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Tropical Storm Isabel Heads North
      #13183 - Thu Sep 18 2003 10:50 PM

Isabel is now a strong Tropical Storm in central Virginia and she should soon start a northward journey into Canada via the eastern Great Lakes. Central pressure is on the increase and so is the forward speed. Dangerous conditions still exist along the coast to the east and in Chesapeake Bay and strong winds will continue overnight in a wide area around the storm.

Sorry about the lack of a post on the backup site - I tried, but failed. I suspect that everyone tried to catch a little TV as Isabel manhandled the newscasters on the beaches, but we are now back in business. Haven't heard anything yet from Mike and hope that he and everyone else in the impact area made it safely through the storm.

Except for a disorganized tropical wave east of the Islands near 55W, the rest of the Atlantic basin is quiet - and thats fine with me - it has been a long two weeks for all of us. Isabel should become fully extratropical in 24 hours or so.
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NRL Monterey Marine Meteorology Division Forecast Track of Active Systems (Good Forecast Track Graphic and Satellite Photos)

Current Aircraft Recon Info

More discussion on the storm on our Storm Forum.

NASA GHCC Interactive Satellite images at:

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AVN, ECMWF, GFDL, MM5, NOGAPS, UKMET

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Other commentary at Mike Anderson's East Coast Tropical Weather Center, Robert Lightbown/Crown Weather Tropical Update Accuweather's Joe Bastardi (now subcriber only unfortunately), Cyclomax (Rich B.), Hurricane City , mpittweather , Tropical Weather Watchers.Com (JasonM) Gary Gray's Millennium Weather, Barometer Bob's Hurricane Hollow, Snonut,
Even more on the links page.


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Re: Tropical Storm Isabel Heads North
      #13185 - Thu Sep 18 2003 11:03 PM

Hope all went as well as could be expected & glad to the site back up

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Re: Tropical Storm Isabel Heads North
      #13187 - Fri Sep 19 2003 07:30 AM

Yeah, glad to have the site up again. Missed it. Good luck with your rest Ed, feels to me like the season is pretty much over though know everyone is predicting October troubles and stuff like that... feels very far away right now.

Imagine Isabel will go down with many storm related deaths all different but related to the storm and there will be massive clean up.

What else is there to say?

Whats that Peggy Lee song?
Is that all there is?

Have a good weekend everyone, watch football, get rest do whatever you do.. Bobbi

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Re: Tropical Storm Isabel Heads North
      #13188 - Fri Sep 19 2003 07:37 AM

You guys do a great job! Thanks.

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Re: Tropical Storm Isabel Heads North
      #13189 - Fri Sep 19 2003 07:49 AM

Mike C. - Was that you I saw on the Weather Channel standing in the background yesterday?

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2 things to look at
      #13190 - Fri Sep 19 2003 08:48 AM

1.. watch Isabel move fast
2.. area persisting around 55w.. despite or because its being ventilated by the ULL..either way..its there and persists. John Hope always said watch when something persists so it bears watching either ay

http://orca.rsmas.miami.edu/wximages/jet/1_05/anis.html

still feels like the season is over, but its worth watching

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Re: 2 things to look at
      #13191 - Fri Sep 19 2003 09:25 AM

I agree Lois...that feature has been under a "less then savory" enviroment but persist. It bears watching and I was hearing that some models had hinted at a western Caribbean development in the coming week.

Hope all are well with those who confronted Isabel. Thank heavens she weakened to what she did even though I'm sure people in NC and VA are not taking great comfort in that.

Still only mid-September...what will the rest of the season bring?

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Re: 2 things to look at
      #13192 - Fri Sep 19 2003 10:02 AM

Looks like the area that persistent is at about 13N 53W like you said storm conditions unfavorable at the time.The ULL is moving out which appears to be causing most of the shear.If the convection was to persist maybe in 3 or 4 days maybe something might start.Am I wrong but it seems to be alot more W shear across the basin in the last week?

