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Orig time of cnn post was 2:58amEDT. nothing more since but
CNN will repeat the interview with the woman (?) in a minute..........
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I think this is a seperate levee breach... I might be wrong, but the way the blog sounded, that breach has been common knowledge since laste this morning. I'm watching CNN for more details...
Ok, I think CNN is doing the right thing... They are trying to keep people informed without inciting fear.... I haven't seen any comfirmation of a serious breach yet, but I agree, it's night time, it's dark, and it's hard debate, which is the right call... I'm more suprised that FOX and CNBC aren't continuing live coverage. But that's just my own thoughts.
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Multi-Decadal Signal
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1" every 5 minutes on now on cnn
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I don't know when the breach occured, but the mayor of NO described the breach as severe, and it must be if the water is rising 1" every 5 minutes. The woman at the hospital said even with the pumps running they would not be able to compete with lake ponchotrain.
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Multi-Decadal Signal
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THAT AMOUNTS TO 1 FOOT/HOUR....
The bowl that NO sits in would fill in a day if no mitigation is possible.
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The breach occured along this bridge (highlighted in yellow) on the eastern side of the 17th street canal. This is the northwest corner of Orleans Parish.
http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/7070/nola5kh.jpg
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They just reran the interview. Army Corp of Engineers is meeting right now. Statement within the hour expected.
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But she never said 1k people the only number she stated was the 90 from the other hospital.
It is now about 2:40 AM in New Orleans. I'm not sure when this was first broadcast but I just heard the Tulane VP. She clearly said the water was rising an inch every 5 minutes, the hospital was now surrounded by 6 ft of water, there were 1000 people in the hospital and they were considering the evacuation of all of them. I am attaching a map of the location of Tulane Medical Center. For anyone familiar with New Orleans, this is frightening because this facility is not only very near the superdome but also the heart of New Olreans including the French Quarter and CBD.
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A new thread should be started with the subject being the possible breech in the levee. I think...
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This is now officially the realization of worst nightmare. The world is going to be shocked.
What a horrible horrible night.
God help the people in the Superdome.
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sorry for a 1 line post, but yeah, 200 foot breach at 17th street and canal. Do they even have the resources at hand to stop something like that?
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From NO Times Picayune:
Meantime, five miles to the west, engineers worked to close a breach along the New Orleans side of the 17th Street Canal.
Huge drainage pumps ordinarily can drive millions of gallons of rainwater uphill through the canal, as it takes water from the low-lying city into Lake Pontchartrain. But the breach turned the canal into a major threat. Lake water flowed back through the breach, hemorrhaging into Lakeview and beyond.
The water had risen knee-deep during the storm, but despite the clearing skies, it had continued to rise one brick every 20 minutes, according to Kyle, continuing its ascent well into the night.
“We were good until the Canal busted,” said Sontag. “First there was water on the street, then the sidewalk, then water in the house.”
Officials of the Army Corps of Engineers have contingencies for levee breaches such as the one that happened Monday, but it will take time and effort to get the heavy equipment into place to make the repair. Breach repair is part of the Corps’ planning for recovery from catastrophic storms, but nobody Monday was able to say how long it would take to plug the hole, or how much water would get through it before that happened.
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Hi folks,can anybody help please? I need some information on how is going to hit Nashville as my girlfriend who is disabled and living alone lives there.I am in England at present.I read all the news and weather sites but i honestly cant make head nor tail of whats really going to happen.Her freinds are in contact with her but if the lines go down then we are all in the dark(!) Thankyou for your assistance. Glenos
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NO Mayor Nagin, per CNN:
"We probably have 80 percent of our city underwater. With some sections of our city, the water is as deep as 20 feet."
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I need some information on how is going to hit Nashville
I'm in Nashville; continuous moderate to heavy rain, flash flood warnings; no severe winds or storms currently. PM me if you need more info.
