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Wanna-Be-Storm-Chaser
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Re: superstition [Re: HanKFranK]
      #48998 - Wed Aug 24 2005 01:39 PM

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just an aside, but Katrina was the name i picked off the list back when we had the poll on which named looked scariest. i picked one that looked like it would come about in later august.
noticed that my forecast intensity is the highest i've heard anywhere. now i look like chicken little. want to applaud everybody for not cat 5'ing the situation.
HF 1322z24august




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Re: South Fl... [Re: Ron Basso]
      #48999 - Wed Aug 24 2005 01:40 PM

I have been reading this boeard for quite some time, thanks for the great site! I have been looking at the FSU Met site quite a bit this year, and am wondering what some of the different model types (950mb Vorticity, Theta E, shear, Zonal Shear, etc) mean. When gathering data for predictions, what model types are more often used?

Tom


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Re: South Fl... [Re: TomKuhn]
      #49001 - Wed Aug 24 2005 01:44 PM

Has anyone looked at the CMC model? What the heck is that?

cmc model

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Re: South Fl... [Re: Wanna-Be-Storm-Chaser]
      #49002 - Wed Aug 24 2005 01:45 PM

Is that what you are referring to Katrina?

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Re: South Fl... [Re: Tazmanian93]
      #49004 - Wed Aug 24 2005 01:48 PM

Isn't that Katrina? Look at the GFS one too.

gfs model

click the forward button on the right

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Edited by Wanna-Be-Storm-Chaser (Wed Aug 24 2005 01:49 PM)


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Re: superstition [Re: Hootowl]
      #49005 - Wed Aug 24 2005 01:49 PM

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HF
It's the name I picked too.
Go back a few posts and read Ron Basso's post. I saw a model a few days ago that hinted at the same thing. Cross SE Fl, up the coast and back in again north of Tampa. Wish I could remember which model it was.
Is there a chance this could happen??? I am not good at reading the set up for what will/won't "direct" this storm.
Help please.

Thanks!

Dotty, it was the CMC (Canadian) model. This particular model is noted for rapidly overdeveloping tropical cyclones and so the results of strength need to be viewed with caution. My point earlier is that the new GFS model has now swung to this track. Given the disparity in the models once it gets into the GOM, its a wait and see mode. The UKMET and NOGAPS models take the system more W-NW into the north-central GOM with time.

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Re: superstition [Re: Ron Basso]
      #49008 - Wed Aug 24 2005 01:57 PM

those models are strengthening the storm a little much for how close to/over land they keep it. whats funny is that the models keeping it more over water don't strengthen it as much. the NHC solution is a good compromise, because it makes a lot more sense.
force, please do not reference Andrew. just as soon as i comment on how nobody was cat 5-ing... you have to go do that. if you're going to imply that an extreme hurricane is in the works, support your idea with some real facts.
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Re: superstition [Re: Ed in Va]
      #49009 - Wed Aug 24 2005 02:00 PM

What do you mean by a shift to the right? Are you talking about the storm's right?

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Re: superstition [Re: HanKFranK]
      #49010 - Wed Aug 24 2005 02:01 PM

http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/PS/TROP/DATA/RT/float-wv-loop.html

looks like Katrina has good banding and outflow going.
Wouldn't surprise me to see a Hurricane by 11pm tonight.


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Re: superstition [Re: HanKFranK]
      #49012 - Wed Aug 24 2005 02:01 PM

Is there any information on how the weakness in the ridge is doing? Is it trending weaker or beginning to fill in?

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Re: superstition [Re: Beach]
      #49013 - Wed Aug 24 2005 02:04 PM

From that infrared shot I would think Katrina is moving more to the N-NW from what I am seeing.

I am eager to read the 11AM update.

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Re: superstition [Re: Beaumont, TX]
      #49014 - Wed Aug 24 2005 02:06 PM

The storm is looking more conservative !
Actually, the models have moved to the east (right):
http://www.sfwmd.gov/org/omd/ops/weather/plots/storm_12.gif
In addition, climatology does not favor a GOM solution:
http://www.wunderground.com/tropical/tracking/at200512_climo.html

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Katrina [Re: HanKFranK]
      #49015 - Wed Aug 24 2005 02:08 PM

The inhibiting factor for Katrina was well posted on this site..especially by Hank Frank. It is the dry air on the west side....

IF Katrina gets in the gulf as a hurricane....about the only thing I can think about is the timing....AUGUST....

the weather forecast for Mobile today is 92-95 degrees, and a heat index of 107.

factor that in our what if scenario...

Camille was in August
Andrew was in August
this is August, and it's awfully hot outside....


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Re: superstition [Re: Fletch]
      #49016 - Wed Aug 24 2005 02:09 PM

The NOAA Gulfstream is going out to do Atmospheric soundings and that data will be added to the model runs. This should give a good indication on the Strength of the Ridge. It should start effecting tonights model runs.

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Re: superstition [Re: Fletch]
      #49017 - Wed Aug 24 2005 02:11 PM

Here is a wonderful site that shows many levels and also 5 day. First Link is the site and the second is the 5 day.

http://cimss.ssec.wisc.edu/tropic/real-time/atlantic/winds/winds-dlm.html

http://cimss.ssec.wisc.edu/tropic/real-time/atlantic/movies/wg8dlm1/wg8dlm1java.html

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Re: superstition [Re: HanKFranK]
      #49018 - Wed Aug 24 2005 02:14 PM

HF,

I wasn't trying to alarm anyone, but wanted to show that Katrina is in the same body of water as Andrew was in, perhaps a little farther south of Andrew, but I was trying to reference the SST's and the shearing enviro is the ingrediants for perhaps a more rapid intenseification of Katrina as Andrew did in these same waters. The NHC also puts that comment in their discussion as well for perhaps rapid intensification. That is all I was trying to relay.
andrew was coming rapidly west and already an extreme hurricane as it went over the northern bahamas. the waters near the islands actually aren't very deep in spite of their warmth, and won't support a slow-mover as well as a speeding Andrew. it will get stronger, but there isn't time for it to get very strong, anyway. -HF

Edited by HanKFranK (Wed Aug 24 2005 02:19 PM)


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Re: superstition [Re: The Force 2005]
      #49022 - Wed Aug 24 2005 02:23 PM

Is the ridge what is showing in the black to the NW of the storm and what will theoretically push it west..doesn't it look like it's breaking down?
http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/PS/TROP/DATA/RT/float-wv-loop.html

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Re: superstition [Re: Ed in Va]
      #49024 - Wed Aug 24 2005 02:26 PM

I think that is dry air. Someone correct me if I am wrong.

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Re: superstition [Re: Wanna-Be-Storm-Chaser]
      #49025 - Wed Aug 24 2005 02:28 PM

I may be wrong but it looks like the Miami long range radar is starting to pick up the center. Looks to be tracking between WNW and NW.

http://www.srh.noaa.gov/radar/loop/DS.p20-r/si.kamx.shtml

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Re: superstition [Re: Wanna-Be-Storm-Chaser]
      #49026 - Wed Aug 24 2005 02:30 PM

Take a look at this site. Hit the loop button at the top. It takes this on days 5 and 6 back across the state.
unisys weather

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