Frank P
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that's pretty close to where I had it, perhaps a tad south... really hard to pinpoint the exact center but I do believe an LLC is in development at this time and this system is moving w to wnw at the present moment... and GOM bound perhaps...
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NONAME
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Why do they have two names for it now this is getting more crazy and confusing by the moment.
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Edited by NONAME (Tue Aug 23 2005 02:54 PM)
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NewWatcher
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http://tcweb.fnmoc.navy.mil/tc-bin/tc_home.cgi
this shows it real close to 23/75 i think
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Why do they have two names for it now this is getting more crazy and confusing by the moment.
Basicly They probably had some discussions and decided that there wasn't enough of xTD10 remaining in the new system to keep the designation. So if it goes to TD status, it will be TD11 (or 12).
I can understand the call, Tangentially, does anyone have any information that details the continuation of the name "Ivan"? It's a interesting compare to TD 10.
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http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/PS/TROP/DATA/RT/watl-wv-loop.html
Zoom in a bit and you can see 1) a circulation, 2) WNW movement
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NONAME
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Does anyone else think will upgrade this before 5 I think will do like what they did with Jose yesterday and declare it TD10 or maybe 12 at noon.
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NewWatcher
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Yes, 99L (ex TD10) is looking better and better on sat image, or is that worse and worse? lol I guess it depends on your point of view. Anyway, it is becoming
better organized it seems to me. Will be interesting to see what recon sends
back this afternoon
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Once they change the Invest to 99L no longer concerned XTD10, it will be listed as a new TD 12 if it makes a TD or TS .
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Here's the "official" line on from the : http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/2004ivan.shtml?
(Scroll down towards the bottom of "Synoptic History," where it details being able to track as an entity through the entire process.)
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i checked the models, and ALL of them develop 10L/99L or whatever into a fairly decent system within 96 hours; even the and ukmet, which never develop anything, are developing this one (i do find it ironic though that the , with its missing frames, is full of gaps  )
i'm now able to see a closed circulation at least at cloud level on visible images somewhere near 22N/75W
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From 11:30
THIS ACTIVITY HAS BECOME A
LITTLE BETTER ORGANIZED OVER THE SOUTHEASTERN BAHAMAS... AND A
TROPICAL DEPRESSION COULD FORM LATER TODAY OR ON WEDNESDAY AS THE
SYSTEM MOVES TO THE WEST-NORTHWEST OR NORTHWEST AT 5 TO 10 MPH. AN
AIR FORCE RESERVE UNIT RECONNAISSANCE AIRCRAFT IS SCHEDULED TO
INVESTIGATE THE SYSTEM THIS AFTERNOON. INTERESTS IN THE BAHAMAS...
THE NORTH COAST OF CUBA...AND SOUTHERN FLORIDA SHOULD MONITOR THE
PROGRESS OF THIS SYSTEM.
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I see that it looks to be improving but this looks like a very complex situation with still a lot of dry air and an upper low northeast of 99L moving west in tandem with the system. Looks like its going to be constantly struggling IMHO. Comments/corrections welcome. http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/PS/TROP/DATA/RT/watl-wv-loop.html
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Just a head up that the referring of exTD10 as 99L is causing a lot of headaches with the automated plotting here, so You may want to use the old TD#10 for model animations (Under coordinates on the left) until this is fixed.
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This Tropical weather site has TD12?????????????????????????
http://weather.net-waves.com/td12.php
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http://manati.orbit.nesdis.noaa.gov/dataimages21/cur_hires/zooms/WMBas87.png
If these are surface winds and the snap shot was taken at around 10:00 Zulu, then am I seeing most of a circulation visible? About the only thing I can't find is a southerly wind. hmmm...
You can also see some 30Kt winds in and near the center, along with some uncontaminated 40Kt winds in the rain band to the east.
Now is the rain band to the east considered a part of 99L? (it is 99L now, right? *laughs* my apologies, on even less sleep than normal).
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99L - thumbnail will update automatically when models are run under this identifier
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This Tropical weather site has TD12?????????????????????????
http://weather.net-waves.com/td12.php
A little ahead of the game, but AL992005 (99L) will indeed become TD12 if it achieves Tropical Depression status. It may even grow up and get a name...
Much debate will likely occur over this, like last year when the remnants of reorganized. John Q. shouldn't care about the naming conventions, it just becomes an issue for the hardcore to debate.
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Recon has left and is en route to the area now, hopefully in an hour or so we'll know more about the Bahamas area.
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NONAME
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Here Is one of there Messages already I think it is the bahama flight. Also can someone decode this for me I've tried and I get confused every time I tryed using there decoding and it is confusing huh.
RECCO Observations (tropical cyclone)
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URNT11 KNHC 231603
97779 16004 30268 82900 70100 99005 65721 /5762
RMK AF300 01GGA INVEST OB 03
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Really don't care what they call it, its the 's call. What I am Concerned with is that most of the models don't develop this for another 48 hours, and I believe we will have by then. I am basing this on the visible satellite pix, relaxation of the shear, and current organizational trands. LCC seems to be coming together now and we should have a depression by 11 pm. This raises a few questions regarding its path and strength. I believe it will strengthen a bit faster than the models have been depicting, and that in itself may only play a small role in its track, however its general movement has been to the WNW/NW, and the right outliers (NAM and ) may have a better idea (hate to agree with the LBAR) than the previous guidance, if only by shear luck! But I see this thing making a Northwesterly track for a day, then bending back to the WNW or west Thursday and Friday, ultimately ending up in the GOM. Its strength and WHERE it crosses is of interest for those in south and maybe even south central Florida in the near term. I'm glad recon is going out now to get a good read on this one. I don't believe the models have a good handle on it yet. They really couldn't, since no center is there to initialize on. Watching this one like a hawk. Cheers!! PS: This is not a official forecast; does that. 
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