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      #13193 - Fri Sep 19 2003 10:22 AM

sorry about caps..habit

gulf getting interesting and a wave in bahamas supposed to act up over the weekend in miami area.. rain but interesting



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Hello all
      #13194 - Fri Sep 19 2003 10:51 AM

Great to see the site back up. Got a little worried for a while there.

Well, for what it's worth, in my area Isabel turned out to be almost nothing. Lots and lots of wind, very little rain. Many leaves and small branches on the ground in my yard, but little else. Driving to work this morning, saw some small trees uprooted, and parts of Long Island did lose power. My next-door neighbor lost a pretty big tree limb (maybe 20 feet long, about 6 inches in diameter), and in a bit of poetic justice, had three or four small limbs on his car from a tree which is just inside his property and which I've repeatedly asked him to prune. HA!

I feel bad for the poor folks in NC and VA who sustained some pretty bad damage, but all in all, it could have been a LOT worse. Mike C., hope you fared OK in Newport News.

I want to give a shout out to everyone on this board for all your kind words and support. I'll keep checking back, posting once in a while, thinking of you all.



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Season ain't over by far...
      #13195 - Fri Sep 19 2003 11:57 AM

The CV season may be winding down, but we've got the in-close season the remainder of September and most of October to confront. There will easily be 3 more named storms, and if things pan out like they did in the early Gulf season (but adjusted eastward for the time of year), there well could be an Opal down the road.

With the successive 3 trofs bringing increasingly cooler air, the Texas season is about over. Louisiana's door should close by the 2nd week of October. Mississippi and Alabama by the end of the month, and Florida goes until mid-November (low lattitude Gulf developments shunting ENE or NE across the Peninsula).

We'll get a break for a few days as the ULL backs west. Following it is a wave (noted in posts above) of some interest. Most of these things haven't gotten revved up until 70 or further west, so some moderate development and a hit (or at least an early aim) for FL/SC/GA isn't out of the question. However, the newest typhoon is anticipated to curve at or just east of Japan which leads one to believe that 6-10 days down the road, there should be a substantial trof in the eastern US. We wait.

SOI finally flipped to negative, but it's a -1.80 which is more of a neutral signal (but perhaps a return to a more progressive pattern after the 3rd or 4th of October.

SSTA's remain higher than average over New England and Newfoundland, but have migrated up to about 45 north from their prior 30 north. The rest of the basin is slightly warmer than average to neutral with the exception of the path of Isabel and Long Island south to the GA/FL border which is well below average.

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Re: Tropical Storm Isabel Heads North
      #13196 - Fri Sep 19 2003 11:59 AM

Just checking in from the NC Emergency Operations Center in Raleigh. Have been watching real time imagery from the overflights along the outer banks. Hatteras Light is still standing and although there are some washouts and a few houses damaged, all in all doesn't look too bad. Of course all is relative depending on if it's your house or not.

Looks like Isabel cut a new inlet across Ocracoke Island.

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Re: Tropical Storm Isabel Heads North
      #13197 - Fri Sep 19 2003 01:38 PM

Jim, glad to hear your safe and it looks from the reports that NC was lucky, with "lucky" being a relative term. It looks like we may all look forward to some temporary quiet as the Atlantic seems to be in "ULL" turmoil and the pressures rising in the GOM.

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Re: Tropical Storm Isabel Heads North
      #13198 - Fri Sep 19 2003 02:00 PM

Hello everyone on the forum.
As a relative newbie yere, I wanted to express my thanks to Ed and Mike and all who keep the site up and running. It is such an asset and friend to turn to during storm tracking.
It got pretty interesting with some off the wall comments on Isabel but that was to be expected I suppose. I learned a lot from Isabel and especially after watching her make landfall in N.C and VA, I finally get it about storm surge and wave height, flooding etc. What power the wind and water have.

I'm in the Orlando area which is turning out to be a pretty safe place over the years from these storms but, you never know.

So, to everyone hello and thanks for keeping me informed and company over the past few weeks.

LI Phil, good luck with Pembrook Pines race. You are a trooper..!!!!!



