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The Force 2005
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Re: 4 frames now [Re: Convergence]
      #55827 - Wed Sep 21 2005 07:33 PM

But the sad part is, that there is still over 2 months to go to this season. Greek letters soon to follow.

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Re: Rita Now a Category 4, in the Gulf [Re: MikeC]
      #55828 - Wed Sep 21 2005 07:35 PM

has anyone else noticed a northward jog in the last few hours? I would just say just a jog but its been going on for quite some time now...

http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/PS/TROP/DATA/RT/float-ir4-loop.html


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News Around Houston [Re: The Force 2005]
      #55829 - Wed Sep 21 2005 07:37 PM

Here's some interesting stories that are developing in and around Houston....

-- Mandatory evacuation in effect not only for coastal residents, but also for those in flood-prone areas of Houston -- around the bayous, etc.

-- Evacuees leaving Galveston and traveling north toward Dallas are being told to expect at least a 12 hour commute just to get out of the northern Houston suburbs!

-- The "One Country Hurricane Katrina Benefit Concert" has been cancelled.

-- Officials in Matagorda County have told residents with children who refuse to obey the mandatory evacuation order that Children's Protective Services will take their children and the parents will be prosecuted....

-- Johnson Space Center closed today at 1PM... local refineries also shutting down.

-- Katrina evacuees from the Astrodome and Reliant Stadium are being flown to Fort Chaffee, Arkansa, and other locations.

Local news outlets:

CBS -- www.khou.com (Dr. Neil Frank's station)
NBC -- www.kprc.com
ABC -- www.ktrk.com


Also:

houstontranstar.org -- click on "Real Time Traffic Map" then "Camera List" and you can see live shots from all over the city, including the Galveston Island Causeway, etc.



I'm hearing a wide variety of responses to the storm... relatives near the coast have already evacuated (thank goodness)...

relatives near the bayous are also leaving...

my parents in far west Houston are staying, even though they are about 30 miles from where the center is expected to pass...

as far as other friends in areas well-inland -- all but a few are staying (the most amusing explanation I heard from an evacuating friend is that, the power might go out, and she "doesn't like to sweat...")

Allison

Edited by Allison (Wed Sep 21 2005 07:45 PM)


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Re: 4 frames now [Re: The Force 2005]
      #55830 - Wed Sep 21 2005 07:41 PM

not sure, but looks like there are two AF planes out there... AF300... and AF306.... but have awhile til they have to depart.... and NOAA9 and NOAA3 are still up.... so tonights models runs should have much stock in them.....i also think i saw where there is a Navy Plane up.... helping to feed real time data from the planes back to NHC/HRD/NOAA....


**ALSO I THINK I JUST SAW A 908MB READING**** NOT SURE BUT WILL CHECK

Edited by Storm Hunter (Wed Sep 21 2005 08:01 PM)


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Re: vortex message [Re: sara33]
      #55831 - Wed Sep 21 2005 07:41 PM

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Hi!
I am a new user and I have been looking for a site like this since last year.. I am so happy to find it. I live in St. Petersburg, FL .
I was wondering if someone could post a link to a site that would allow you to see the acctual ridge of high pressure ( if there is such a site), I also see the wobble and just wanted to see this high pressure area. I look at Accuweather and NOAA, but Accuweather is not always updated with their sattelite photos. Thanks everyone!
Sincerely, Christine




You can use this link Clicky .
The bright orange is dry air or high pressure. Greens are moisture. If I am wrong would someone please clarify.


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Re: News Around Houston [Re: Allison]
      #55832 - Wed Sep 21 2005 07:43 PM

"Officials in Matagorda County have told residents with children who refuse to obey the mandatory evacuation order that Children's Protective Services will take their children and the parents will be prosecuted...."

God Bless Texas! I love that state!


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Re: 4 frames now [Re: Storm Hunter]
      #55833 - Wed Sep 21 2005 07:47 PM

also based on the sats.... i noticed it looks like the center.... low level is cloud free....the stadium should amazing if your flying through right now.... so i would expect to see some pictures in the coming days atleast from HRD..... i have a feeling that an ERC in going to start within the next 12hrs or so....

http://hadar.cira.colostate.edu/ramsdis/online/data/tropical/285.jpg

Cloud free surface in Center? (it could just be the sun glare too!)

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The Force 2005
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Re: Rita Now a Category 4, in the Gulf [Re: JYarsh]
      #55834 - Wed Sep 21 2005 07:49 PM

If you look at that SAT, and plot the forecast track, I can see a definate swing to the right in the last couple of frames. Clark, how about it. What would you say, trend or wobble, considering that Rita maybe breaking through the ridge to the East.