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Here is some information I received from Cingular Wireless concerning the damage to their infrastructure in the LA/MS/AL Area:
Subject: SIR level 1E Initial Hurricane Cell Site V11539
Location: SouthEast - Eng ;Ala /MS / LA
Elements: Cell Sites
Start Time: 08-29-2005 12:45 Eastern
GSM And TDMA Voice And Data Customers Cannot Make or Receive Call From Mobile
ETTR: unknown
Location: SouthEast - Eng ;Ala /MS / LA
Elements: South Region Cell Sites Start Time: 08-29-2005 12:45 Eastern GSM And TDMA Voice And Data Customers Cannot Make or Receive Call From Mobile
ETTR: unknown
Currently there are a 834 GSM and 607 TDMA sites down in Alabama,Mississippi, Louisiana for a total of 1450 sites down as a result of Hurricane .
The Breakdown for Orange and Blue locations are as follows.
Louisiana
Currently there are 458 out of 1159 locations affected in New Orleans
The breakdown for New Orleans is as follows
199 Orange Locations 214 GSM and 199 TDMA
259 Blue Locations 259 GSM and 139 TDMA
Mississippi
Currently there are 287 out of 760 locations affected in Mississippi
The breakdown for Jackson is as follows
152 Orange Locations 152 GSM and 67 TDMA
135 Blue Locations 52 GSM and 135 TDMA
Alabama
Currently there are 157 out of 1165 locations affected in Alabama
The breakdown for Mobile is as follows
113 Orange Locations 113 GSM and 23 TDMA
44 Blue Locations 44 GSM and 42 TDMA
All visibility to the New Orleans Blue TDMA and GSM MSCs has been lost.
All visibility to the New Orleans Orange TDMA MSC has been lost. All
visibility to the Lafayette Orange TDMA MSC has been lost. All
visibility to the Jackson Orange TDMA and GSM MSC has been lost.
The Mobile Orange MSC is Currently running on generator.
All Intrado links to Blue MSCs in Louisiana are down, Phase II calls are
defaulting to Phase I.
Alabama, Mississippi, New Orleans Hurricane Plan
GENERATORS
Mobile 64 onhand
Mobile 75 in route from FLA
Lafayette 15 onhand
Lafayette 40 in route from GA
Jackson 25 in route from GA
Birmingham 12 on hand
NW Floridia 16 on hand
An additional 150 Generators in Route
Total on hand or in route 397
FUEL
Diesel
Mobile 11,500 G diesel on hand
Lafayette 4,000 G diesel on hand
Total onhand 5,500 G
Additional diesel 126,000 G available
12,000 G inbound
Total 153,000 G available
Unleaded
Mobile 10,300 G unleaded on hand
4,000 G inbound
Total 10,800 G Available
We have deployment and fuel crews staged in both Mobile and Lafayette.
We also have tower crews on standby, as well as line and antenna
material.
OPERATIONS
Operations will run initial dispatch of resources out of Mobile. After
the storm, they will assess damages and determine the best place from
which to stage recovery efforts. If Baton Rouge is unaffected, the Ops
Manager there (Dell Oliver) will go to New Orleans to assist. After
setting up the initial dispatch in Mobile, Kenny Browning will also go
to New Orleans. Charlie Young will be in Mobile.
Gulf coast site recovery will be supported out of Mobile. Central MS
site recovery will be supported out of Central and North Alabama.
Customers affected: unknown
Start time: 08-29-2005 05:00 Eastern
Teams engaged: SRNOC, Local Ops, Power and Telco companies
Estimated time to repair: unknown
Next update: 10:00 am EST
BTW Orange and Blue refer to Cingular and AT&T.
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Clark,
A few questions.
1. How does a hurricane know it is time to re-place an eye-wall. And what causes that to happen?
2. Why does the storm intensify rather rapidily after it completes the replacement as shown with ?
3. If there was a wind fiels of over 100 miles of hurricane winds from the eye, then why isn't the left side just as strong as the right fron quadrant?
I will go on record to say this, that will undoubtedly be the most destructive hurricane on record as to damage, strenth, insurance claims, and sadly causualties. To see a storm on radar and satalite view of sustained winds well over 175MPH is beyond belief. Her name will never be used again, and hope that our season is over now. Unfortunately, we have till 30 NOV.
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force,
check out this link. it should answer most of your questions... 
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finding the cases will mean possibly finding some answers as to how it could have been so bad.
We already know how it could have been so bad. We were one of the few groups to know. While incandescent blips migrated on the radar, we knew what was happening over that coastline.
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