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Re: Tropical Storm Isabel Heads North
      #13199 - Fri Sep 19 2003 02:07 PM

Have to believe that Isabel is a name that will be erased from re-use in 2009. Although NC may have gotten off just a smidge easier than expected, she really walloped points north. Just got off the phone with a contact in Pittsburgh, PA who says he waded to his car today in ankle deep water. Glad to see that our NE folks came through ok!

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Re: Tropical Storm Isabel Heads North
      #13200 - Fri Sep 19 2003 05:02 PM

After every big storm---especially one that lets us down, we feel the season is over.

Trust me, it is not.



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yo JUAN?!!
      #13201 - Fri Sep 19 2003 05:22 PM

september 20th may be the first day since fabian popped on the screen that we don't have an active system.. will most likely be the case. there isn't anything sure on the horizon, though i'd say that's probably not going to be the case for long. convection in the deep tropics is quite active in the last couple of days (perhaps MJO revving up again), and the eastpac has spawned linda and now marty. that usually signals something will happen in the atlantic.. and steve's already noted the westpac typhoon recurving south of japan.. which may signal what any potential system will do. keep an eye on the wave near 55w for next week, as well as the sw caribbean and the wave near 35w. these are all of low interest as of now.
anyhow, four to go to reach my 2003 quota, five for gray. we could both fall short, or both go long, dependent on how active the next 3 weeks are.
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Re: yo JUAN?!!
      #13202 - Fri Sep 19 2003 06:28 PM

It appears that area is picking up interest:

Tropical Weather Outlook

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000
ABNT20 KNHC 192120
TWOAT
TROPICAL WEATHER OUTLOOK
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
530 PM EDT FRI SEP 19 2003

FOR THE NORTH ATLANTIC...CARIBBEAN SEA AND THE GULF OF MEXICO...

A LARGE AREA OF CLOUDINESS AND THUNDERSTORMS EXTENDING FROM THE
LESSER ANTILLES EASTWARD FOR SEVERAL HUNDRED MILES IS ASSOCIATED
WITH A BROAD AREA OF LOW PRESSURE AND A TROPICAL WAVE. THIS SYSTEM
IS INTERACTING WITH A LARGE UPPER-LEVEL LOW CENTERED JUST TO THE
NORTHEAST OF PUERTO RICO. UPPER-LEVEL WINDS ARE UNFAVORABLE FOR
DEVELOPMENT AT TIME. HOWEVER...A SMALL RELAXATION OF THE SHEAR
COULD RESULT IN SLOW DEVELOPMENT OF THIS COMPLEX SYSTEM.

ELSEWHERE...TROPICAL STORM FORMATION IS NOT EXPECTED THROUGH
SATURDAY.

FORECASTER AVILA


It went from an afterthought to... maybe...hmmm..

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Re: yo JUAN?!!
      #13203 - Fri Sep 19 2003 06:33 PM

There you go! I like HF's take and also Steve along the lines of an "Opal" type possiblity. I would take advantage of this weekend if you can and relax!

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Re: yo JUAN?!!
      #13204 - Fri Sep 19 2003 06:56 PM

Hey Coop sounds like you know something that your not telling us? It is that time of the season when we should start seeing more of the closer home grown varities. Wonder what the Caribbean and the gulf has in store for us this season? Sure is good to see this site back on line, missed you all! Hope everyone weathered Isabel ok.

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Re: yo JUAN?!!
      #13205 - Fri Sep 19 2003 07:26 PM

i do feel like playing devil's advocate. see that area of disturbed weather in the western gulf? couple of models have some kind of low coming out of that and moving NE towards louisiana as a trough digs in over the central US. add that to the list of things to eyeball, though if it hasnt done something by say... sunday.. it won't be viable.
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Re: yo JUAN?!!
      #13208 - Fri Sep 19 2003 07:36 PM Attachment (275 downloads)

Check out the attachment....Nice photo of Isabel

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Re: yo JUAN?!!
      #13209 - Fri Sep 19 2003 07:44 PM

I am glad someone else said it! Hey Toni, I don't know anything... just looking and waiting... have some ideas and HF touched on a one of them

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Re: yo JUAN?!!
      #13210 - Fri Sep 19 2003 08:01 PM

Yeah HF, just took a look at the gulf loop. That is a rather large blob of ominous looking convection lurking out there. Also took a quick look at some of the model runs. End result, they seem to like the central/ne gulf area. As you pointed out Coop, now is the time to watch and let's just see what happens. My bet things will start to pop again, real soon!