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Rick on boat in Mobile
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5TH FRAME IN A ROW... [Re: emackl]
      #55835 - Wed Sep 21 2005 07:49 PM

FOR 2 1/2 HOURS...ever since she cleaned up the eyewall, a definite wnw direction.....I don't think this is a wobble....

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Re: vortex message [Re: sara33]
      #55836 - Wed Sep 21 2005 07:51 PM

I am not an expert but this is the site I use, I use the 700-850 layer, you can adjust in 3 hour increments and there are even more options on the home page.

http://cimss.ssec.wisc.edu/tropic/real-time/atlantic/winds/wg8dlm1.html

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dropsonde data [Re: Rick on boat in Mobile]
      #55838 - Wed Sep 21 2005 07:54 PM

A recent dropsonde in the NW eyewall reported 149 knot winds at the surface and a mean boundary layer wind of 165 knots. The next dropsonde in the eye reported a pressure of 908 mb with surface winds of 28 knots, indicating the actual central pressure may be slightly lower.

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Re: 4 frames now [Re: Storm Hunter]
      #55839 - Wed Sep 21 2005 07:55 PM

I definitley agree on ERC beginning soon. When you get "stadium" effect and the eye tightens it seems the the "top" of the stadium becomes the edge of the outer eyewall that forms. It seems as the slant on the stadium effect becomes more pronounced the closer you come to ERC. Once again...I could be wrong...just an observation as not much is know about ERC triggers.
Also...definite WNW movement and it doesn't seem like a wobble. The motion seems rather clean and not jerky like a wobble.

http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/PS/TROP/DATA/RT/float-vis-loop.html

Click on the "lat/lon" box on top of the loop...makes it easy to see

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Re: 5TH FRAME IN A ROW... [Re: Rick on boat in Mobile]
      #55840 - Wed Sep 21 2005 07:56 PM

It's not a wobble, you can see it clearly starting to curve north...

Here's another link:

Water Vapour Link Showing N-N-W Curve.

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Re: vortex message [Re: Tazmanian93]
      #55841 - Wed Sep 21 2005 07:57 PM

WOW! Thanks..
Thats just what I was looking for!
Does it look like the ridge is weakening or maybe has not shifted to the East as expected. I myself am NO expert, but very interested in learning!
Thanks everyone!


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Re: dropsonde data [Re: Thunderbird12]
      #55842 - Wed Sep 21 2005 07:58 PM

If this isn't a cat 5 storm by now, it has to be the deepest category 4 storm in history.

A WNW movement was anticipated and the current movement is only slightly more northerly than the official track suggests, so nobody needs to panic any time soon.


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Re: News Around Houston [Re: emackl]
      #55843 - Wed Sep 21 2005 08:01 PM

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"Officials in Matagorda County have told residents with children who refuse to obey the mandatory evacuation order that Children's Protective Services will take their children and the parents will be prosecuted...."

God Bless Texas! I love that state!




This is actually the first real test of Texas' new mandatory evacuation law -- we didn't have one until a few months ago.... before that, officials could legally only "recommend" evacuations...

The practical effect isn't much different, I'm afraid -- it's unlikely they're going to force people out -- but the language itself should provide the necessary encouragement....

Allison

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Re: Rita Now a Category 4, in the Gulf [Re: The Force 2005]
      #55844 - Wed Sep 21 2005 08:02 PM

So I guess what Rick and I saw @ 12:30 today was not a wobble/jog but apparently a trend since it is now 4:00. Would still like to know what a Met/Prof think of the Ridge right now

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Cat 5 [Re: Allison]
      #55845 - Wed Sep 21 2005 08:02 PM

Watching Fox...just said they heard from NHC...she's a 5 now...165.

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Re: dropsonde data [Re: Thunderbird12]
      #55846 - Wed Sep 21 2005 08:03 PM

000
WTNT63 KNHC 211955
TCUAT3
HURRICANE Rita TROPICAL CYCLONE UPDATE
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
255 PM CDT WED SEP 21 2005

DATA FROM RECONNAISSANCE AIRCRAFT INDICATE THAT Rita HAS REACHED
CATEGORY FIVE INTENSITY WITH ESTIMATED MAXIMUM SUSTAINED SURFACE
WINDS OF 165 MPH. THIS WILL BE REFLECTED IN THE 4 PM CDT ADVISORY.

FORECASTER AVILA


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Re: dropsonde data [Re: Thunderbird12]
      #55847 - Wed Sep 21 2005 08:04 PM

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A recent dropsonde in the NW eyewall reported 149 knot winds at the surface and a mean boundary layer wind of 165 knots.




This is what I am hearing also... 165 mph...

what a dame!! or _itch!!! <g> (sorry mods)


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