WeatherNLU
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Emily (I love this storm, my daughter's name is Emily) is really beginning to look like a big girl. I think we will have our second hurricane by late tonight or early tomorrow morning.
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spencercape
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Funny as I thought the mets here went too much with the at times, but in watching the board for over a year, and posting for less than a month, I have been suitably impressed by Clark and most of the others.... Ralph's tensions would more appropriately directed at Bastardi (who might as well be predicting landfall in North Dakota) and at mets (who I believe blindly follow and really do a poor job of thinking on their own. Ex: even when the images were in front of them).
Clark and the other mets here give very valuable opinions and when appropriate alternative theory... and as for the models, I think if you look not just at this year, but over time, you'll find the models all do well under certain situations and poorly under others.. there is NO model that works ALL the time.
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spencercape
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I will probably get slammed for this... but reading statistics like that from Camille should put things in perspective. All you inlanders... God bless you... only have but a trite taste. The "I went through three hurricanes" defense (I am not saying anyone used it just now) is getting a little old. If you went through three, then the truth is, you are probably too inland to complain. Now… of course everyone’s personal experience ultimately defines their reality. No one died in my family, so the family that had someone die in Orlando or Polk county had it considerably worse than I, despite incremental windspeed. Never the less, Cat 1's and 2's, while stressful and certainly destructive, should be virtually cherished.
*emotionally prepares for perhapes the biggest verbal lashing of life*
EDIT: Yeah, that was pressure at landfall.
WELL SAID
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Lysis
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There were some comments yesterday… and you guys need to be real careful about what you say about Joe. I mean… what if the guy is lurking or something? While that is doubtful… he is certainly much more intelligent and much more seasoned than most all of us. A second opinion, even if it is sometimes wrong, is always a good thing.
EDIT: WELL SAID
oh, ... thanks. 
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Edited by Lysis (Wed Jul 13 2005 11:50 PM)
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Storm Cooper
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Lysis, you do make a valid point. I also see valid points of reference to what Allison and some others are saying. Lets not let this become a back and forth match however. Damage and wind speeds are one thing but how one deals with the damage, etc is another. Sure a Cat 3 at the coast is probably way different far inland, but then remember and the tornados that came along.
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spencercape
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Lysis....
I don't really care if he's lurking.... I do know that he's a degreed met, that he's worked at Accuweather for many years and moved up through the ranks to senior status, and I know he's GOT to be very good at what he does in order to achieve that.
I do think, however, he's now at a point where his continued "rise" will now be accomplished through gaining more attention, and the way he's going about it is stepping out on a limb (predicting things others wouldn't), creating "controversy" and generally grandstanding/overacting. So, for me, it's hard to take him seriously any longer.
I don't question his experience and abilities whatsoever, I just question his motives at this point.
And I don't think I am alone.
EDIT:Like I said: It's his methods I question, not his experience.... and the people here who are negative about _________ (fill in the blank) either don't understand or just like to stir the pot. The mets here are just as good (or better) than Joe, than anyone at , and certainly any of us amateurs.
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Edited by spencercape (Thu Jul 14 2005 12:06 AM)
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Lysis
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Exactly Storm Cooper... it is all relative. And that means that if we were more fortunate than others, we need to not complain. It is ok to tell a story... or even boast sometimes (look at my sig). But never use any storm as an excuse or to gain respect.
EDIT: Fair... but people were just over the top yesterday. The fact is, it would be an honor for him to "lurk" here... and people were making fun of him as a person and not as a meteorologist.
EDIT II: and just to point out... I have no idea if Joe Bastardi is lurking here or not. He probably isn't. I just said that, so don't run with it.
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Edited by Lysis (Thu Jul 14 2005 12:00 AM)
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twizted sizter
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Ask the people in Hardee & Desoto counties if they felt the effects of were only a "trite taste".
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Lysis
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Pm me if you have a problem with what I said, as I would be happy to talk to you about it (really! ) ... I don't want to jack the main thread.
EDIT: ...especially now that Storm Coopers pulled out the red ink. Ouch.
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Edited by Lysis (Thu Jul 14 2005 12:19 AM)
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Storm Cooper
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This has to stop now. Everyone understands where I am coming from I think.
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richisurfs
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My question about Joe Bastardi would be this: Does he really believe, deep in his heart, in what he is forecasting? You know peoples lives are at stake here and to be honest I will never make a decision based on what some renegade weatherman has to say...I dont care how many degrees he has. As far as I'm concerned ,and Im saying this knowing that I am a total layman , his forecasts are a joke to me. I can't believe as many people defend him as they do. I ,for the life of me, don't see what is so wrong with following what the says. You want to bring up ? I'll tell you cone of error...it's there for a reason. EVERYONE down there should have been prepared. As has been said about a million times, a hurricane is not a thin line or a point. Can anyone here tell me they don't think the is trying to serve the people out there by giving the best, most accurate forecast that they can? don't you think they know the responsibility they have? i don't think joe bastardi realizes the one he has.... or is this some kind of competition to see whos right? I will say this ,i have alot of confidence in the 's forecasts and I have the most respect for the meteorologists who post on this site but I have neither for Joe Bastardi. Oh, and i hope hes lurking
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Girlnascar
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This discussion is really ticking me off....how does one person know the "trite" level from one person to another. Well heck how about throwing in the Xenia Ohio killer tornadoes in this pot, how would my trite 3 hit hurricane season from 2004 plus, tornadoes fit in the trite definition.
PS you probably won't post this but venting!
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Lysis
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the basartdi reference was low, man. You are totally right with . Of course he totaly believes it. That is what bieng a strong met and sticking to your guns (but not afraid to admit when you are wrong) is all about! I think the reasoning behind Joe is that he wants to remain consistent which, (regardless of the excellent job that they pulled off with ) the is sometimes not so good at. Just like he was visually showing us the other day... it is all balance. The beauty of it is... if you don't like Joe, you can always stick with the .
EDIT: Now I am sorry I posted that. Girlnascar... listen to storm cooper, you will. Lest you invoke the wrath of the red ink.
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Storm Cooper
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OK. As I have said I really can see everyones point but this is getting out of hand and becoming personal between some. Thus it shall end here. If you have issues with someone on the board use the PM feature, otherwise lets change the direction of this now.
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richisurfs
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If you are referring to "********" that was a typo..i editted it as soon as i saw it
Edited by Storm Cooper (Thu Jul 14 2005 12:31 AM)
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stormchazer
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So.....how about this systems out there in the Atlantic?
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SkeetoBite
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Please move these conversations to the private message system or it will be necessary to clear this entire thread.
We have storms to track and debate, not the merits of weather professionals. If you weren't aware, a strong tropical storm is making landfall in the windward islands and looks very impressive on the WATL-IR4 loop. Let's talk about that.
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tpratch
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Wait, you mean there are storms in the Atlantic? When did this start happening?
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angelswatch
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Is it likely that Emily could go between the Yucatan and Cuba and into the Gulf ?
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