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Re: yo JUAN?!!
      #13211 - Fri Sep 19 2003 08:29 PM

Agree with you HF....looks like it is trying now....



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Re: yo JUAN?!!
      #13212 - Fri Sep 19 2003 08:29 PM

Wow! Where was that??



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Re: yo JUAN?!!
      #13213 - Fri Sep 19 2003 08:41 PM

Kimster, that is an awesome looking pic! That's about as up close and personal as I would want to be.

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Re: yo JUAN?!!
      #13214 - Fri Sep 19 2003 08:46 PM

Was looking at that yesterday but pressures were rising in the GOM. Isn't that flow a result of a ridge drawing flow from the Pacific? Not the best tropical fuel with no Low pressure about.

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Re: yo JUAN?!!
      #13216 - Fri Sep 19 2003 08:57 PM

Buoy report 20.70 93.50 29.85in and steady at 00Z. There is a ship nearby but I am having no luck finding a report.


What ya think HanKFranK?

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Re: yo JUAN?!!
      #13217 - Fri Sep 19 2003 09:07 PM

Will try to find out the location. The pic. was forwarded to me by an Allstate employee. Probably was taken by a ship that they insure. But, it may have been attached to a proof of loss claim form.

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Video of Storm Surge
      #13218 - Fri Sep 19 2003 09:57 PM

Check out this 2 minute video of Hurricane Isabel and her storm surge. It is taken by some hurricane chasers. You can't believe how fast the storm surge comes in until you view this video or you experience it personally. This video is AWESOME!!!
http://www.weathervine.com/hurricanes/isabel/9_18_03_surge.html

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Re: Video of Storm Surge
      #13219 - Fri Sep 19 2003 10:59 PM

Excellent Video, Richie, showing some of Isabel's storm surge, Don't think I would have wanted to be there after seeing it though.
Well looks like another quiet time ahead of us, but don't think the season is over yet though. Think the western Carib will start heating up soon., CV storm season may be coming to an end soon, just seems like too much shear out there.

Go Phins!!
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Re: Video of Storm Surge
      #13220 - Sat Sep 20 2003 02:29 AM

since sat. loops are down for the night (and convection wasn't looking as vigorous last few frames anyway), best topic of note i can think of is that video. if you haven't taken a look, by all means, do. storm surge is no longer the primary killer with tropical cyclones in the u.s., but it is nothing to be trifled with. as far as isabel reports go.. media sources are reporting 25 people killed. for a marginal cat 2 with no major inland flooding event, that seems inordinately high.. it seems falling trees and rough surf have accounted for most of the fatalities.
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Re: Video of Storm Surge
      #13221 - Sat Sep 20 2003 04:28 AM

I was in St Pete a few years ago for Gordon, who was a strong tropical storm (very close to hurricane strength at the time). I was right along the beach as he came on shore and was quite surprised by the surge and how rapidly it flooded the roads. I have some great photos of the event I'll put online when I have the opportunity.

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All Kinds of Isabel Maps/Stats
      #13222 - Sat Sep 20 2003 06:55 AM

The NWS at Morehead City, NC, most close to Isabel's impact, has made available detailed maps of landfall-related weather.
http://www.erh.noaa.gov/mhx/HurricaneIsabel.html

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Watching the Gulf...
      #13223 - Sat Sep 20 2003 08:03 AM

The Gulf this AM is still very unsettled, Looks like Texas is getting some rain this morning. The winds are doing a number on any type of real convection that might be trying to form out there right now. Are the winds forcast to let up anytime soon? We had a line of TS's to move thru my area last night around midnight, product of a lot of rain again. Most of the severe part of the storms stayed just north of my area.

