fun to watch...
Mike I'll donate again when I get paid this week. I just don't feel like I've donated enough. Thank you all!
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LI Phil
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After seeing the death count in Hispaniola, most of which was in Haiti (they can't catch a break this year), I'm wondering if will retire Jeanne this year as well as the three we know are already gone. The unnamed TS (in my opinion) in May already extracted quite a toll, this just adds to the misery.
Now she may threaten US shores. Haven't we all had enough already...
Could you imagine if the son of reforms and hits the panhandle? Good god.
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clueless
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sno-cone anyone?
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Fletch
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After seeing the death count in Hispaniola, most of which was in Haiti (they can't catch a break this year), I'm wondering if will retire Jeanne this year as well as the three we know are already gone. The unnamed TS (in my opinion) in May already extracted quite a toll, this just adds to the misery.
Now she may threaten US shores. Haven't we all had enough already...
Could you imagine if the son of reforms and hits the panhandle? Good god.
I think Jeanne, and will be retired. I'm not sure about
It does show you that a TS can be just as deadly as a Hurricane.
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clueless
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How many names typically get retired in a year? I know there is nothing typical about this year, but it almost seems like it would be easier to just come up with a whole new batch (Hey maybe that is it - the ocmbinations of names have caused... Oh never mind)
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scottsvb
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Jeanne wont be retired unless it reaches a cat 3 which I feel will happen off the eastern U.S.
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leetdan
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Maybe it's just this batch, the same from which Andrew and Mitch among others were drawn 
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Fletch
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Jeanne wont be retired unless it reaches a cat 3 which I feel will happen off the eastern U.S.
I disagree. One of the factors for retirement is loss of life. I fear those numbers may hit 1000 before all is said and done. If that doesn't qualify for retirement they should stop the retirement process.
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Don't see how they (nhc) can use that arguement when they brought back Mitch days later from some leftover rain.
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doug
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just read the tropical discussion and that casts doubt on good ole Jeanne and it continued intensification called it ragged and exposed to verticle shear...
It did not even mention son of per se except to call it a low off Naples subject to westerly shear caused by an ULL over the Bay of Campeche...called the moisture line feeding into that low from the vicinity ot Jeanne a "front" (trough)...
I don't think this was the best discussion I've ever read.
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Fletch
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Did anybody notice if there was much of a pressure change as the circulation crossed Florida?
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Domino
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The buoy located near the convective blob off the coast of Naples has had some lower pressures today. Right now it's at 1012mb and dropping in the last hour.
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leetdan
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I don't have my own weather station up (yet), but HERE is Richie's data in Boynton from yesterday. You can see it trending down in the few days leading up to yesterday, and it bottomed out mid-afternoon (still above 1009 millibars). It's been slowly creeping up since then, but definitely seems to have been associated with the remnants passing back over the peninsula.
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Ed in Va
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Question about the HPC discussion below, which takes Jeanne fairly close to NC: What is the relationship between HPC and TPC...looks like they coordinate with other, but the HPC goes out 7 days??
THE 12Z HAS COME IN LOOKING VERY MUCH LIKE THE PREFERRED MODEL
SOLN FROM THE PRELIM PROGS. DID NOT MAKE SIG CHANGES TO THE
TIMING OF SYSTEMS OVER THE WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE
TROP SYSTEMS. THE IS TRENDING WEAKER BUT CONSIDERABLY
SLOWER WITH THE UPR TROF OVER THE CNTRL EARLY IN THE PD
WHILE THE CAN GLOB IS TRENDING STRONGER AND SLOWER BY DAY 3/FRI.
THE TIMING OF THIS TROF WILL GREATLY INFLUENCE THE TRACK/TIMING OF
BOTH HRCN JEANNE AND THE REMNANTS OF IN THE GOMEX. WITH BOTH
OF THESE MODELS TRENDING SLOWER WITH THE TROF...ONE WOULD THINK A
STRONGER SOLN WOULD WIN OUT...BUT BOTH MODELS ALLOW THE TROF TO
LIFT OUT AND SEND JEANNE TO THE S OF THE H5 RIDGE INTO THE
CAROLINAS. MEANWHILE...THE TROPICAL POINTS FROM THE UKMET SEND THE
SYS WELL OUT TO SEA BY DAY 6/MON...WITH A PSN AT 33.2N 70.0W...AND
THE 12Z STILL REFUSES TO TAKE THE SYSTEM WEST OF 70N. THE
OFFICIAL TRACK IS VERY SIMILAR TO THE 00Z THRU DAY 5/SUN
WHICH WAS AMPLIFIED AND HAD A SIMILAR TIMING TO THE 00Z
GFS...ALLOWING JEANNE TO THE PICKED UP BY THE TROF. THE 06Z
ENS MEAN ALLOWS FOR A SLIGHTLY SLOWER...BUT STILL REASONABLY
STRONG...H5 RIDGE APPROACHING JEANNE. THE ULTIMATE SOLN...WHICH
WAS AGREED UPON DURING COORD WITH TPC...ALLOWED FOR A MUCH MORE
WLY SOLN THAN THE 00Z AFTER DAY 6/MON...BUT DOES NOT TAKE
THE SYS ONSHORE ON DAY 7/TUES. THIS MORE CLOSELY RESEMBLES THE
IDEA OF THE PRELIM PROGS WHICH WERE A COMPROMISE BETWEEN THE 00Z
GFS AND THE SLOWER ENS MEAN SOLN.
THE MODELS ARE IN POOR AGREEMENT WITH THE REMNANTS OF
CURRENTLY OVER THE ERN GOMEX ATTM. THE MANUAL PROGS REFLECT COORD
WITH TPC.
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Domino
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Here is a plot of the wind speed and pressures found at that buoy off the coast of naples. Certainly something going on there. Steady drop in pressure and steady increase in sustained winds. 25kn now..
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LI Phil
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TPC hands the storm off to HPC when it becomes or a remnant low.
scott...where do you see Jeanne becoming a CAT III and do you foresee a US strike?
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Bloodstar
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1800Z T numbers for Invest 93 are 2.0/2.0 (though as a disclaimer I've read that the T numbers are notoriously unreliable for weak and new systems...) just an FYI.
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Rasvar
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I would say it is an absolute certainty that Jeanne will be retired. Here is a comment from the FAQ on the 's site about name retirement.
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In the Atlantic basin, tropical cyclone names are "retired" (that is, not to be used again for a new storm) if it is deemed to be quite noteworthy because of the damage and/or deaths it caused
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Domino
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T-Numbers on that system behind Lisa are up to 2.0. Looks like we may have TD14.
As for ovich...looks like the tops are getting sheered right off so it may have to wait..
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Katie
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Did anybody notice if there was much of a pressure change as the circulation crossed Florida?
I am not a weather "professional" but would the horrible pressure in my head that came on late yesterday through this morning be any sign of the pressure dropping in that storm? It was horrible. I had the same during just before it passed right over us. It came on so quickly and so strong, it hurt to open my eyes. Would those weather patterns have that kind of effect?
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