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RedingtonBeachGuy
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Generator [Re: LI Phil]
      #31159 - Fri Sep 24 2004 09:58 PM

Sam's Club has generators up there. If that doesn't work, I have a Coleman 5,000 watt he could use and I e-mailed him about it. My only problem is I can't get it to him until Tuesday which sounds too late. If he wants to buy it instead (new in box), I paid $468 plus tax for it and it's still in the box (box is torn a bit though). But, big question - does he need 'clean' power for the medical equipment?

whoops - sorry - missed the all clear post he made.

Edited by RedingtonBeachGuy (Fri Sep 24 2004 10:00 PM)


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Re: Hurricane Warnings Up from Florida City to St. Augustine [Re: Terri]
      #31160 - Fri Sep 24 2004 10:00 PM

I would make that drive if I hadn't worked it out. You are amazing thank you so much!
Now I just need to decide if that road trip would be enough fun

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Re: Generator [Re: RedingtonBeachGuy]
      #31161 - Fri Sep 24 2004 10:02 PM

Saw Tom Terry(Channel 9 O-Town) discussing the GFDL/GFS/UKMET/NOGAPS models. He threw out the GFDL which still had Jeanne making the turn off the coast. Also, said he was shying away from the GFS because both of them(that and the GFDL) have had problems handling the high pressure ridge, and they've both had Jeanne moving much slower at this point in time. Basically he was saying a combination of the NOGAPS/UKMET and even the ETA(though he said it too is not as reliable with tropical systems) could pan out to be the best track. He was definitely emphasizing that everyone keep an eye on any type of shift to the west.

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Edited by AgentB (Fri Sep 24 2004 10:02 PM)


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1800Z ETA.. south fl [Re: AgentB]
      #31162 - Fri Sep 24 2004 10:05 PM

http://www.meteo.psu.edu/~gadomski/ETA_18z/eta36.html

ETA has it in south fl in 36 hours.... for what its worth

other source for models...

http://www.meteo.psu.edu/~gadomski/ewall.html


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Breeezy
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Re: Generator [Re: AgentB]
      #31163 - Fri Sep 24 2004 10:05 PM

Where does the NOGAPS and UKMET take it?

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SoonerShawn
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Upper low in BOC [Re: AgentB]
      #31164 - Fri Sep 24 2004 10:06 PM

I hope it doesn't ever work down to the surface because it looks to be moving ENE towards Florida. It will more than likely push some of that moisture towards Florida anyway.

Dec 1 can't come quick enough this year!


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nandav
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Re: Generator [Re: AgentB]
      #31165 - Fri Sep 24 2004 10:06 PM

So even SW Florida is hardly out of the clear yet... even if we just get the tropical storm-type winds... Guess I'll have to stay tuned!

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Jeanne Track [Re: MikeC]
      #31166 - Fri Sep 24 2004 10:11 PM

Did anyone see the 18Z GFS? It has Jeanne hitting WPB to the north side of Lake O, & then north up the center of the state.. a definite west shift...& by the way..the 12 Z GFDL looks out to lunch..

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Re: Hurricane Warnings Up from Florida City to St. Augustine [Re: Unregistered User]
      #31167 - Fri Sep 24 2004 10:12 PM

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The winds in Tampa barely reached 40 mph from Frances by the time it got there from the east coast.




Frances actually held together quite well over the peninsula for such a slow moving system...probably due to its large size. My location in Pinellas County received 55mph gusts from Frances. What most people missed (and was under-reported by the media) was the onshore SW winds when Frances entered the GOM. I recorded a wind gust of 70mph at Madeira Beach along the Pinellas County coastline with a hand-held anemometer.

Jeanne is a faster moving system than Frances. As a result, if it does traverse the peninsula, it will maintain a higher intensity farther inland than Frances did. This will especially be true if Jeanne landfalls as a stronger storm than Frances. If Frances moves farther south than the current official track, the Tampa Bay area could receive even worse conditions than it did from Frances.

Ronn

Edited by Ronn (Fri Sep 24 2004 10:21 PM)


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Jeanne - NHC Advisory 45 [Re: MikeC]
      #31168 - Fri Sep 24 2004 10:16 PM

Latest path up close & personal

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Re: Something real strange will have to happen [Re: Frank P]
      #31169 - Fri Sep 24 2004 10:19 PM

True, Frank... the faster Jeanne moves the more lilklihood for it to strike slightly further south and penetrate well into the peninsula.