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Re: Watching the Gulf...
      #13224 - Sat Sep 20 2003 08:11 AM

ya sure that ship / storm pic is from Isabel or any huirricane? the seas look pretty calm around the ship. Not saying it isnt.... Just doest look like the ocean conditions are what you would think it would be if a ship was that close to a CAT 2 at teh least. Plus why sail right into the storm?

cool pic either way

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Re: Video of Storm Surge
      #13225 - Sat Sep 20 2003 09:31 AM

I remember Gordon quite well Domino. He left his calling card at my house and I was without cable for over a week. The best thing I ever done to prepare for hurricane season was to purchase a sm. battery operated TV, it made a very uncomfortable situation a little better. We can get hit pretty hard by storm surge in this area, especially if a storm hits north of us.

Does anyone remember TS Josephine '96. She came in around the Tallahassee area I believe, yet our beaches and roads were under water here. Went to the beach to watch her roll in and almost got stranded there. It took less than an hour to have at least 3' of water over the roads. Scared the heck out of me! The winds were howling and the ocean just kept getting bigger and bigger. Suprised me that we would be affected by a TS so far away. Maybe it was the angle that she came in. If anyone has any info on that aspect of the storm, would love to hear it, as that has been a question in my mind as to why we did get so much from her.


Troy 2, looks like somone added some graphic art to the pic. Still an eye opener though.


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nothing really new..
      #13226 - Sat Sep 20 2003 10:05 AM

there seems to be some kind of turning with the disturbance in the western gulf.. though it's inland over north mexico. interesting, but unless it translates out to sea it's of no consequence. with the strong positive SOI steve's bastardi excerpt was all about some kind of major amplification in the eastern u.s. the last week of this month into early october. in an active season, that's what gets the western caribbean secondary peak going, so after say next week, thats where the emphasis of focus should be moving.
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of course..
      #13227 - Sat Sep 20 2003 10:31 AM

then again, if you look at all the systems that have been in the area after september 20th over the last ten years, only a few have actually made it up to bother the u.s.
1994, gordon--mid nov, south florida/eastern nc
1995, Opal--early oct, fl panhandle
1995, roxanne--mid oct, no u.s. effect, yucatan
1996, kyle--mid oct, no u.s. effect, belize
1996, lili--mid oct, no u.s. effect, cuba/bahamas
1996, marco--mid nov, no u.s. effect, cayman islands
1998, mitch--late oct-early nov, central america, s. florida
1999, irene--mid oct, cuba, s. florida
1999, Katrina--late oct, no u.s. effect, central america
1999, lenny--mid nov, no u.s. effect, NE caribbean
2000, keith--late sep-early oct, no. u.s. effect, mexico
2000, leslie--early oct, central fl
2001, iris--early oct, no. u.s. effect, belize
2001, michelle--late oct-early nov, u.s. graze, cuba/bahamas
2002, isidore--late sep, yucatan/louisiana
2002, lili--late sep-early oct, jamaica/cuba/louisiana
so here's the tally
total systems in region: 16
total major hurricanes from region: 10 (63%)
total systems to cross u.s. coastline: 7 (44%)
total to cross u.s. coastline at hurr. strength: 3 (19%)
total to hit u.s. as major hurricane: 1 (6%--opal)
here's yet another graphic demonstrating how big hurricanes have tended to avoid the united states during the recent activity upswing. will this year be any different? if isabel was any indication as to the hold of that trend, have yourself a nice keys vacation the second week of october.
HF 1432z20september


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ah, one more
      #13228 - Sat Sep 20 2003 10:48 AM

the best looking disturbance in the basin is.. 16n, 34w.
HF 1449z20september


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A couple of questions
      #13229 - Sat Sep 20 2003 11:58 AM

Does anyone know what the highest sustained wind and highest wind gust were on land?

My hunch would be that the casualties were caused by people thinking that because the storm had weakened so drastically, it was not a threat.

The basin looks quiet now. But does anyone think that the convection over the western gulf could amount to anything?


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Re: A couple of questions
      #13230 - Sat Sep 20 2003 12:21 PM

I'm alive. It's a mess here with power out, etc, mostly tree damage all over. Power is still out in most places around here and I may be without power for another few days.

Got to go... Take care all.


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Re: A couple of questions
      #13231 - Sat Sep 20 2003 01:30 PM

Mike C
Glad to hear your ok. You take care up there and be safe!

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Re: A couple of questions
      #13232 - Sat Sep 20 2003 03:26 PM

Glad to hear that also! Now 4 globals are hinting at the GOM/BOC area (12z runs).

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Pics of Damage
      #13233 - Sat Sep 20 2003 04:28 PM

St. Pete Times photographers view of some of the damage:

http://www.sptimes.com/2003/09/20/isabel_photogallery/page1.shtml


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NHC Forecast Accuracy For Isabel
      #13234 - Sat Sep 20 2003 04:39 PM

Just a tidbit of Isabel trivia for those who thought the NHC didn't have a handle on the forecast track of Isabel:

5PM Sept 13~120hr forecast position: 33.5N 75.0W

11AM Sept 18~ actual storm location: 33.1N 74.7W

I don't think a 120hr forecast can be any closer than that!

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Re: A couple of questions
      #13235 - Sat Sep 20 2003 05:16 PM

Where ya getting data Storm Cooper? I keep looking but keep getting old model runs. Maybe I'm in a PC Time Warp and everything is stuck on just before Isabel's landfall.

Where are my manners...glad your doing okay Mike!!!

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Re: A couple of questions
      #13236 - Sat Sep 20 2003 05:45 PM

http://moe.met.fsu.edu/cyclonephase/

Better site now

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Western gulf
      #13237 - Sat Sep 20 2003 06:05 PM

Does anyone think the area of convection in the western gulf could amount to anything? It sure looks like heavy convection, but I see no signs of a circulation

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Re: Western gulf
      #13238 - Sat Sep 20 2003 06:33 PM

Pressures are still on the high side but I think it is possible. Needs more Cv and hang around over water. Models may not be too bad on this as some hinted to this lask week during the focus on Isabel.
No mention of it in the TWO?

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      #13239 - Sat Sep 20 2003 06:37 PM

It sure looks a little busy but persistance is the key. We are cloudy here in Central Florida and looks like we are getting some trailing clouds from that little mass in the Gulf. It will be interesting to see what becomes of it, if anything.

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Re: Western gulf
      #13241 - Sat Sep 20 2003 07:16 PM

There's a little ball of convection that is starting to flair in the W. GOM, looks better organized than last night or even earlier today. As Mary mentioned in her post we are getting a lot of TS's here from the flow over our area. Had a severe storm a couple of hours ago. Looks like a pattern that will be setting up for a while, here we go again rain and more rain, at least we don't have to water our lawn. So looks like the GOM may have a couple of areas of interest that we need to keep an eye on. Good to see your post Mike, Glad to hear that you weathered the storm OK!

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Re: Western gulf
      #13242 - Sat Sep 20 2003 07:58 PM

Interesting bouy reports the one to the W has dropped 4/100's inch since 1pm wind @ 5knots from the N area to the E the wind @ 15 knots from the E should we continue to see drops like this mght have something going on.Their is that one little flareup that looks like where the action might be.Kimster awesome picture.

correction 4/100's drop in pressure reading the wrong line of data

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CONVECTION
      #13243 - Sat Sep 20 2003 08:49 PM

Convection flaring up in the Gulf and the Atlantic tonight. Persistence is the key. Let's see what happens.

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Re: Western gulf
      #13244 - Sat Sep 20 2003 09:12 PM

Check out the 18Z model run. Looks like some fancy foot work there! Anyone care to comment?

Trying out the URL link, looks like I didn't do it right. Well at least it will open. Maybe I will have better luck next time.


http://moe.met.fsu.edu/cyclonephase/ Model link

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Re: Western gulf
      #13245 - Sat Sep 20 2003 09:23 PM

I had a problem trying to figure out how the sight actually presented it's data.

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Re: Western gulf
      #13246 - Sat Sep 20 2003 09:33 PM

Go the moe..link. It is there, just looked. Yea Toni they are wacking out but picking up on something I think....may be an invest before the weekend is over.....javlin..if you still have problems PM me and I will try to help

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