Last night I felt that some folks were stretching things when they predicted a GOM reentry. With Jeanne speeding up and the center of the high continuing a push southward, as noted in the NHC update, this is no longer looking too far fetched.

IMO, those comments in the NHC 5:00 p.m. discussion have set up a possible westward track revision in the next update or two.

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Re: Hurricane Warnings Up from Florida City to St. Augustine [Re: Ronn]
      #31170 - Fri Sep 24 2004 10:20 PM

I Concur - i live in hernando bch (40 m north of clearwater) - i had gusts from Frances to near hurricane force from the north on day1 and from the south on day 2. 71 mph from my roof mounted anometer. 12 in of rain . 28.91 in lowest pressure.. jeanne will be stronger, move quicker, and i'm afraid higher wind damage

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Re: Hurricane Warnings Up from Florida City to St. Augustine [Re: Ronn]
      #31171 - Fri Sep 24 2004 10:20 PM

my home had 40 year old concrete tile ripped from the roof in Frances in what our insurance company suggested was an 85 mph down burst. So, you are right.. people shouldn't think that just because the eyewall isn't right over their head they won't see wind related problems. They might. Thanks for the reality check Ronn.

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Re: Jeanne Track [Re: RONJON]
      #31172 - Fri Sep 24 2004 10:20 PM

Yes, and the 18Z GFS is continuing its own trend of going left.
I think it is finally starting to catch on, and will not be surprised to see the track stay farther inland than currently forecast. N.C. could be in the right quad, and they have had their own problems this year also. A farther inland track would cause more weakening, but nobody up here needs heavy rains either. A prolonged period of onshore winds will likely pile up on the south-facing beaches of N.C. For those farther north, another heavy rain event.
Florida sees it first, and maybe strongest, the rest of the coast should feel it also.


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Re: Hurricane Warnings Up from Florida City to St. Augustine [Re: Ronn]
      #31173 - Fri Sep 24 2004 10:21 PM

Bryan Norcros' conversation with Max Mayfield makes a more concerned now about PBC/Broward area. Mayfield just said "I feel better now than before about having the Hurricane Warnings down to Florida City."

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Re: Hurricane Warnings Up from Florida City to St. Augustine [Re: MikeC]
      #31174 - Fri Sep 24 2004 10:23 PM

This storm just keeps on amazing me. Jeanne's over the water temp that could support a tropical storm but yet it's mataining everything all so well. This storm is exteremly efficent at maintaining itself, It's really going to strengthen once it's over the Gulf stream.

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Re: Hurricane Warnings Up from Florida City to St. Augustine [Re: Keith234]
      #31176 - Fri Sep 24 2004 10:32 PM

My interpretation from that last interview is that the NHC is realizing the strength of that high might actually jive with the NOGAPS et al. model solutions. Their jets and weather stations across the Southeast US have been sending baloons and sensors into the high pressure this afternoon and into this evening.

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Re: Hurricane Warnings Up from Florida City to St. Augustine [Re: Keith234]
      #31177 - Fri Sep 24 2004 10:33 PM

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This storm just keeps on amazing me. Jeanne's over the water temp that could support a tropical storm but yet it's mataining everything all so well. This storm is exteremly efficent at maintaining itself, It's really going to strengthen once it's over the Gulf stream.


Using the car analogy; It takes less gas to maintain highway speed than to accellerate to that speed. So, it doesn't take as much heat to maintain or only gradually weaken (coasting) than it would to build it to the same level. While Jeanne couldn't build to its current level with those temps, it might 'coast' down quite slowly. As it isn't really fighting shear or other killers, it seems likely this is why.

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Re: Hurricane Warnings Up from Florida City to St. Augustine [Re: Ricreig]
      #31178 - Fri Sep 24 2004 10:34 PM

Outflow seems to be looking better.

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Re: Hurricane Warnings Up from Florida City to St. Augustine [Re: Justin in Miami]
      #31179 - Fri Sep 24 2004 10:40 PM

Justin in Miami,

They always send weather baloons up at weather stations, where do you think they get the isobars, isotherms and all that other good stuff? The NOGAPS and UKMET are yes trending to the stronger side with the ridge but then you have the GFS/AVN with the weaker side to it. My forecast is a hybird of the UKMET and the GFS because the GFS likes to break down ridges out of no where and cause a whole bunch of problems. The UKMET is has a general rightward bias and sometimes makes ridges stronger then they normally are but it is an overall good model with thermodynamics and everything.

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